Q: Like last season, you've once again risen to the Round of 4. A: I have a jinx where if I get through the Round of 32 I win, and it feels like that jinx might occur again so I'm feeling good. But since it was Nestea who I beat, I'm not too happy. I really would have preferred to meet in the finals, so this is regrettable.
Q: This battle against Nestea seemed to be the most difficult. A: To be honest, every battle against him is hard. But this time the battle over the score was very difficult. I don't think I ever beat him 3:2 before, so since it went to the final game and I won today, I felt thrilled. This was the first time I ever had a Best of 5 go to the final game, so it was really fun.
Q: How was the atmosphere before today's games with Nestea? A: Since we're always friendly, it was like that today too. Rather than talking about the games, we talked about other things and told jokes while waiting for the match.
Q: In the second and third game, you suffered complete defeat. Did you regret this? A: There was a case in Game 2 where if I retreated with my units that had been attacked the game could have turned out alright, but then when I went to retreat broodlords came out so I lost. In the third game I was for some reason expecting an all-in to come and I adapted my build toward that, but then Nestea went for a greedy macro strategy so I lost after having an advantage.
Q: As expected, in Game 4 the situation in the first half of the game wasn't good. A: Yes, it wasn't good. I made a lot of hellions, but I could barely kill any drones so things became difficult. I had no choice but to try to focus on assembling a strong 200 supply army for the late game. If he had attacked during that I would have had lost.
Q: You seemed really worried during the fifth game. A: Actually, I wasn't really worried. But the game didn't go well. I felt really pressured. Nestea also feels pressured about me, so we both started the game making some mistakes. After I handled the roach drop well, I felt that I could win the game.
Q: It seems like you'll get some hate from Zerg fans (laughs). A: It seems like not just Zergs, but fans of all races hate me (laughs). It definitely seems like there aren't especially many people who like me, so that's why I say that. I say that and so I can't afford to lose games, so I will try to think positively.
Q: There aren't many fans who like you? A: There are a lot of people who dislike me, so fans who defend me have to endure a lot of trials. I'm personally alright. Because of that I hope that people won't suffer in order to defend me.
Q: Do you want to face Nestea in the Blizzcon Tournament? A: That sort of competition is difficult, but it seems like good games will be shown. I definitely hope to face Nestea in the Blizzcon Invitational as well.
Q: Your next opponent will definitely be a Woongjin Terran. [T/N Ganzi, Supernova, and MVP all played on Woongjin in Brood War] A: I made a living alongside those two players in Woongjin for all my Starcraft 1 days. We all know each other well. It will be tough whoever advances. But I'm still confident I can beat either of them (laughs).
Q: It seems like your ambition to win the Blizzcon Tournament and Code S at the same time has grown stronger. A: I've felt that way since this league started. It was definitely a concrete goal. My desire has been growing each time I advance another step closer. I will definitely win these leagues.
Q: Anything else you want to say? A: First I want to thank IM_Horror, IM_True, CheckPrime, and MVP_Dongraegu for helping in practice. I also want to thank MarinekingPrime and FXO_Gumiho for giving advice on builds and showing me some games. Oh, also, the contents of the Blizzard Cup have been announced, but the things I knew have changed. To be honest, I'm flustered by the players and the prize pool has also been reduced a lot. I would like to be told about those things. Players who thought they knew how to get into the tournament are really discouraged. The qualifications for getting into the tournament and the method of the games have been changed. A lot of players haven't been told about it and these changes seem dogmatic [T/N hard to translate sorry, he's saying like “without attention to the players” or “coming down from on high”], so the players are baffled.
Q: How do you feel about your first advancement to the Code S Round of 4? A: I sincerely want to go to the Blizzcon Stage, and it really feels like I'm getting close to that. I'm really happy. As I gradually advance to higher and higher rounds, I'm remembering my days as a nameless player. It's a new feeling (laughs).
Q: Today's games were really well-matched. What was the hardest moment? A: I think the last game was the hardest. I only saw Supernova's build in the beginning of the game, so I expected an all-in to come. Since I prepared for an all-in, a situation came to be that I hadn't experienced in practice. But still, since I focused in the engagement and won, I was able to become the winner in the end.
Q: A lot of Slayers Terrans had been invited to IPL, so was practice difficult? A: Since a lot of our team's Terrans went to IPL, I wasn't able to practice satisfactorily. So I mainly practiced builds, but it seems I wasn't able to practice that well. Then because my proxy barracks didn't work in the second game, I used a build I hadn't practiced much in the fourth game on Daybreak and the result was a mental collapse (laughs).
Q: You're friends with Supernova, what effect did that have? A: To be honest, it was a burden. It's difficult when you have to play against a person you know. I don't greet them before the games so that I can have a psychological advantage, then I say hello after all the games are ended. But since I can't properly greet a player who I'm friends with, I'm really sorry. I hope that we can meet in a later round next time.
Q: But then you're meeting a player you're friends with next round, too. Also a Woongjin Terran. The foremost Terran, MVP. A: To be honest, I was really rooting for Nestea today (laughs). But as expected, Terran is overpowered (laughs). I'm friends with MVP, but strangely we keep meeting. I really don't like it (laughs). We're meeting in the Round of 4, but really I would have preferred it to be the finals. I will practice hard.
