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On October 13 2011 09:56 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
The only problem with multiple accounts is that they would break the league system in place. GM wouldn't be top 200 it could be top 196 with the last 4 being some gosu. There would need to be a rule set where you can't have multiple accounts in the same division and can't have multiple accounts in GM.
sadly.... this already happens... you can see people(not mega gosus but just stream cheaters and stuff) like deezer whit multiple GM accounts so its not like its a new thing.
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On October 13 2011 09:54 ReignFayth wrote:
an unranked ladder that takes ur MMR into account where you can actually pick the Match up you want to practice would be great
Thats a pretty cool idea. I imagine something along the lines playing customs games but having the option to specify playing players that match your mmr.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2011 09:58 XXXSmOke wrote:
I dont get how people who are Diamond and below can have ladder fear, Blizz completely took away your loss amount when ppl check your profile. Theres no way to tell if you have something embarassing like a 150-170 record. Master level sucks sometimes cuz going 20-30 for the world to see sucks and you always end getting raged at a million times because if you beat anybody you instantly get a message "HAHAH FUCKING NEWB 20-30 I KNEW YOU WERE TRASH!.
Allowing people to create new accounts would be a trainwreck........ If you think you have ladder fear now wait till all you golds get matched all day long with Master players who are smurfing there new accounts.
I think the solution is simple. fix the custom game system...... literaaly just go back to wc3 and BW format, how fucking hard is that blizz?/
I want all of you ladder fearer's to think of this scenario
You come from work, your tired/exhausted you really want to play SC2 but hell you dont wnat to ladder and lose ranked games BECAUSE you have a life. You go to chat channels and try find a game but that takes forever and can be very ineffective.
Now imagine
You go to custom games and Blizz adds in a new category called "User Title or something of that manner and in the list you see....
1v1 Xel Naga Caverns Master Only
1v1 Metaloplis Gold Only
etc
you join the game and GUESS WHAT???? THE GAME does not fucking AUTOSTART the host actually STARTS THE GAME.
ALSO guess what theres no popularity on this feature either! so everyones map goes in order of creation and you can easily skim through everyboys lobby.
What if a gold joins a master only game? host checks profile and kicks you.
No need for smurf accounts
No need for an unranked ladder that will ruin regular ladder
A system that has worked 10 FUCKING years for BW and wc3.
Simple? I think so.
i think you should read tortoise's post back a page...
you might not like or understand why some people act the way they do + ladder very modestly, but that doesn't make it completely right for you to look down on them... and it doesn't mean that they don't care entirely for how they're doing, how they're improving, or what their actual record is like.
the very same people who have ladder fear may very well come to crush you one day
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Stop being girls and realise its an artificial numbers not your SAT score. Chill the fuck out and play some ladder.
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blizzard will never ever ever ever do this tho, the fact that they've already made a killing in sales off of sc2 they'll never allow for multiple solo accounts on one account when they know most people will cave and just buy another copy eventually that actually care about their ranking
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On October 13 2011 10:10 nanaoei wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2011 09:58 XXXSmOke wrote:
I dont get how people who are Diamond and below can have ladder fear, Blizz completely took away your loss amount when ppl check your profile. Theres no way to tell if you have something embarassing like a 150-170 record. Master level sucks sometimes cuz going 20-30 for the world to see sucks and you always end getting raged at a million times because if you beat anybody you instantly get a message "HAHAH FUCKING NEWB 20-30 I KNEW YOU WERE TRASH!.
Allowing people to create new accounts would be a trainwreck........ If you think you have ladder fear now wait till all you golds get matched all day long with Master players who are smurfing there new accounts.
I think the solution is simple. fix the custom game system...... literaaly just go back to wc3 and BW format, how fucking hard is that blizz?/
I want all of you ladder fearer's to think of this scenario
You come from work, your tired/exhausted you really want to play SC2 but hell you dont wnat to ladder and lose ranked games BECAUSE you have a life. You go to chat channels and try find a game but that takes forever and can be very ineffective.
Now imagine
You go to custom games and Blizz adds in a new category called "User Title or something of that manner and in the list you see....
1v1 Xel Naga Caverns Master Only
1v1 Metaloplis Gold Only
etc
you join the game and GUESS WHAT???? THE GAME does not fucking AUTOSTART the host actually STARTS THE GAME.
ALSO guess what theres no popularity on this feature either! so everyones map goes in order of creation and you can easily skim through everyboys lobby.
What if a gold joins a master only game? host checks profile and kicks you.
No need for smurf accounts
No need for an unranked ladder that will ruin regular ladder
A system that has worked 10 FUCKING years for BW and wc3.
Simple? I think so. i think you should read tortoise's post back a page... you might not like or understand why some people act the way they do + ladder very modestly, but that doesn't make it completely right for you to look down on them... and it doesn't mean that they don't care entirely for how they're doing, how they're improving, or what their actual record is like.
Regardless of that, (I guess i might of come off a bit hard) The main point is that a HUGE step in the right direction is so easy to do by Blizzard thats what pisses me off. A more effcient custom game system would help so many of these people afraid to ladder.
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On October 13 2011 10:00 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:54 ReignFayth wrote:
an unranked ladder that takes ur MMR into account where you can actually pick the Match up you want to practice would be great Thats a pretty cool idea. I imagine something along the lines playing customs games but having the option to specify playing players that match your mmr.
An MMR-based matchup search ladder would the best thing ever for practicing. There's so many times you want to practice a build for a specific matchup but can't because you don't have friends online that are both the correct race and your skill level.
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No point in laddering if everyone can be represented 4 times, the top positions will be hogged by people who off-race the best while those who don't off-race will only see 1 spot in the ladder, lame.
