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ambrosiaa
Singapore333 Posts
On October 13 2011 12:53 FlamingTurd wrote: There should definitely be more than 1 ranked option for sure. That's all it comes down to. Only reason not to is purely profit. No. Definitely no. | ||
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Joytoyou
United States17 Posts
I feel these two comments below help to express the issues a lot of people are having with the 1v1 ladder. Regardless of how you individually feel, I believe these comments express the concerns of a lot of the people who have stopped 1v1s or only do very few games: On October 13 2011 08:13 Snaphoo wrote: Why I Want Unranked Ladder: - So I can try new builds or strategies against people of my own level without being punished with demotion in the early stages of trying to get a grasp on play. - A way to train when I'm a bit rusty that's less random than Custom (A silver Zerg or a Masters Protoss? Don't know til you queue one up!). I want an unranked ladder so that I can play against people of my skill level. Basically I would play against people with my MMR, but it wouldn't go up or down with losses or wins. If I'm winning lots of unranked games, I'll go back to ranked ladder because I know I'm ready. - You may not like it, but look at the declining activity among vast numbers of players who still like the game or play team games, but stay far away from 1v1. It would revitalize ladder as people could see where they stand on the unranked ladder and then start playing ranked ladder again. - It would make the game more accessible to noobs/people embarrassed of losing or afraid of being demoted if they haven't played for awhile or are on a cold streak. [Joytoyou's bolding] - Analogy: There are very good people in League of Legends. They play new champions (similar to offracing) in unranked games, often, and then when they feel comfortable go back into Ranked games with those chars. - REBUTTAL: It would not destroy MMR. People would keep playing on ladder just like always, it's just that there would be a shadow ladder alongside it. ~~~ Note the bold text, I can hear the voices of many of the vanished 1v1-er's in this statement. I will analyze this more after combining it with the quote below ~~~ On October 13 2011 08:44 pt wrote: --- Pretty sure what you can see in peoples' profiles is the thing that is scaring them. [Joytoyou's bolding] ~~~ My Analysis These two parts of the two quotes above seem to summarize a lot of people's emotions and reasons for not laddering 1v1. - It would make the game more accessible to noobs/people embarrassed of losing or afraid of being demoted if they haven't played for awhile or are on a cold streak. [Joytoyou's bolding] Pretty sure what you can see in peoples' profiles is the thing that is scaring them.[/QUOTE] [Joytoyou's bolding] I would like to pose these questions 1. Is there a way to not feel embarrassed at losing or afraid of being demoted? Then the ladder system 1v1 would not be so stressful. 2. What if people had the option of HIDING THEIR PROFILE INFORMATION. Would this cause more people to want to ladder, feeling more secure that whether they lose or win, no one will know the details? Isn't it embarrassing when people KNOW you are on a losing streak? Anyone have any thoughts on my two questions enumerated above? | ||
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Snackysnacks
United States411 Posts
On October 13 2011 12:51 ambrosiaa wrote: [Meanin the gold players? The lowest league is bronze, and then what? All this does is make impossible for new, genuine players to practice on the ladder with the amount of smurfers around. Look, I have two friends who dont play anymore, there's nothing that stops me from throwing games on those accounts to smurf on it. The only difference between having multiple rankings on a account than this is blizzard having extra profit, and the slight convience of smurfing. Then again, if you were serious on protecting the ranking of your main race, wouldnt people be trying to get a good rank on thier offrace? Riddle me that. | ||
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
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OblivionMage
Canada377 Posts
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Diversify
Canada30 Posts
By your own league and league above you, I mean, for example, if you are gold you can choose to face other gold unrank ladders as well as any league above you. With that said, they should just have 1 ladder rank for all regions, or per region and have a top 1000 with combined regions. Something like that is what I would like to see. I would ladder my ass off all day long. On both ladders. One to practice and refine, the other to execute and move up the rankings. Edit: this could be seen as a bad idea, but for the unranked, it should also show your win/loses as well as allow you to renew it. But only allow renews once a month or something along those lines. I know a lot of people like to have "high ratios" even in something that is unranked. But when people see your profile, you feel like you're impressing someone... maybe. This also boosts ladder usage. The only real problem i see with this idea is that, it could replace the ranked ladder completely, but they can prevent that by making 1 ranking for the world or per region as i stated above. Even in the most casual games like console shooters, everyone want high K:D as well as to see their ranking among the world. This can be said about Starcraft 2 as well. No idea why blizzard thought the way they did it was more casual friendly. The whole point of ladder is to measure yourself against the best, not randoms in random divisions that means nothing. Oh and it should use MMR ratings in the ladder ranking, not ladder points. | ||
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Enhancer_
Canada320 Posts
Splitting the player pool into an unranked ladder (how can it be a ladder if it's unranked even?) makes even less sense to me. | ||
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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