Q: What do you usually think of MVP's play? A: It feels like he's similar to Flash. He has no flaws. Usually when I see my opponent I can find a weak point, but it really seems like he has none. Preparation will be very demanding. But if there's only one flaw the games will be boring (laughs). Game 1 of the set I played just now wasn't interesting. But if that kind of thing happens, the style will be very different. I think that for once being matched up refreshingly, even if it's TvT, I will be able to have interesting games.
Q: Since Starcraft 2 has been released you've done the best, and it seems like your accomplishments are different. A: In Starcraft 1 I was always plagued by a sense of shame. I was belittling myself, so I felt discouraged. These days in similar situations I get stressed and burdened, but because I've been able to show my skills gradually I feel satisfied. More than anything, I think becoming a progamer changed me as a person, and I'm very thankful to that. I think that as long as the time of my hardship was, I will be able to show a stronger form.
Q: That significance must make the Round of 4 a very important confrontation for you. A: I didn't have a lot of practice partners so I was stressed. It was difficult. But the Round of 4 is different. The feeling of the significance between the Round of 8 and Round of 4 is different. I really want to seize this big approaching chance. It's distressing mentally, but in my environment I have a lot of help with nerves so I will be able to be very strong.
Q: This season there could be up to 3 Slayers players in the Round of 4. What do you predict for tomorrow? A: I believe in my teammates. But they all have to play against difficult opponents. Since I have started off well, I hope that the rest of my teammates can advance to the Round of 4.
Q: If you go to the finals, who would you like to face? A: I think it would be popular if MMA went to the USA. MMA has been popular in the US, but he has been lucky during that time. To be honest if I go to the finals I'd like to be matched with MMA. I'm ambitious to become a known player and to face him properly once on the big stage.
Q: Anything else you want to say? A: A lot of players helped me practice, but I can't mention them all so I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. Slayers_Lots helped but I think I stressed him out a lot. I'm sorry about that (laughs). Also, our team's sponsorship contract is ending soon, but I hope that we can all show good results and get an even better living than currently.
Oh, also, the contents of the Blizzard Cup have been announced, but the things I knew have changed. To be honest, I'm flustered by the players and the prize pool has also been reduced a lot. I would like to be told about those things. Players who thought they knew how to get into the tournament are really discouraged. The qualifications for getting into the tournament and the method of the games have been changed. A lot of players haven't been told about it and these changes seem dogmatic [T/N hard to translate sorry, he's saying like “without attention to the players” or “coming down from on high”], so the players are baffled.
Q: There aren't many fans who like you? A: There are a lot of people who dislike me, so fans who defend me have to endure a lot of trials. I'm personally alright. Because of that I hope that people won't suffer in order to defend me.
Somebody needs to show MVP his fanclub on TL
Q: Your next opponent will definitely be a Woongjin Terran. [T/N Ganzi, Supernova, and MVP all played on Woongjin in Brood War] A: I made a living alongside those two players in Woongjin for all my Starcraft 1 days. We all know each other well. It will be tough whoever advances. But I'm still confident I can beat either of them (laughs).
Lol Woongjin terrans taking 2 of the top 4 and 3 of the top 8. Crazy world we live in. Imagine what SKT zergs could do to the scene.
I always got the impression that having your player from your races beaten by MVP is considered an alright thing. Something like, oh well it's mvp , he is the better player and would probably still have beaten his opponent regardless of races.
On October 12 2011 09:28 ch33psh33p wrote: Oh, also, the contents of the Blizzard Cup have been announced, but the things I knew have changed. To be honest, I'm flustered by the players and the prize pool has also been reduced a lot. I would like to be told about those things. Players who thought they knew how to get into the tournament are really discouraged. The qualifications for getting into the tournament and the method of the games have been changed. A lot of players haven't been told about it and these changes seem dogmatic [T/N hard to translate sorry, he's saying like “without attention to the players” or “coming down from on high”], so the players are baffled.
Anyone know what he's talking about?
I'm guessing GOM changed it so more foreigners would compete, which I think pissed off the koreans.
edit: MVP is pretty awesome for for calling out GOM even though he's already qualified for the Blizzard Cup.
On October 12 2011 09:28 ch33psh33p wrote: Oh, also, the contents of the Blizzard Cup have been announced, but the things I knew have changed. To be honest, I'm flustered by the players and the prize pool has also been reduced a lot. I would like to be told about those things. Players who thought they knew how to get into the tournament are really discouraged. The qualifications for getting into the tournament and the method of the games have been changed. A lot of players haven't been told about it and these changes seem dogmatic [T/N hard to translate sorry, he's saying like “without attention to the players” or “coming down from on high”], so the players are baffled.
Anyone know what he's talking about?
I'm guessing GOM changed it so more foreigners would compete, which I think pissed off the koreans.
edit: MVP is pretty awesome for for calling out GOM even though he's already qualified for the Blizzard Cup.
Ah yes, for some reason that totally slipped my mind. @_@
For those also curious, this is what he's talking about.
