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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 13 2011 09:16 GMT
#221
3 imo, one for each race. If you play random, it should randomly choose which one of your three possible ladder ranks to be used depending on which race was randomed.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
October 13 2011 09:30 GMT
#222
I think its ridiculous that we only have one unless we BUY another account, id love to try leanring Zerg and Terran but havent the time to start on my main account lose constantly for like 30-50 games then start. I basically know wot to do in msot matchuops just need to learn the mechanics of each race, but I also want to be abel to play as Protoss agaisnt GOOD players ant not bad players when I drop down the leagues...

I think we should be able to 1v1 with 3-4 different leagues for other races but no more. THis would also benefit people who have Protoss very high but want tot ry different strategeis out on another account. I know people will say about smurfing etc but you can only smurf for so long? And as long as they dont let you have unlimited accounts like wc3 and sc1 it shouldnt be a problem.
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
October 13 2011 09:42 GMT
#223
I like the idea, is like to play random for fun sometimes. But with my main mmr I get slaughtered if I spawn as anything else as terran haha
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Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
October 13 2011 09:49 GMT
#224
Its definitely an interesting idea, and I'd love to see what levels all 3 of my races are (I play random). My only concern would be that it would be quite hard to track multiple MMRs per accounts, plus it may cause an unnatural inflation of player numbers and leagues, as people will be spread pretty thin

Also, finding ranked matches for randoms may be weird. I know I'm speaking for the minority here, but say my Terran is Diamond, but my Toss is Gold. If i sign up as random, how do you find an opponent for me?

I love the idea, but there are problems with it in practice
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babishh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada965 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 10:00:03
October 13 2011 09:59 GMT
#225
they won't allow multiple ranked 1v1 accounts on a single copy of the game because it will also easily bring sharing of the unused accounts, so that people, instead of buying the game, will have game lended by a friend and play on his. for example i would never use the terran only account, cause i suck with terran and i have no interest in getting stomped by bronze players. i'm playing zerg on custom games cause i want to learn mechanics and everything, when i'll feel comfortable i'll go for the ladder (atm i'm diamond with protoss).

sure i would like more accounts, but i just don't see that possible and i can understand why.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3453 Posts
October 13 2011 10:08 GMT
#226
I'm actually so upset by this one 1v1 ladder pr. acc. thing.
If i want to play freely as in any other normal game, in sc2 i would have to buy 1 acc for each continent x 4, for each race.
I'm currently aware that there's a NA, EU, SEA, KOR, Chinese; battlegroup.

If i would want to play any race or everywhere i wanted, i would then have to buy 20 accounts.
That sucks..
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julius33
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Estonia79 Posts
October 13 2011 10:14 GMT
#227
Unranked ladder isnt a ladder at all since your not going anywhere. Stop being a wussy and ladder, the stress will go away with a couple games. FFS
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[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 10:26:23
October 13 2011 10:21 GMT
#228
On October 13 2011 07:24 ChroMaTe_ wrote:
There should just be an unranked 1v1 "ladder" period.
This would dry out the ranked ladder as most guys would used the unranked match making to practice and only go to ranked ladder when they feel ready.

The OP is right if he discusses multiple 1v1 ladders where all are ranked.


On October 13 2011 07:20 willoc wrote:
Personally, I would like to see 2 1v1 rankings (in my case: 1 main, 1 fun).
I don't like this idea because you obviously need to decide before you start the match. If you get a win you may be wanted to have this count to your serious ladder points. In the end, the real ladder would be used less, making them less relevant, too, due to the smaller sample size.

However I would like to get more statistics: Race win ratios compared to overall win ratio, map win ratios and so on. On the other hand, many guys would misuse the data because they overrate the value of statistics based on a very small sample size.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 10:38:13
October 13 2011 10:34 GMT
#229
Hmm hmmm... Related thing is: You know how annoying it is to take your MMR from platinium to master? It's legit games for days or 6pool alot.
Now you may say that just play and learn, but there is huge difference in playing someone who you may have 50% winratio and someone who you just outmacro and mass hydras against tanks.

This is a bit ofcourse my fault because I've practiced a ton outside of ladder but it feels a lot work just to get MMR somewhere so it would be fun to play ladder. Sure it's maybe 20 6pool for me to go into masters but compared to log in/out 20 times to find ZvT diamond player and asking from TL channel...

Yeah I will do it someday but this should be possible to avoid with custom games and seperate ladder for each race, so when I play offrace I don't get my MMR too low for no reason and when I switch to main race I roflstomp next 2 days.

e: Ever had friends account for whatever reason and permission to play on it? Don't you think that feeling was awesome to have 2 account with seperate MMR?
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sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
October 13 2011 10:56 GMT
#230
should be unlimited like in BW, or at least, 1 for each race + 1 for random.
HeavyWeapons
Profile Joined October 2010
50 Posts
October 13 2011 10:59 GMT
#231
This fear of losing points / getting demoted seems exaggerated since you are not gaining anything ( unless you're a pro or a good streamer) from maintaining your place in let's say, masters. You can play your new race at the appropriate level and when you decide to go back you will naturally advance.

