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Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
October 13 2011 02:18 GMT
#161
practice 1v1 ladder plx (using 1v1 ranked mmr)
Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
October 13 2011 02:18 GMT
#162
1 rank, as many smurfs as you like. But if you notice people who hate blizzard games seem to be making them now
(every good wc3 feature from bnet got removed and most still not added lan,smurfing, bnet tournys for casual players, etc.)

look at diablo 3 they even are removing the open drop system or however it is termed and removed stat points (every point went into vit anyway for most builds but still...)
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
October 13 2011 02:27 GMT
#163
and ranked FFA? ^^

Honestly, I would kill from some ranked 1v1 (2v2 team melee)
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
October 13 2011 02:27 GMT
#164
I don't have a problem with the way ladder is now, but I would definetly play a lot more if there were more options. I continually take breaks from 1v1s(like month long breaks) and then I never want to start up again because I always feel like i've fallen behind the curve and I'll just get demoted.
Jieun <3
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
October 13 2011 02:29 GMT
#165
The only problem with this is if you put an unranked ladder on their, literally everyone would play that, and the ranked ladder would be a barren wasteland of hackers and GM players.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
KingLori
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany187 Posts
October 13 2011 02:34 GMT
#166
The Problem with the ladder is: Its just fucking boring. I can't play more than ~5 1on1 Games per Week, because its so boring. I have only 1 solid build for every matchup and the games look all the same and thats so boring.

In the last time, I tried some Teamgames, because you can mess around there alot - but random is so horrible. Diamond 4v4 is like Silver 1on1, the people are sooooo bad there :/
Ferr3t
Profile Joined October 2011
21 Posts
October 13 2011 02:47 GMT
#167
I'd actually prefer the 4 seperate 1v1 ranks per account, locked to each race + random. I've personally wanted to try out Zerg for example, even though my Zerg is way below T or P. I just feel like I can learn more when I play in a competitive environment against people I don't know, because the AI simply doesn't cut it once you have the basic mechanics down for the game itself, outside of race playstyle. In addition, the skill gap between my friends and I is far too great when I play Zerg.

I simply feel like I'm locked into my main race because I don't want to tank my current 1v1. After all, I did ladder that 1v1 with a goal in mind, and I'm far from achieving that, but its hard to chose whether to learn something new or keep improving at how I play right now.
You must defense your base.
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
October 13 2011 02:59 GMT
#168
I would love. Unranked ladder so I don't have to try new stuff against demo players...
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
October 13 2011 03:01 GMT
#169
You do know that if a master player offraces, he'll still probly roflstomp everyone in gold right? Do you seriously want gm/master smurfers owning you everyday? Either man up or buy a new account to ladder.
Snackysnacks
Profile Joined December 2010
United States411 Posts
October 13 2011 03:08 GMT
#170
On October 13 2011 12:01 ambrosiaa wrote:
You do know that if a master player offraces, he'll still probly roflstomp everyone in gold right? Do you seriously want gm/master smurfers owning you everyday? Either man up or buy a new account to ladder.

Though, the idea is that his offrace may only be a mid/high master skill in that race, therefor he wont have to play vs grandmasters offracing but still play within a skill bracket.

Then again, what stops a korean from smashing gold leagues when they get a NA account?
Nothing

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reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
October 13 2011 03:15 GMT
#171
On October 13 2011 11:18 Tsuki.eu wrote:
practice 1v1 ladder plx (using 1v1 ranked mmr)


i think an unranked ladder would be worthless. That's what custom games are for. Or practice partners. If you want to play against someone near your skill level, find someone your level and play against them. Or talk to someone you meet in 1v1 ladder (i've met a number of people that way) and play with them.

It's getting a little old to keep on reading about people who supposedly love sc2 / competition, but are too terrified to compete.

IMO, if everyone keeps getting stressed out about ladder, then sc2 might not be the game for you. Either find a way to play and make it fun (either enjoy 1v1, or goof off in team games w/ friends, or play custom games like the mage game, or dota clones or something).

Unranked ladder completely defeats the purpose of ladder. The purpose of ladder is to rank you vs other people. Unranked ladder doesn't rank you, doesn't do anything except give you an opponent near your MMR (which you could theoretically find anyway) at the expense of stealing people from normal ladder
moose...indian
stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
October 13 2011 03:24 GMT
#172
see but since the ladder numbers are dwindling if you made another ladder it would split the player pool in half which is bad

i do think multiple ranks is kinda possible- but that would def increase the amount of lopsided games as higher level players level up their other races for fun. I really think everyone just needs to realize ladder rank anit no thing and then it'll be better.
OmyVi
Profile Joined February 2011
United States137 Posts
October 13 2011 03:32 GMT
#173
I've always wondered why it isn't in the game. I'd love to have a 2nd 1v1 ranking on my account. No way I'm paying for another account, blizzard has enough of my coin.
| IdrA | DRG | Ret |
ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
October 13 2011 03:34 GMT
#174
On October 13 2011 12:08 Snackysnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 12:01 ambrosiaa wrote:
You do know that if a master player offraces, he'll still probly roflstomp everyone in gold right? Do you seriously want gm/master smurfers owning you everyday? Either man up or buy a new account to ladder.