I have two accounts, I play my second account after a long break from 1v1 (caused by my University schedule being busy/not busy depending on the months). I play enough on the second account to get my skill level back to where it was before I took the break, then switch to my main. Works well because I don't lower my main's MMR by playing poorly on it for that initial period on my return. | ||
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Ryukku
Singapore545 Posts
But the whole point of the ladder is to have competition. With competition comes stress and "embarassment". Blizzard wanted SC2 to be an esport and they wont change the ladder system because it breeds competition. Blizz is changing each season to a duration of 2 months. This should help as your shitty record only lasts for 2 months now. =D Even though im all for a system that allows offracing without compromising my main ladder rank, it is at best a futile dream. The ladder system is here to stay, the most blizz can do is help reduce the stress you feel when u lose, which they have alrdy been doing. | ||
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
The idea of an unranked custom game ladder or whatever is fine | ||
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ambrosiaa
Singapore333 Posts
On October 13 2011 13:02 Snackysnacks wrote: Look, I have two friends who dont play anymore, there's nothing that stops me from throwing games on those accounts to smurf on it. The only difference between having multiple rankings on a account than this is blizzard having extra profit, and the slight convience of smurfing. Then again, if you were serious on protecting the ranking of your main race, wouldnt people be trying to get a good rank on thier offrace? Riddle me that. How is it in anyway slight when everyone has access to it? Seriously I don't really know what you're talking about. What the hell does the rank of your offrace have to do with the rank of your main race? As I said, many people will be using their extra account to do stupid shit on gold league like mass marines or mass queens on and humiliate their opponent when theyre bored on their mains. | ||
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
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Joytoyou
United States17 Posts
Absolutely love your post XXXSmOke ! Sounds great to me  On October 13 2011 09:58 XXXSmOke wrote: I dont get how people who are Diamond and below can have ladder fear, Blizz completely took away your loss amount when ppl check your profile. Theres no way to tell if you have something embarassing like a 150-170 record. Master level sucks sometimes cuz going 20-30 for the world to see sucks and you always end getting raged at a million times because if you beat anybody you instantly get a message "HAHAH FUCKING NEWB 20-30 I KNEW YOU WERE TRASH!. Allowing people to create new accounts would be a trainwreck........ If you think you have ladder fear now wait till all you golds get matched all day long with Master players who are smurfing there new accounts. I think the solution is simple. fix the custom game system...... literaaly just go back to wc3 and BW format, how fucking hard is that blizz?/ I want all of you ladder fearer's to think of this scenario You come from work, your tired/exhausted you really want to play SC2 but hell you dont wnat to ladder and lose ranked games BECAUSE you have a life. You go to chat channels and try find a game but that takes forever and can be very ineffective. Now imagine You go to custom games and Blizz adds in a new category called "User Title or something of that manner and in the list you see.... 1v1 Xel Naga Caverns Master Only 1v1 Metaloplis Gold Only etc you join the game and GUESS WHAT???? THE GAME does not fucking AUTOSTART the host actually STARTS THE GAME. ALSO guess what theres no popularity on this feature either! so everyones map goes in order of creation and you can easily skim through everyboys lobby. What if a gold joins a master only game? host checks profile and kicks you. No need for smurf accounts No need for an unranked ladder that will ruin regular ladder A system that has worked 10 FUCKING years for BW and wc3. Simple? I think so. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
I have even paid cash just to achieve basically this. I am by NO means wealthy at all and I have like 5 copies of this game because of either desire to different serves or desire for a new ranked tracking in the ladder. Its awful that it takes that. :/ | ||
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Champi
1422 Posts
but i also like the idea of having a ranked ladder for each race option too, so that your main race's ladder is your so called "serious" one, and you can muck around and improve yourself with your other races and matchups without affecting your MMR on the ladder with your main race. | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
edit: but you would have to make it so only can get in GM or something. | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
On October 13 2011 13:57 Joytoyou wrote: Hahahaha Absolutely love your post XXXSmOke ! Sounds great to me at first i thought the guy you quoted was trying to make you feel silly for not laddering. because really, there's no difference between playing in 'masters only' custom games and laddering (if you're masters) your rank win/loss only matters if -you- want it to matter. for me losing sucks regardless if it's done in customs or ladder. In fact, I hate losing in customs even MORE because there's usually people watching. but i do kind of miss the old custom game browser. | ||
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
Thankfully i'm from SEA so i have an account on both SEA and US servers. So at the moment i use my SEA account as a practice account. However i would prefer if i didn't have to do this. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
Honestly, I hate playing a game, winning, and finding out the person I just played against does NOTHING but 1v1. I almost feel sorry for them... almost. If you don't enjoy the "stress" you feel when playing 1v1 and you play the game for fun, then just don't 1v1. Having a rank for every day of the week won't matter if your heart feels like it's going to explode after 1 game. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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