Q: There aren't many fans who like you? A: There are a lot of people who dislike me, so fans who defend me have to endure a lot of trials. I'm personally alright. Because of that I hope that people won't suffer in order to defend me.
Q: Your next opponent will definitely be a Woongjin Terran. [T/N Ganzi, Supernova, and MVP all played on Woongjin in Brood War] A: I made a living alongside those two players in Woongjin for all my Starcraft 1 days. We all know each other well. It will be tough whoever advances. But I'm still confident I can beat either of them (laughs).
Lol Woongjin terrans taking 2 of the top 4 and 3 of the top 8. Crazy world we live in. Imagine what SKT zergs could do to the scene.
Hmm? Dislike MVP? I wanted Nestea to win so bad but I wouldn't hate on MVP, he played straight up and seems like a laid back individual. Definitely one of the few players I feel will stand the test of time and still be awesome even once this game becomes more balanced. He's legit.
edit: and not only that, but shouldn't terrans be worshipping him? I may be mistaken but he's like the first (or one of the first) terrans to pull his head out of his ass and show that ghosts work at t3, mech works at t3, and that terran actually can keep up by playing a heavy macro style. You'd think people would be thankful for him leading the way.
I'm surprised MVP gets a lot of hate he's such a sick terran who when I watch barely does all ins its why I have so much respect for him as a player. So sick good him + nestea are my favorite players ^_^ (and DRG )
probably was just gonna be between top 8 ranked gsl players or something and blizzcon winner ( more korean biased as some others said) - oh well- at least we will have variety this way. No MC though =[ I haven't bought a gsl ticket ever since MC dropped out of code S and im feeling pretty sad about it sometimes.
Anyway- MVP gonna be the first back to back winner of GSL!!! thats awesome- it think if he wins this no one can argue he is not the best. I hope slayers gets their sponsorship contract renewed as well.
On October 12 2011 09:47 mrRoflpwn wrote: probably was just gonna be between top 8 ranked gsl players or something and blizzcon winner ( more korean biased as some others said) - oh well- at least we will have variety this way. No MC though =[ I haven't bought a gsl ticket ever since MC dropped out of code S and im feeling pretty sad about it sometimes.
Anyway- MVP gonna be the first back to back winner of GSL!!! thats awesome- it think if he wins this no one can argue he is not the best. I hope slayers gets their sponsorship contract renewed as well.
Considering how close the Nestea series was last night I can definitely argue that.
On October 12 2011 09:43 Wunder wrote: Weird talk about the Blizzard Cup stuff - I wonder what the original plan was, qualifiying and prize pool wise.
Also find it a bit strange that people dislike MVP. Do people just dislike Terrans in general and hate on the top guy? Who knows I suppose...
The original blizzard cup format
5) Blizzard Cup (1 tournament a year in December) – Invitational - The top 10 players of the point ranking of that year will play in a play-off type tournament. - Day 1 : 10th place vs. 9th place, Day 2 : Winner vs. 8th place and so on. - There will be 1 best of 7 matches a day
Don't remember too many specifics about the prize pool but the current blizzard cup is "only" 68,000,000 KRW and I'm almost certain the original one was at least or around 100,000,000 KRW.
Q: There aren't many fans who like you? A: There are a lot of people who dislike me, so fans who defend me have to endure a lot of trials. I'm personally alright. Because of that I hope that people won't suffer in order to defend me.
Q: Your next opponent will definitely be a Woongjin Terran. [T/N Ganzi, Supernova, and MVP all played on Woongjin in Brood War] A: I made a living alongside those two players in Woongjin for all my Starcraft 1 days. We all know each other well. It will be tough whoever advances. But I'm still confident I can beat either of them (laughs).
Lol Woongjin terrans taking 2 of the top 4 and 3 of the top 8. Crazy world we live in. Imagine what SKT zergs could do to the scene.
On October 12 2011 09:28 ch33psh33p wrote: Oh, also, the contents of the Blizzard Cup have been announced, but the things I knew have changed. To be honest, I'm flustered by the players and the prize pool has also been reduced a lot. I would like to be told about those things. Players who thought they knew how to get into the tournament are really discouraged. The qualifications for getting into the tournament and the method of the games have been changed. A lot of players haven't been told about it and these changes seem dogmatic [T/N hard to translate sorry, he's saying like “without attention to the players” or “coming down from on high”], so the players are baffled.
Anyone know what he's talking about?
It was based on GSL points previously. IIRC they invited the 16 highest seeds from GSL. And matched them in a KotH or something. The thing is that they changed it to invites based on championships for many tournies which sucks for many of the top 16 players in the GSL
On October 12 2011 09:28 ch33psh33p wrote: Oh, also, the contents of the Blizzard Cup have been announced, but the things I knew have changed. To be honest, I'm flustered by the players and the prize pool has also been reduced a lot. I would like to be told about those things. Players who thought they knew how to get into the tournament are really discouraged. The qualifications for getting into the tournament and the method of the games have been changed. A lot of players haven't been told about it and these changes seem dogmatic [T/N hard to translate sorry, he's saying like “without attention to the players” or “coming down from on high”], so the players are baffled.