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"Serious rank"? I dont really find anything serious about 3v3s 
As long as I can spam find game button and opponents which are of equal skill or better pop up I'm happy with the ladder  , maybe MMR per race would be cool but Im not sure of I like the idea of choosing your matchup.
I love how the ladder provides you with direct results pleasant or not, tho imo if you are going to take take your ladder results seriously you have to play quite a few games to make stupid loses of games you could have won less meaningful within the stats (same with wins I suppose).
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The only way I'd ever vote for "1 main and 1 for fun" is that if if you're on your "fun laddering mode" you're only matched up with other people who are also in "fun laddering mode."
Otherwise, it's a horrible idea.
(I voted for 1 for each race.)
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I would totally love to learn how to play as Terran or Zerg, but I don't feel like throwing away my ladder progress as Protoss, and I'm not going to buy a new account.
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On October 13 2011 08:39 xOff wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 08:13 Snaphoo wrote:On October 13 2011 08:07 xOff wrote:
Why the hell do you want an unranked ladder? If your goal it to be getting better you should be playing against people of your skill level. If the ranking next to your name scares you that much put a sticky note over it so you don't have to see it or go play custom games.
If there was as unranked ladder it would demolish the whole mmr based system that we all play currently. One thing blizzards system does really well matching you against people of your own skill level.
Why I Want Unranked Ladder:- So I can try new builds or strategies against people of my own level without being punished with demotion in the early stages of trying to get a grasp on play. - A way to train when I'm a bit rusty that's less random than Custom (A silver Zerg or a Masters Protoss? Don't know til you queue one up!). I want an unranked ladder so that I can play against people of my skill level. Basically I would play against people with my MMR, but it wouldn't go up or down with losses or wins. If I'm winning lots of unranked games, I'll go back to ranked ladder because I know I'm ready. - You may not like it, but look at the declining activity among vast numbers of players who still like the game or play team games, but stay far away from 1v1. It would revitalize ladder as people could see where they stand on the unranked ladder and then start playing ranked ladder again. - It would make the game more accessible to noobs/people embarrassed of losing or afraid of being demoted if they haven't played for awhile or are on a cold streak. - Analogy: There are very good people in League of Legends. They play new champions (similar to offracing) in unranked games, often, and then when they feel comfortable go back into Ranked games with those chars. - REBUTTAL: It would not destroy MMR. People would keep playing on ladder just like always, it's just that there would be a shadow ladder alongside it. And that shows perfectly why it would destroy the MMR system... Show nested quote + If I'm winning lots of unranked games, I'll go back to ranked ladder because I know I'm ready. If you're winning alot of games then you've raised your MMR and if you would then go back to the ranked games you would be of a higher skill level than your opponent. Say for example you're in gold league you then train for a couple weeks in unranked games and get to the approximate skill of a platinum player. You then go back to ranked and demolish the golds cause you're of the skill of a platinum player. That's unfair and stupid to the gold players who want to just play players of their own skill level in ranked games. Edit: However I do agree about separate races having seperate MMR's and ranks.
"Basically I would play against people with my MMR, but it wouldn't go up or down with losses or wins." Unranked games would not affect MMR, just like they don't affect your ELO in LoL.
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On October 13 2011 09:56 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
The only problem with multiple accounts is that they would break the league system in place. GM wouldn't be top 200 it could be top 196 with the last 4 being some gosu. There would need to be a rule set where you can't have multiple accounts in the same division and can't have multiple accounts in GM.
There could be a system that only ranks your best race on the ladder (or if you select random) while still displaying a general rank for your offraces.
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On October 13 2011 10:52 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:56 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
The only problem with multiple accounts is that they would break the league system in place. GM wouldn't be top 200 it could be top 196 with the last 4 being some gosu. There would need to be a rule set where you can't have multiple accounts in the same division and can't have multiple accounts in GM. There could be a system that only ranks your best race on the ladder (or if you select random) while still displaying a general rank for your offraces.
Agreed. Or hell, they could make GM the top 300 or 500 or not make any changes at all (if your off-race is better than everyone else's main race, you might just deserve another top spot imo).
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If 1v1 had rankings for each race I would play 1v1 A LOT more.
There should also be an MMR-visible opt-in thing. I don't care how it works I just want to know where I am and if I am rising or falling.
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On October 13 2011 10:58 Hypatio wrote:
If 1v1 had rankings for each race I would play 1v1 A LOT more.
There should also be an MMR-visible opt-in thing. I don't care how it works I just want to know where I am and if I am rising or falling.
That's pretty much why it's hidden, that right there :V
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If the ladder is so stressful, just get another account - easy solution.
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Personally, I don't play much 1v1 ladder anymore not because I'm afraid of it, but because once you are able to find a group of friends to play custom 1v1s with, it's a lot more fun. 50% of your games won't be cheese, and you don't have to play on the crappy ladder maps. I urge everyone to abandon the 1v1 ladder, and seek out some friends to do customs with. You'll be pleasantly surprised if you've only ever played ladder in SC2. If anything, blizzard should spend their time introducing more features to advocate this kind of play, like clan support, better voice chat, anything to help connect people better.
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On October 13 2011 07:24 Hoodlum wrote:I think it should be unlimited like it was in brood war, I don't see the point in limiting it other then putting money in the pockets of blizzard
I wouldn't give unlimited because then there would be soooo many more trolls. I'd much rather that lets say you buy the client for 60$ then you get like 2 seperate accounts/names for it.
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3 to for accounts I think is to much. 2 seems reasonable compromise.
As it stands I really hate customs. Nobody plays any map that isn't Shattered or Xelnaga -_-.
And people saying a ladder that doesn't count points. Then how are you sopossed to play people of your own caliber? For that reason you play customs. The extra account is so that you can offrace and play against people of the same caliber.
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