I would trade 'flashiness' for a chance at USD50,000 any day...Though i don't even know what flashiness really is...the tendency to base trade?(MKP) or just unorthodox play like boxer cancelling structures when scouted?.. imo the build MVP used yesterday + Show Spoiler +
where he used mass blue flame into mech was about as creative as it could get in TvZ.
. Anyway to each his own, hope MVP gets his 4th GSL and get his wrists treated asap, would be a shame to see him not able to perform to his full potential.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
The things you just said about playing outside the box, and getting involved in the community have no relationship at all. You're confusing so many things in trying to invent dislike for a player, it doesn't make sense
Hate him for playing standard, but don't hate him because his team can't afford to fly him everywhere like Slayers.
Okay sorry about adding that extra stuff I know it was sidetracking but I am just stating more reasons why MVP isn't as appeasing. I was only adding to my original dislike of his style of being to standard. It's not that I hate his personality or anything it's just as a watcher I want to see something more than the "standard" builds which I can see from any other player. In a summary I just prefer unique people with unique play styles rather than MVP's standard one. I'm not trying to stir up hate for MVP I was just stating my opinions on the his style because a lot of people are confused to why people don't like MVP. I know a lot of people feel the same way as I do.
got to remember that in Korea people LOVE on some MKP. MVP made him cry twice! Probably not a lot of love back at home for MVP. Sad, we foreigners (at least a large portion) love us some MVP (and MKP)
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
On October 12 2011 14:55 Lokian wrote: im not sure why i dont like mvp as much as i like other players of lesser calibur... maybe because nothing epic ever happens in his games?
when i watch mvp play, i don't expect much in the entertainment side of things. also to add, his personality in these interviews seems bland too.
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
sounds like somebody needs to go watch last gsl final's first game and then come back and voice his opinion. most interesting epic tvt I've ever seen (in sc2)
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
On October 12 2011 14:55 Lokian wrote:
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
He's whining because alot of players that ARENT in the Top 3 Slots got SHAFTED.
He himself lost out on nearly nothing, besides a little prize money, but everyone who was fighting for those top 10 slots, the 7 that had been told they would make it, suddenly are out.
He's voicing out for players who might not get a chance to, and you're misinterpreting it and using it as an exuse to him. My god the hypocrisy these days.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
QFT lol, undeniably true
i feel like these 'flashy' or 'unique' traits of other players stand out more because their other aspects are lacking in comparison to whatever they excel in, resulting in wins primarily due to that certain feature. example being MMA's relentless attacks/multipronged drops/harass in tvz,
micro of mkp..
and straight up macros better than the best zergs/everyone in general, with exception of bomber in the past during biomech tvts :o
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
I wouldn't say that considering that MMA has especially been doing really well for himself even beating MVP in 2 bo5s so you can't really say that MVP outclasses everyone in every way, but MarineKing I could agree I guess considering his slump. I guess I just like them because they are always seen as players who can't get the top and it would be awesome to see them in a close series taking out a giant like MVP. Also I really don't believe they are that much worse if not at all, you can flame me all you want but I believe this.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
He's whining because alot of players that ARENT in the Top 3 Slots got SHAFTED.
He himself lost out on nearly nothing, besides a little prize money, but everyone who was fighting for those top 10 slots, the 7 that had been told they would make it, suddenly are out.
He's voicing out for players who might not get a chance to, and you're misinterpreting it and using it as an exuse to him. My god the hypocrisy these days.
If MVP got a problem with that, he should take it to gomTV not the media. why the hell would he de-value a tournament in which he was invited to win thousands of dollars. high chair much? just cuz his friends didn't get a slot doesn't mean he has to take it out on the people that made it even possible.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
On October 12 2011 14:55 Lokian wrote:
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
He's whining because alot of players that ARENT in the Top 3 Slots got SHAFTED.
He himself lost out on nearly nothing, besides a little prize money, but everyone who was fighting for those top 10 slots, the 7 that had been told they would make it, suddenly are out.
He's voicing out for players who might not get a chance to, and you're misinterpreting it and using it as an exuse to him. My god the hypocrisy these days.
If MVP got a problem with that, he should take it to gomTV not the media. why the hell would he de-value a tournament in which he was invited to win thousands of dollars. high chair much? just cuz his friends didn't get a slot doesn't mean he has to take it out on the people that made it even possible by underhandingly publically criticizing blizzard cup.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
On October 12 2011 14:55 Lokian wrote:
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
He's whining because alot of players that ARENT in the Top 3 Slots got SHAFTED.
He himself lost out on nearly nothing, besides a little prize money, but everyone who was fighting for those top 10 slots, the 7 that had been told they would make it, suddenly are out.
He's voicing out for players who might not get a chance to, and you're misinterpreting it and using it as an exuse to him. My god the hypocrisy these days.
If MVP got a problem with that, he should take it to gomTV not the media. why the hell would he de-value a tournament in which he was invited to win thousands of dollars. high chair much? just cuz his friends didn't get a slot doesn't mean he has to take it out on the people that made it even possible.
go to page 1
click the first spoiler
read the background text that says "GOMTV"
who else was he saying it to lol?
a tournament that's been in the works forever, goes through last second changes without notifying the players involved (originally or not) -> rough situation, anyone can understand that o_o how would you feel if you had shit flipped around last second
and either way it doesn't effect him besides the prize money lol, he's rank1 seeded anyway, it's just in regards to the late change, in a sense 'unfair' for the players that initially thought they would qualify
Yeah this is why GOM shouldn't have changed the format. Everyone liked it as it was.All the new format does is force the players to fly overseas even more. Is that really the best interest for GOM?
EPT