Anyone know what he's talking about?
I believe it was originally meant to be Top 10 ranked GSL players.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
There's a reason why Jaedong, Stork and Bisu all have bigger fan bases than Flash.
Terran being the strongest race in both BW and SC2?
Ehhh are fans really that petty?
I think it has to do more with Flash dominating BW than it is playing Terran...
Hmmm, but MVP has not really been that dominating until recently. Hehe I guess I am used to all the QQers by now. Didn´t thought about the domination as the main reason.Sorry
Interesting that MVP doesn't seem to be so popular.
I can see how a lot of code S Terrans would be feeling the heat from perceived imbalance, but surely it's beyond dispute that MVP earned everything he has. The guy is exceptional.
I'll rage as hard as anyone when he EMPs my favourite brotoss into oblivion, but at the end of the day he's the best player in the world and I respect that. What's up with the netizens?
On the one hand the changing of the blizzard cup format makes me sad both because I like that KOTH style thing and because players who thought they'd done well enough to qualify are now probably scrambling to see if they can compete at dreamhack winter or mlg providence as those are the only tournaments left that give blizzard cup spots that don't already have locked rosters. On the other hand I support the event being more open to players from other regions. All I'm saying is I understand why Mvp may be frustrated especially what with the money amount apparently changing as well.
I feel bad that MVP gets hated so much just for being on top right now , though I think it's cute that he worries about how hard his fans have to work to defend him.
Ganzi is adorable and seems to have the Slayers condition of feeling overshadowed by MMA and thus wanting to face him. Hopefully now that IPl 3 is over and his teammates are coming back Ganzi can get the practice he wants and the advice he needs to properly face MVP.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
There's a reason why Jaedong, Stork and Bisu all have bigger fan bases than Flash.
Based on what? On TL at least I am 100% sure there are more Flash fans than Stork if not Bisu/Jaedong.
Well on TL i don't see many mpv haters exept some bitter ppl. The thing is, he doesn't see that and only looks at the korean viewers were we got no clue about. Its not the same everywhere.
Q: What do you usually think of MVP's play? A: It feels like he's similar to Flash. He has no flaws. Usually when I see my opponent I can find a weak point, but it really seems like he has none. Preparation will be very demanding. ...
wow, i cant imagine why people would hate on MVP so hard. I dont think ive seen more than a handful of posts hating on MVP here on TL. I guess the Korean netizens are a little more intense
I don't understand why MVP would get hate. He was never really cocky like MC, and regardless if you think terran is overpowered or not, its near impossible to make an argument that he isn't the most mechanically talented player in the game.
its really cool to see the MMA/Ganzi rivalry developing more.I guess from practice Ganzi feels like MMA doesn't deserve the attention he gets and wants to peg him down a notch or two(that is the correct phrase right? XD)
Apparently some koreans hate him because of 2 things. First, he represents all that's OP with the Terran race. Secondly, his ultra solid playstyle is perceived as boring.
I don't know why people would dislike MVP. Afaik he's well mannered, also he's an honorable player; I remember him saying that the 1-1-1 build should be banned in tournaments. That comes from a guy who plays Terran for a living. Seriously he's a sick nerd baller in my book
Not surprised MVP is pissed. He was basically told the entire year that the #1 player at the end of the year in GSL points would be automatically in the Blizzard Cup finals and automatically getting the same amount even if he lost as the person whoever wins the new formatted Blizzard Cup. MVP, MC, etc. were always saying in their interviews all year how important it was to be atop the GSL rankings in December due to the extra perks of the Blizzard Cup. Now getting first in the GSL really isn't that big of an accomplishment, and even if he does win the tournament, he'll make half of the original prize for the winner.
5) Blizzard Cup (1 tournament a year in December) – Invitational - The top 10 players of the point ranking of that year will play in a play-off type tournament. - Day 1 : 10th place vs. 9th place, Day 2 : Winner vs. 8th place and so on. - There will be 1 best of 7 matches a day
Don't remember too many specifics about the prize pool but the current blizzard cup is "only" 68,000,000 KRW and I'm almost certain the original one was at least or around 100,000,000 KRW.
they are certainly upset that the they fight the entire year to get into these places and now only top 3 can make it via the original system (base on GSL points for the year). not the mention the lower prize pool
Blizzard Cup (original prize pool) 10th place : 1,500,000won 9th place : 3,000,000won 8th place : 5,000,000won 7th place : 7,000,000won 6th place : 9,000,000won 5th place : 12,000,000won 4th place : 15,000,000won 3rd place : 20,000,000won Runner-up : 30,000,000won Champion : 50,000,000won
On October 12 2011 09:43 Wunder wrote: Weird talk about the Blizzard Cup stuff - I wonder what the original plan was, qualifiying and prize pool wise.
Also find it a bit strange that people dislike MVP. Do people just dislike Terrans in general and hate on the top guy? Who knows I suppose...