You know how annoying it is to take your MMR from platinium to master? It's legit games for days or 6pool alot.

Why do you need to be in master at all points in time ? If you are below your true MMR then you should be winning a lot and having a blast on your way back.
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merlin101
Profile Joined July 2010
Switzerland194 Posts
October 13 2011 11:05 GMT
#232
So people basicly are saying they want a ladder with MMR but without displaying any data? No Wins no Losses no League just Games against equal MMR-People?
Carmine
Profile Joined September 2010
United States263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 11:32:19
October 13 2011 11:25 GMT
#233
They could just add an MMR matching option to custom games.

Edit: While I wouldn't see a problem with the MMR matched custom games, I really think this whole thing is a non-issue. Either play custom games or play ladder to be ranked. The ladder fearers are ridiculous. Ladder doesn't even matter unless you are in GM or something. If you get good enough you should care about entering tournaments. All the platinums and diamonds that are afraid to ladder because they will lose their rank are kind of ridiculous. I think in the near future there will be a lot of these type of people that stop playing all together.
Terran was created third, with purity of tanks.
sergedelacalle
Profile Joined March 2011
France24 Posts
October 13 2011 11:40 GMT
#234
There should be an option to play custom games with random players, like a real 1v1.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
October 13 2011 11:41 GMT
#235
Wouldn't mind two
I play Random, I like Protoss and Terran but hate Zerg
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Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 11:48:34
October 13 2011 11:45 GMT
#236
On October 13 2011 19:08 ejozl wrote:
I'm actually so upset by this one 1v1 ladder pr. acc. thing.
If i want to play freely as in any other normal game, in sc2 i would have to buy 1 acc for each continent x 4, for each race.
I'm currently aware that there's a NA, EU, SEA, KOR, Chinese; battlegroup.

If i would want to play any race or everywhere i wanted, i would then have to buy 20 accounts.
That sucks..


You can play any race you want! You are free to play custom games until you are satisfied with your skill with a particular race, although i recommend ladder only because custom games are usually played for 'fun' by most people. I personally switched from terran to zerg after a 4 month break and tanked 14 games in a row and got demoted from diamond to plat. This season i got back into diamond as zerg which is my only race.

Point is; people should stop crying about separate ladders and just play on one account! Smurfing was a problem in starcraft and i'm glad blizzard has stopped this by having a 1 account per person policy. I'm not saying that blizzard's decision wasn't financially motivated, but the side effect of this change is that smurfing is prevented unless you buy extra accounts.

I don't understand why people are worried about their e-peen ladder rating. In 20 years time when most of us are married, people will think...

"why the hell was i such a noob worrying about playing ladder and getting crippling ladder fear when i was a kid"

"why didn't i just press the quick match button and play as many games i wanted when sc2 was in it's prime so i could see what my actual skill level was instead of daydreaming of theorycrafting what my potential was"


In short, GROW A PAIR!
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
October 13 2011 11:49 GMT
#237
On October 13 2011 19:14 julius33 wrote:
Unranked ladder isnt a ladder at all since your not going anywhere. Stop being a wussy and ladder, the stress will go away with a couple games. FFS


completely misses the point - if you want to try something new, you WILL lose for a while...that's pretty much a fact; now if you could do that without losing your rank it would be way easier to experiment

the current system discourages innovative play and encourages copying all-in-builds you've seen in replays; simple as that
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Chaves
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Brazil315 Posts
October 13 2011 11:52 GMT
#238
Dont wanna get ban or anything, but i need to say this: Be a man, its not so hard, come on.


First of all, if you wanna practice a litle bit a new race, play custom games or against AI, there you ll learn basics mechanics of each race and basic builds ... stop being such a pussy ... or stop playing and we ll all thank for it we wont need to read such a strange topic ...

So, if you drop leagues at our ladder rank, what ll happen? nothing you ar not a professional, you wont get any less money for that, you mom wont die. SO STOP COMPLAINING OR BEIN A AFRAID OF THE LADDER THIS IS A GAME, ITS MAKE TO BE FUN AND COMPETITIVE, IF YOU CANT HANDLE WITH THAT, GO PLAY DOLL! i mean, with dolls xD
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
October 13 2011 11:52 GMT
#239
One for each race would be the best of course! 4 would be optimal.

Having only 1 is a joke. I had to buy a new game to have a 1v1 random account, because i still wanted to be able to play with people my own level as terran on my regular account. Switching around would be silly =/.

But then again I'm dumbfounded that their is no clan support and the likes. I fcking hate new B.net seriously, still play WC3 with friends just because the ''new'' create/join custom game features are so shitty.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
October 13 2011 11:55 GMT
#240
On October 13 2011 07:24 Hoodlum wrote:
I think it should be unlimited like it was in brood war, I don't see the point in limiting it other then putting money in the pockets of blizzard


cause then everyone smurfs ladder means a shit you hit best gosus on low levels who want "100-0" stats etc
its rly rly bad trust me ... and it was HORRIBLE in broodwar at the first month every season (iccup as example)
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