Though, the idea is that his offrace may only be a mid/high master skill in that race, therefor he wont have to play vs grandmasters offracing but still play within a skill bracket.

Then again, what stops a korean from smashing gold leagues when they get a NA account?
Nothing


The idea is that is gives the player too many options to SMURF. Imagine the number of people who will just use that extra ladder ID to purposely stay in gold league (by throwing games away as well) and own scrubs when they're bored in their gm league.
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
October 13 2011 03:34 GMT
#175
On October 13 2011 12:15 reneg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 11:18 Tsuki.eu wrote:
practice 1v1 ladder plx (using 1v1 ranked mmr)


i think an unranked ladder would be worthless. That's what custom games are for. Or practice partners. If you want to play against someone near your skill level, find someone your level and play against them. Or talk to someone you meet in 1v1 ladder (i've met a number of people that way) and play with them.

Unranked ladder completely defeats the purpose of ladder. The purpose of ladder is to rank you vs other people. Unranked ladder doesn't rank you, doesn't do anything except give you an opponent near your MMR (which you could theoretically find anyway) at the expense of stealing people from normal ladder


Please read the disclaimer... this isn't about unranked ladder.
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
annYeong(o11)
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada784 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 03:37:37
October 13 2011 03:36 GMT
#176
I would really like a deticated ladder rank for each race, because I really like playing random but my Protoss and Terran match ups are far better than my zerg matchups because the two races (P&T) are so similar.

to be sure, no separate ladders, just different rankings on the same ladder for each race.
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kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
October 13 2011 03:37 GMT
#177
yeah this game needs a seperate unranked 1v1 with a seperate mmr. learn from lol's success
Snackysnacks
Profile Joined December 2010
United States411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 03:47:38
October 13 2011 03:44 GMT
#178
On October 13 2011 12:34 ambrosiaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 12:08 Snackysnacks wrote:
On October 13 2011 12:01 ambrosiaa wrote:
You do know that if a master player offraces, he'll still probly roflstomp everyone in gold right? Do you seriously want gm/master smurfers owning you everyday? Either man up or buy a new account to ladder.

Though, the idea is that his offrace may only be a mid/high master skill in that race, therefor he wont have to play vs grandmasters offracing but still play within a skill bracket.

Then again, what stops a korean from smashing gold leagues when they get a NA account?
Nothing


The idea is that is gives the player too many options to SMURF. Imagine the number of people who will just use that extra ladder ID to purposely stay in gold league (by throwing games away as well) and own scrubs when they're bored in their gm league.

It would show, wouldnt it?

Then again, nothing stops a player from owning a second or side account to smurf on (see friends who only bought the game to play customs/not care about ladder)
On October 13 2011 12:37 kazie wrote:
yeah this game needs a seperate unranked 1v1 with a seperate mmr. learn from lol's success


Lol Ladder system, look at it like this
Ranked 5 Teams
Ranked Solo Memebers
(unranked) Pool play (its still ranked)

The only difference is that Unranked in lol factors in wins no matter what premade group you go in. This makes an insane elo with players with little to no losses, high end players playing against random arranged players.
I kinda of see it like how we have ranked 4's Random and ranked 4's Teams In starcraft.
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ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 03:58:21
October 13 2011 03:51 GMT
#179
[QUOTE]On October 13 2011 12:44 Snackysnacks wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 13 2011 12:34 ambrosiaa wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 13 2011 12:08 Snackysnacks wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 13 2011 12:01 ambrosiaa wrote:
You do know that if a master player offraces, he'll still probly roflstomp everyone in gold right? Do you seriously want gm/master smurfers owning you everyday? Either man up or buy a new account to ladder.[/QUOTE]
Though, the idea is that his offrace may only be a mid/high master skill in that race, therefor he wont have to play vs grandmasters offracing but still play within a skill bracket.

Then again, what stops a korean from smashing gold leagues when they get a NA account?
Nothing

[/QUOTE]
The idea is that is gives the player too many options to SMURF. Imagine the number of people who will just use that extra ladder ID to purposely stay in gold league (by throwing games away as well) and own scrubs when they're bored in their gm league.[/QUOTE]
It would show, wouldnt it?

Then again, nothing stops a player from owning a second or side account to smurf on (see friends who only bought the game to play customs/not care about ladder)
[QUOTE]On October 13 2011 12:37 kazie wrote:
Meanin the gold players? The lowest league is bronze, and then what? All this does is make impossible for new, genuine players to practice on the ladder with the amount of smurfers around.
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
October 13 2011 03:53 GMT
#180
There should definitely be more than 1 ranked option for sure. That's all it comes down to. Only reason not to is purely profit.
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