The original blizzard cup format
5) Blizzard Cup (1 tournament a year in December) – Invitational - The top 10 players of the point ranking of that year will play in a play-off type tournament. - Day 1 : 10th place vs. 9th place, Day 2 : Winner vs. 8th place and so on. - There will be 1 best of 7 matches a day
Don't remember too many specifics about the prize pool but the current blizzard cup is "only" 68,000,000 KRW and I'm almost certain the original one was at least or around 100,000,000 KRW.
they are certainly upset that the they fight the entire year to get into these places and now only top 3 can make it via the original system (base on GSL points for the year). not the mention the lower prize pool
Blizzard Cup (original prize pool) 10th place : 1,500,000won 9th place : 3,000,000won 8th place : 5,000,000won 7th place : 7,000,000won 6th place : 9,000,000won 5th place : 12,000,000won 4th place : 15,000,000won 3rd place : 20,000,000won Runner-up : 30,000,000won Champion : 50,000,000won
Damn the new prize pool is less than half of the original. I guess GOM learned their lesson from the Super Tournament. That had an enormous prize pool but ultimately felt like just another GSL. Hopefully GOM allocates the money that was supposed to go to the Blizzard Cup into expanding the GSTL. Hopefully the lesser prize isn't because they're having financial difficulties.
Q: This battle against Nestea seemed to be the most difficult. A: To be honest, every battle against him is hard. But this time the battle over the score was very difficult. I don't think I ever beat him 3:2 before, so since it went to the final game and I won today, I felt thrilled. This was the first time I ever had a Best of 5 go to the final game, so it was really fun.
On October 12 2011 09:43 Wunder wrote: Weird talk about the Blizzard Cup stuff - I wonder what the original plan was, qualifiying and prize pool wise.
Also find it a bit strange that people dislike MVP. Do people just dislike Terrans in general and hate on the top guy? Who knows I suppose...
The original blizzard cup format
5) Blizzard Cup (1 tournament a year in December) – Invitational - The top 10 players of the point ranking of that year will play in a play-off type tournament. - Day 1 : 10th place vs. 9th place, Day 2 : Winner vs. 8th place and so on. - There will be 1 best of 7 matches a day
Don't remember too many specifics about the prize pool but the current blizzard cup is "only" 68,000,000 KRW and I'm almost certain the original one was at least or around 100,000,000 KRW.
they are certainly upset that the they fight the entire year to get into these places and now only top 3 can make it via the original system (base on GSL points for the year). not the mention the lower prize pool
Blizzard Cup (original prize pool) 10th place : 1,500,000won 9th place : 3,000,000won 8th place : 5,000,000won 7th place : 7,000,000won 6th place : 9,000,000won 5th place : 12,000,000won 4th place : 15,000,000won 3rd place : 20,000,000won Runner-up : 30,000,000won Champion : 50,000,000won
Damn the new prize pool is less than half of the original. I guess GOM learned their lesson from the Super Tournament. That had an enormous prize pool but ultimately felt like just another GSL. Hopefully GOM allocates the money that was supposed to go to the Blizzard Cup into expanding the GSTL. Hopefully the lesser prize isn't because they're having financial difficulties.
but this is the battle of the best so why wouldnt the prize pool be the same or even higher??
Ganzi beat MVP before and Ganzi's TvT is shown to be good, i wonder if it will be Ganzi vs MMA. If not, then MVP vs MMA would be cool too. Ganzi vs Happy would also be interesting, as Happy is on MVP's team and lesser terran and Ganzi is on MMA's team but generally considered to be the lesser terran.
I don't mind TvT, as long as it has great TvT players like MMA MVP Bomber Ryung Ganzi etc.
On October 12 2011 09:43 Wunder wrote: Weird talk about the Blizzard Cup stuff - I wonder what the original plan was, qualifiying and prize pool wise.
Also find it a bit strange that people dislike MVP. Do people just dislike Terrans in general and hate on the top guy? Who knows I suppose...
The original blizzard cup format
5) Blizzard Cup (1 tournament a year in December) – Invitational - The top 10 players of the point ranking of that year will play in a play-off type tournament. - Day 1 : 10th place vs. 9th place, Day 2 : Winner vs. 8th place and so on. - There will be 1 best of 7 matches a day
Don't remember too many specifics about the prize pool but the current blizzard cup is "only" 68,000,000 KRW and I'm almost certain the original one was at least or around 100,000,000 KRW.
they are certainly upset that the they fight the entire year to get into these places and now only top 3 can make it via the original system (base on GSL points for the year). not the mention the lower prize pool
Blizzard Cup (original prize pool) 10th place : 1,500,000won 9th place : 3,000,000won 8th place : 5,000,000won 7th place : 7,000,000won 6th place : 9,000,000won 5th place : 12,000,000won 4th place : 15,000,000won 3rd place : 20,000,000won Runner-up : 30,000,000won Champion : 50,000,000won
Damn the new prize pool is less than half of the original. I guess GOM learned their lesson from the Super Tournament. That had an enormous prize pool but ultimately felt like just another GSL. Hopefully GOM allocates the money that was supposed to go to the Blizzard Cup into expanding the GSTL. Hopefully the lesser prize isn't because they're having financial difficulties.
