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I don't get the resistance against this idea. If i play T and i happen to want to learn Z, and blizzard had implemented a different MMR for every race that would just mean i could meet people around my skill level as Z. Nothing more and nothing less.
What are you saying really? How the fuck would it ruin ladder? So lets say some kid who play T wants to play P and only 4 gate for fun. That's just either a easy win for his opponent, or his opponent loses and needs to defend a 4-gate better.
I read what you've said but i don't agree with it even a little.
And what's this ''Man up''. What!? What does that have to do with anything?! We just want to have a game with more freedom. Implementing was OP says can only bring good.
To clarify. I would like that every race has a different MMR in 1v1. (Different ranking for each race)
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i think it should stay as it is, multi ranks on ladder would just encourage smurfing. And there is no reason to have an unserious ladder like you say, what is the point of ranking people playing unserious ?
But having 1 for each race and 1 for random maybe, could be nice. Instead of being stuck with platnum when i wanna play for example zerg which i have never really played.
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Blizzard just need to either make Custom game matchmaking much better or give a seperate 1v1 section for unranked.
When I want to play a 1v1 I don't want to go into Custom game and get matched against a Grandmasters, nor do I want to find a Bronze. There's no decent form of matchmaking outside ladder, unless you purposely go out of your way to do so.
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On October 13 2011 23:36 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Some people just need to man the fuck up. It's a rank. It goes up and down. Deal with it.
How the hell is this even relevant?
If there was a ladder ranking for each race, then each 1v1 ladder would go up and down as you played on each of your Protoss, Zerg, Terran, and Random 1v1 ladders.
What the current set-up is doing is forcing us to stick with our current race, because we've already invested a lot of time and effort into getting to our current league as one race, and it would be silly to fall all the way back down on the same ladder just to re-learn a new race.
If I'm master league Protoss and have never played a 1v1 game as Terran or Zerg, how do I start? How do I learn? Do I throw a hundred straight games to get knocked down to silver? And then what happens if I want to play as Protoss again?
Saying "man the fuck up" isn't an argument. It's just you sounding like you didn't even read the OP.
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I think it's worth pointing out that establishing an MMR from scratch isn't the long arduous process people are making it out to be. After your first 5 placement matches you will be rather close to where you should be (although there are weird corner cases / coincidences based on who you play for those first 5 matches). Nevertheless, after about 20-30 matches your MMR should be very close to where it should be.
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i dunno man
thats a difficult question really
i thin it would be cool to have a ladder rank for every race but i think if you take the game seriously you will only need 1
also if some pro wants to bash some noobs he can then just pick another race not even needing to switch accounts
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On October 13 2011 07:29 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 07:24 blagoonga123 wrote:i like that idea. it would allow me to offrace better On October 13 2011 07:24 Hoodlum wrote:I think it should be unlimited like it was in brood war, I don't see the point in limiting it other then putting money in the pockets of blizzard  what if you were just trying to get back into the game after some time off, and realized you'd only be playing masters+ players who just wanted some easy wins? So, like BW? The system worked fine, really. Then you'll get smashed a few games? BW was brutal, but had a better system. With iccup, at least.
I agree that the BW system was brutal, and I think the blizzard ladder works way better. Especially for everyone below master league. Also you usually get matched with someone of similar skill, it really wouldn't be a good system if you had many accounts and could just smash on people lower than you, that'd be a good way to reduce the number of players really quickly.
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this thing is just... silly. i understand your point but by starting to implement different ladders etc you will mess things up. a smarter solution would be to allow accounts to have 1 sub-account.
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On October 13 2011 07:24 ChroMaTe_ wrote:
There should just be an unranked 1v1 "ladder" period.
This, one which basically uses your "unranked" mmr to match you up. But records nothing but mmr changes so it takes no stress, and you can off-race how much you want.
As it is now, when I come home tired from studying etc, I just play team games if I have none to practice against online, because I don't want to play 1v1 ladder when I'm really tired.
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On October 14 2011 02:15 Theovide wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 07:24 ChroMaTe_ wrote:
There should just be an unranked 1v1 "ladder" period. This, one which basically uses your "unranked" mmr to match you up. But records nothing but mmr changes so it takes no stress, and you can off-race how much you want. As it is now, when I come home tired from studying etc, I just play team games if I have none to practice against online, because I don't want to play 1v1 ladder when I'm really tired.
