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A game cannot succeed unless it constantly can bring new players in it. Because no matter how hardcore the top 5% is, they are a small number and will also lose interest in the game at a slower rate but still leave the game. Thus you need to get more people in it to keep the community alive
This is exactly why Blizzard only wants you to have 1 rank for each matchup. If you had 3 other spots (random, race 1, race 2) that would increase a different type of smurfing and make it impossible for new players to even have fun.
Its not just Blizzard, look what Epic did with Gears of War 3, if you never played a GoW game you are put in special servers where its all new people, then you "graduate" and play with the rest of the GoW3 population.
Multiplayer is very important because it means people wont trade their games in (this dosent apply to most PC games however), they also buy the DLC. But in order to get people to play and even importantly KEEP playing their multiplayer they need to have a system where the newbs are protected and not thrown to the sharks.
Blizzard figures (and i happen to agree) that its much better for the hardcore 5-10% of the population who actually care about their rank to simply "suck it up" than to have a massive portion of potentially customers to get rolled in multiplayer by Plat, Diamond and Masters players. Its simply not worth it for Blizzard to change it when it will have massive consequences.
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10. i want one to practise 4 gate, one to play macro games and one to play exclusively while jerking off
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If anything we'd need an unranked ladder option.
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On October 13 2011 07:58 Excalibur_Z wrote:
I wish people would stop suggesting "unranked ladder" because it's a terrible idea. The ladder thrives and frankly survives through an active playerbase. The minute an "unranked ladder" appears, the actual ladder loses a lot of players who would rather choose a less stressful gametype than contribute to the overall health of the system. Blizzard will never do it for exactly that reason, because it hurts everyone in the long run.
I'd agree with this. People just need to realise that having your 1v1 gold/plat/diamond badge with 1 match played is pretty meaningless. I'm kinda sympathetic to those who want to off-race. The way I'd suggest doing it is to let players split off another ladder ranking whenever they offrace. They'd start with the same MMR as their original, as this would be a more realistic approach. A masters Zerg who switches to Terran or Toss will still perform a lot better than someone who starts SC2 as those races.
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I don't play SC2 anymore but I certainly would if I could play on the ladder with other races. I don't want to ruin my current account masters zerg because I feel it is an accomplishment for myself to get to that level, coming from nothing. Games dead until HOTS for me..
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I thought that a smurf account would solve my anxiety, so i bought one.
I have played very little on my smurf, and i started playing some random games, then i stuck to terran on it (i main zerg) but the same anxiety happened there, and it felt like a waste of time because i could be practising my main race.
Now i just force myself to play atleast 3 games a day, and i often play more! Works for me. got the concept from dayJ
On topic, i would still love to have multiple ranks, but i honestly don't want to play protoss, and i can afford to support blizzard in buying the terran account!
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No unranked ladders. No extra ladders for each race.
You play the game and you take the wins and losses like a man what you are.
If you try a new tactic and lose with it you lose. There's no excuses about it.
If there were more ladders it would make searching times longer and in the end no one would play seriously in the unranked ladder.
When you start to fear your rank dropping and when you quit laddering because of the fear of losing you're worse player than any bronze scrub who plays the game enjoying it.
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If i would be sure i wanted to stay on the other race for a while, sure, but if i would just want to try out another race it would end up in 20 pointless losses where i would only learn that others can beat me by bashing their head on the keyboard, then me switching back and getting 20 boring faceroll wins.
I have 3 accounts, 1 for each race.
My Z is mid Diamond
My T is high Platinum
My P is low Platinum
I think 1 ranking for each Race would be the best choice with random not as own race (so 3 in total), i don't care much though as another account is not too expensive and you can still lend it to friends on LAN parties or to make them try the game in the first place.
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Where's the source of the active player base in 1v1 dwindling? I'd like some back up or source for this since my perception is different.
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The biggest problems with the ladder is that your MMR is fixed to your race. My Terran is pretty decent (high diamond) but once i switched to Zerg for a week i tanked at least 20 games straight before i had won a single one (note for some reason i can't explain as Terran i get to play pretty much only TvP and TvT, as Zerg i had a series of 10 ZvZs straight, but that is another discussion).
So what can i do? i can either stick to one race exclusively, or buy a new account for Zerg. Frankly i'd prefer if Blizzard allowed us two ladder IDs for 1v1 so we can offrace without buying smurfs, but it isn't profitable for them, so i think it won't happen.