Actually the reason would most likely be the flight costs/hotel fees for the foreign tournament winners cutting into the prize pool. Especially for the Europeans + Show Spoiler +
since Stephano lives in France and he won IPL3
It wouldn't make sense for a qualified player to the Blizzard cup to not have their expenses fully comp'd by Gom for them to come to Korea and play. There may be other factors involved as well, but covering the foreign players isn't free, the money has to come from somewhere.
Being called 'Blizzard Cup' to me sounds like Blizz would be footing a lot of the bill, otherwise wouldn't it be called some form of 'GSL....' tournament instead? Just seems weird that GOM would need to reduce the prize pool by so much.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
On October 12 2011 09:33 red4ce wrote: Lol Woongjin terrans taking 2 of the top 4 and 3 of the top 8. Crazy world we live in. Imagine what SKT zergs could do to the scene.
I'm just waiting for KT Protoss to come rip it up and restore racial balance.
On October 12 2011 09:33 red4ce wrote: Lol Woongjin terrans taking 2 of the top 4 and 3 of the top 8. Crazy world we live in. Imagine what SKT zergs could do to the scene.
I'm just waiting for KT Protoss to come rip it up and restore racial balance.
The remains of Stats' chin will become sentient and be a starcraft 2 pro. Calling it now.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
On October 12 2011 12:44 Talih wrote: Being called 'Blizzard Cup' to me sounds like Blizz would be footing a lot of the bill, otherwise wouldn't it be called some form of 'GSL....' tournament instead? Just seems weird that GOM would need to reduce the prize pool by so much.
maybe the reduced prize pool was to compensate for the expansion of GSTL which was not on their original plan.
MVP is gonna kill esports these next two months! GSL, Blizzcon and the MLG global korean tournament! Then if he wins that, he wins an all expenses trip to providence!
Q: Your next opponent will definitely be a Woongjin Terran. [T/N Ganzi, Supernova, and MVP all played on Woongjin in Brood War] A: I made a living alongside those two players in Woongjin for all my Starcraft 1 days. We all know each other well. It will be tough whoever advances. But I'm still confident I can beat either of them (laughs).
Lol Woongjin terrans taking 2 of the top 4 and 3 of the top 8. Crazy world we live in. Imagine what SKT zergs could do to the scene.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
The things you just said about playing outside the box, and getting involved in the community have no relationship at all. You're confusing so many things in trying to invent dislike for a player, it doesn't make sense
Hate him for playing standard, but don't hate him because his team can't afford to fly him everywhere like Slayers.
I don't personally hate him (why would anyone?) but I find his games are becoming more and more boring. I think this probably reflects his solidness and all-roundness, but some flashy plays here and there would help gaining fans.
I've heard that the huge majority of korean fans are fangirls? If that is true then it makes sense that MVP isn't as well liked since I doubt they actually understand the game at a decent level so they prefer flashiness over being solid.
I would trade 'flashiness' for a chance at USD50,000 any day...Though i don't even know what flashiness really is...the tendency to base trade?(MKP) or just unorthodox play like boxer cancelling structures when scouted?.. imo the build MVP used yesterday + Show Spoiler +
where he used mass blue flame into mech was about as creative as it could get in TvZ.
. Anyway to each his own, hope MVP gets his 4th GSL and get his wrists treated asap, would be a shame to see him not able to perform to his full potential.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
The things you just said about playing outside the box, and getting involved in the community have no relationship at all. You're confusing so many things in trying to invent dislike for a player, it doesn't make sense
Hate him for playing standard, but don't hate him because his team can't afford to fly him everywhere like Slayers.
Okay sorry about adding that extra stuff I know it was sidetracking but I am just stating more reasons why MVP isn't as appeasing. I was only adding to my original dislike of his style of being to standard. It's not that I hate his personality or anything it's just as a watcher I want to see something more than the "standard" builds which I can see from any other player. In a summary I just prefer unique people with unique play styles rather than MVP's standard one. I'm not trying to stir up hate for MVP I was just stating my opinions on the his style because a lot of people are confused to why people don't like MVP. I know a lot of people feel the same way as I do.
got to remember that in Korea people LOVE on some MKP. MVP made him cry twice! Probably not a lot of love back at home for MVP. Sad, we foreigners (at least a large portion) love us some MVP (and MKP)
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
On October 12 2011 14:55 Lokian wrote: im not sure why i dont like mvp as much as i like other players of lesser calibur... maybe because nothing epic ever happens in his games?
when i watch mvp play, i don't expect much in the entertainment side of things. also to add, his personality in these interviews seems bland too.
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
sounds like somebody needs to go watch last gsl final's first game and then come back and voice his opinion. most interesting epic tvt I've ever seen (in sc2)
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
On October 12 2011 14:55 Lokian wrote:
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
He's whining because alot of players that ARENT in the Top 3 Slots got SHAFTED.
He himself lost out on nearly nothing, besides a little prize money, but everyone who was fighting for those top 10 slots, the 7 that had been told they would make it, suddenly are out.