Why would you want to be matched up for your' off-race with your' main race's MMR?
On another note, I think all the input so far has been rather incredible. The idea of the unranked play using current MMR is a good one (but not perfect). People also seem to be liking the ranking per race as well (this one would be relatively easy to implement for Blizzard as well since they keep track of your dominant race).
I think I will let the polling go on for a while and then update the original post with summaries of what people thought and liked the most.
Cheers everyone (even the masochist "take the pain, off-racing is stupid" trolls ;P).
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On October 13 2011 23:42 jonesthemad wrote:
i prefer the way it is. otherwise the 1on1 ranking would be as fucked up as the 2on2 3on3 and 4on4 because of a bazillion of corpses not playing.
As Fuzzyjam stated above me.
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You can't be serious. The ladder can already be clogged up with 'corpses not playing.' Pay a small fee of $60 and you can now ladder with multiple rankings; They're called smurfs.The difference between the way it is, and the proposition of the OP is whether or not you pay $60.
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On October 14 2011 01:23 Denzil wrote:
Blizzard just need to either make Custom game matchmaking much better or give a seperate 1v1 section for unranked.
When I want to play a 1v1 I don't want to go into Custom game and get matched against a Grandmasters, nor do I want to find a Bronze. There's no decent form of matchmaking outside ladder, unless you purposely go out of your way to do so.
What they need is a matchmaking "unrakned" system that uses your MMR on your "ranked" games to set you against similar people. Or, just have a separate MMR for the "unranked" ladder that works exactly the same as the ranked one, but just doesnt show you what league and rank your in. This way you play the people at your skill level, but you could give a fuck if you lose or not. BOOM problem solved.
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I would love it if they introduced some sort of practice 1v1 type thing where I could chose to play 1v1 PvT (always PvT) against someone with comparable MMR to me
After getting my terran down pact, i could then do a ton of PvZ
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I can smell the reek of cheese increasing already...
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I think adding a ladder so that it's ranked by race would be really great, but, I think a practice ladder/unranked ladder would really help promote many individuals to practice 1v1s - especially those individuals who get the famed 'ladder anxiety'. Unfortunately, I'd be really surprised if blizzard had this high on its 'to-do list' (if at all)... T_T
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this is why i play on my friends bronze account offrace. If they did have seperate 1v1 i would probs become random when my skill levels on each race is good enough
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Actually, I would like to have something somewhat oposite than most of the people in this thread: I would like to have separate MMR for each race, but I doun't care about rankings, so I have no proublem with all the points going to one account (which would be in some "average" league or whatever).
People should just understand, that the real value of the ladder is not in leagues and points, but MMR. Any "practice league" which would keep the main account's MMR would be absolutely pointless, there is no difference from playing ladder, apart of the points that are totally meaningless. But I would love so much to offrace, but I am infinitely better as P than as anything else, so I would have to dump like 30 games to get some even matcht (and then win 30 back to get even as P). If the MMR was separate per race, that would be just amazing!
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I think an unranked ladder that uses your 1v1 MMR is the best solution. That way you can practice whatever you want with people of your skill level. And honestly if you're like a diamond or masters level terran or whatever than with enough practice (unranked ladder) you could probably get the other races at least somewhat close to your main.
I would also love it because I personally can only play sparingly and dont have many friends who play SC2. It just seems like it would be a great non stressful way to practice. A MMR for every race seems like a bit too much going on though.
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I accidentally clicked "1 Keep it the same" but meant to click 4, 1 for each race. I would like to be able to play other races without getting dominated all day.
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On October 14 2011 03:00 Roxy wrote:
I would love it if they introduced some sort of practice 1v1 type thing where I could chose to play 1v1 PvT (always PvT) against someone with comparable MMR to me
After getting my terran down pact, i could then do a ton of PvZ
I agree completely with this!
A league that tracks MMR but nothing else, and lets you choose what matchup you play. Also don't include the wins in achievements and such (to prevent people from just playing tonnes of games on it)
it would then let you practice that matchup you're having problems with, or play when drunk/high/tired without risking tanking your normal 1v1 rating.
possibly track each matchup differently in MMR for this league, so you're always playing somebody else exactly your skill level in each matchup, which is the best environment to improve in.
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