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One account is fine, but there should be seperate rankings for each race you play. I believe this is how it was done in WC3FT. I know I win a lot with z, but lose a lot with p and t.. but I also have over 5000 games on this account.. problem is I win with z, get high in my division, then play t and p to have fun.. and lose. If I had a rank for each race it would probably be diamond/masters for z, platinum for t, and gold for p... as it stands now, I am in low diamond, high platinum because my terran and protoss hold me back.. will i stop playing them? never.. would i prefer seperate rankings? Absolutely.. and so would the ppl I play as zerg after a stint of losing with the other two races 
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I would like to have a ladder ranking for each race, I've always played Protoss and I'd like to start practicing a new race but i'd get owned in a second if I were to use the ladder to do it.
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I get annoyed being forced to play my main race all the time, I am low masters, I can't offrace ever because the risk of getting demoted is too big for me, and getting back into masters is not as easy as other leagues.
An unranked ladder sounds like a dumb idea, but I don't see what the harm is in allowing other people to offrace and truely find what race fits best for them.
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4 ranks would be the best i feel. So when you pick your race the points MMR etc are only effected for that race.
The only way i can see blizzard implementing this (perhaps in HoTS) is for the MMR of every race to be set as whatever your current MMR is. So effectivly you are in same possition as you are now but once they implement it your race MMR changes for each of the races depending on your performance
i.e.
My MMR = 1000 now
After race MMR is brought in
Z = 1000
P = 1000
T = 1000
R = 1000
After 1 week
Z = 1200 (I main as Z and win most of my games, MMR goes up)
P = 900 (I off race as P, MMR goes down a bit)
T = 500 (My T sucks and i lose a load of games, MMR drops)
R = 1000 (I don't play random, MMR stays the same)
Get to it Blizzard! 
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It would be nice with multiple profiles in that you can just make one and mess around. But I think this would actually hurt the ladder and sc2 long term. More cheese, unserious play. Why not do this in custom games?
In the end of the day this is just another ladder fear tread. And imo ladder fear will allways be a part of sc2. Its a competative game, where you put yourself up against another player. Man to man. Some guys cant handle this, but it is this way in life as well.
Im not saying that bm would completely disappare, cause thats not the case I think, but alot of the guys bm'ing game after game on ladder is the ones that will eventually quit, either out of fear or they find out this game is not for them. Or they turn to hacking. These are the guys ruining the ladder experience anyway.
I have no fear that sc2 will lose so many players that eventually noone will ladder. The game is just too good for that, and new players with the guts, winner instinct and will to play is still discovering this game. While alot of players is playing team games and custom games casually, and there is a constantly increasing number of people watching streams of big events, even though the number of peoole on the 1v1 ladder has decreased this past year.
I think its nothing to worry about.
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Unranked and ranked at the most. The moment you give people two ranked ladders they'll piss about cheesing on one and ruin the gme for those who want to play seriously. One of the main achievements of SC2 over BW is the availability of bronze leaguers to come in and ladder against people of their OWN SKILL rather than people smurfing.
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Yep totally agree. I want to offrace 1v1 but have no place to do it. In custom games I grossly outmatch my opponent or its the other way around..its too bad. I could not take my 1v1 seriously, but then when I play my main race I would never improve because it'd be ridiculously easy to win.
On October 13 2011 21:54 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
The only way i can see blizzard implementing this (perhaps in HoTS) is for the MMR of every race to be set as whatever your current MMR is. So effectivly you are in same possition as you are now but once they implement it your race MMR changes for each of the races depending on your performance
My MMR = 1000 now
After race MMR is brought in
Z = 1000
P = 1000
T = 1000
R = 1000
After 1 week
Z = 1200 (I main as Z and win most of my games, MMR goes up)
P = 900 (I off race as P, MMR goes down a bit)
T = 500 (My T sucks and i lose a load of games, MMR drops)
R = 1000 (I don't play random, MMR stays the same)
I like this! I think that for obvious reasons though, only the race with highest MMR should give you points. Otherwise there would be some serious abuse.
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On October 13 2011 22:44 Steel wrote:
Yep totally agree. I want to offrace 1v1 but have no place to do it..
You have 2 extra accounts, what you talkin bout Jake
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