He's voicing out for players who might not get a chance to, and you're misinterpreting it and using it as an exuse to him. My god the hypocrisy these days.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
QFT lol, undeniably true
i feel like these 'flashy' or 'unique' traits of other players stand out more because their other aspects are lacking in comparison to whatever they excel in, resulting in wins primarily due to that certain feature. example being MMA's relentless attacks/multipronged drops/harass in tvz,
micro of mkp..
and straight up macros better than the best zergs/everyone in general, with exception of bomber in the past during biomech tvts :o
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
I wouldn't say that considering that MMA has especially been doing really well for himself even beating MVP in 2 bo5s so you can't really say that MVP outclasses everyone in every way, but MarineKing I could agree I guess considering his slump. I guess I just like them because they are always seen as players who can't get the top and it would be awesome to see them in a close series taking out a giant like MVP. Also I really don't believe they are that much worse if not at all, you can flame me all you want but I believe this.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
He's whining because alot of players that ARENT in the Top 3 Slots got SHAFTED.
He himself lost out on nearly nothing, besides a little prize money, but everyone who was fighting for those top 10 slots, the 7 that had been told they would make it, suddenly are out.
He's voicing out for players who might not get a chance to, and you're misinterpreting it and using it as an exuse to him. My god the hypocrisy these days.
If MVP got a problem with that, he should take it to gomTV not the media. why the hell would he de-value a tournament in which he was invited to win thousands of dollars. high chair much? just cuz his friends didn't get a slot doesn't mean he has to take it out on the people that made it even possible.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
On October 12 2011 14:55 Lokian wrote:
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
He's whining because alot of players that ARENT in the Top 3 Slots got SHAFTED.
He himself lost out on nearly nothing, besides a little prize money, but everyone who was fighting for those top 10 slots, the 7 that had been told they would make it, suddenly are out.
He's voicing out for players who might not get a chance to, and you're misinterpreting it and using it as an exuse to him. My god the hypocrisy these days.
If MVP got a problem with that, he should take it to gomTV not the media. why the hell would he de-value a tournament in which he was invited to win thousands of dollars. high chair much? just cuz his friends didn't get a slot doesn't mean he has to take it out on the people that made it even possible by underhandingly publically criticizing blizzard cup.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
On October 12 2011 14:55 Lokian wrote:
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
He's whining because alot of players that ARENT in the Top 3 Slots got SHAFTED.
He himself lost out on nearly nothing, besides a little prize money, but everyone who was fighting for those top 10 slots, the 7 that had been told they would make it, suddenly are out.
He's voicing out for players who might not get a chance to, and you're misinterpreting it and using it as an exuse to him. My god the hypocrisy these days.
If MVP got a problem with that, he should take it to gomTV not the media. why the hell would he de-value a tournament in which he was invited to win thousands of dollars. high chair much? just cuz his friends didn't get a slot doesn't mean he has to take it out on the people that made it even possible.
go to page 1
click the first spoiler
read the background text that says "GOMTV"
who else was he saying it to lol?
a tournament that's been in the works forever, goes through last second changes without notifying the players involved (originally or not) -> rough situation, anyone can understand that o_o how would you feel if you had shit flipped around last second
and either way it doesn't effect him besides the prize money lol, he's rank1 seeded anyway, it's just in regards to the late change, in a sense 'unfair' for the players that initially thought they would qualify
Yeah this is why GOM shouldn't have changed the format. Everyone liked it as it was.All the new format does is force the players to fly overseas even more. Is that really the best interest for GOM?
On October 12 2011 11:43 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Ganzi beat MVP before and Ganzi's TvT is shown to be good, i wonder if it will be Ganzi vs MMA. If not, then MVP vs MMA would be cool too. Ganzi vs Happy would also be interesting, as Happy is on MVP's team and lesser terran and Ganzi is on MMA's team but generally considered to be the lesser terran.
I don't mind TvT, as long as it has great TvT players like MMA MVP Bomber Ryung Ganzi etc.
I take it you did not watch the ganzi vs supernova match yesterday.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
On October 12 2011 14:55 Lokian wrote:
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
He's whining because alot of players that ARENT in the Top 3 Slots got SHAFTED.
He himself lost out on nearly nothing, besides a little prize money, but everyone who was fighting for those top 10 slots, the 7 that had been told they would make it, suddenly are out.
He's voicing out for players who might not get a chance to, and you're misinterpreting it and using it as an exuse to him. My god the hypocrisy these days.
If MVP got a problem with that, he should take it to gomTV not the media. why the hell would he de-value a tournament in which he was invited to win thousands of dollars. high chair much? just cuz his friends didn't get a slot doesn't mean he has to take it out on the people that made it even possible.
He isn't devaluing anything. All you're trying to do is extract drama out of nothing.
MVP is disliked in Korea because of his game against CreatorPrime (a middle schooler), not because he's a Terran. He got beaten by CreatorPrime, so in the next game when MVP got ahead he drew out the game for a long time so he could use nukes to embarrass Creator. Ever since then he's been known as Jung Jol Lyul instead of Jung Jong Hyun. Jol Lyul means something along the lines of shameful.
On October 12 2011 16:09 Clefairy wrote: MVP is disliked in Korea because of his game against MaruPrime (a middle schooler), not because he's a Terran. He got beaten by MaruPrime, so in the next game when MVP got ahead he drew out the game for a long time so he could use nukes to embarrass Maru. Ever since then he's been known as Jung Jol Lyul instead of Jung Jong Hyun. Jol Lyul means something along the lines of shameful.
i looked through his games he never played maru or is someone else?
On October 12 2011 16:09 Clefairy wrote: MVP is disliked in Korea because of his game against MaruPrime (a middle schooler), not because he's a Terran. He got beaten by MaruPrime, so in the next game when MVP got ahead he drew out the game for a long time so he could use nukes to embarrass Maru. Ever since then he's been known as Jung Jol Lyul instead of Jung Jong Hyun. Jol Lyul means something along the lines of shameful.
i looked through his games he never played maru or is someone else?
I think that it may have been creatorprime. I recall him nuking him. MVP is one of my favorite players even if I am a zerg :D
I'll never understand people who say MVP's style is boring. True maybe he doesn't always play a flashy style, but he's one of the very few terrans that consistently shows innovative strategies in his GSL matches. For example, how about that game against Ryung in the GSTL where he made a quick battlecruiser switch--the first time battlecruisers were seriously used in the GSL? Or how about the crazy thor and ghost drop he pulled off against TOP where he nuked his entire base?
On October 12 2011 16:09 Clefairy wrote: MVP is disliked in Korea because of his game against CreatorPrime (a middle schooler), not because he's a Terran. He got beaten by CreatorPrime, so in the next game when MVP got ahead he drew out the game for a long time so he could use nukes to embarrass Creator. Ever since then he's been known as Jung Jol Lyul instead of Jung Jong Hyun. Jol Lyul means something along the lines of shameful.
If the game was so over that he could use nukes to kill him shouldn't it be creators fault for not leaving the game?
On October 12 2011 09:37 dtz wrote: eh really mvp is disliked by fans of other races?
I always got the impression that having your player from your races beaten by MVP is considered an alright thing. Something like, oh well it's mvp , he is the better player and would probably still have beaten his opponent regardless of races.
I'm a Zerg fanboy through and through, but I love MVP. I hope he takes this GSL and shows us awesome games in the Blizzcon finals
Q: Your next opponent will definitely be a Woongjin Terran. [T/N Ganzi, Supernova, and MVP all played on Woongjin in Brood War] A: I made a living alongside those two players in Woongjin for all my Starcraft 1 days. We all know each other well. It will be tough whoever advances. But I'm still confident I can beat either of them (laughs).
Lol Woongjin terrans taking 2 of the top 4 and 3 of the top 8. Crazy world we live in. Imagine what SKT zergs could do to the scene.
Wtf? Can we possibly get someone who is able to get in contact with MVP to tell him he is a very well loved and respected player? D: Why does he think he doesn't have a lot of fans? :'(
On October 12 2011 11:43 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Ganzi beat MVP before and Ganzi's TvT is shown to be good, i wonder if it will be Ganzi vs MMA. If not, then MVP vs MMA would be cool too. Ganzi vs Happy would also be interesting, as Happy is on MVP's team and lesser terran and Ganzi is on MMA's team but generally considered to be the lesser terran.
I don't mind TvT, as long as it has great TvT players like MMA MVP Bomber Ryung Ganzi etc.
I take it you did not watch the ganzi vs supernova match yesterday.
That has little impact. It's often that players can play badly and then raise their game. People remember aLive for his atrocious games against Darkforce but in the Ro32 groups, he totally schooled a top player like TOP. Additionally in the previous OSL, Fantasy played pretty badly against Calm but he completely rolled the favourite Stork to win.
Ganzi wasn't able to practise properly so it's obvious his results would sway. However his pasts results speak for themselves, at the top of his game then he can give MVP a good match
I'm a zerg player, and I really think that MVP is the only terran player who completly deserves his success. His multitask is amazing, I remember a game between him and DRG where he played a perfect marine tank, it felt like a symphony. The only thing that is missing with him is his personnality outside the game, most of the time he is a little bit boring and doesn't do a lot for his fan, but I value his skill way more that this.
Anyone notice this little tidbit at the end of Ganzi's interview?
Q: Anything else you want to say? A: A lot of players helped me practice, but I can't mention them all so I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. Slayers_Lots helped but I think I stressed him out a lot. I'm sorry about that (laughs). Also, our team's sponsorship contract is ending soon, but I hope that we can all show good results and get an even better living than currently.
I hope SlayerS doesn't lose their sponsors and get into money troubles.
Also regarding MVP's dominance, I don't know why people enjoy one person dominating the entire scene for a period of time. It just makes things stale.
On October 12 2011 16:58 Chicane wrote: Wtf? Can we possibly get someone who is able to get in contact with MVP to tell him he is a very well loved and respected player? D: Why does he think he doesn't have a lot of fans? :'(
You can probably tweet him, and he might see. He responded to quite a lot of people yesterday on twitter after his win. I agree by the way, it is a bit disheartening that he said that. If there is any Terran who deserves all of their success, it is certainly MVP. He has proven time and again why he is considered one of the top two players in the world along with Nestea.
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
Except he has better multitasking than MMA, and better micro than MarineKing, and better macro than everyone.
i dont like his last comment about the blizzard cup. its like he's whining cuz things didn't go the korean way or something...
He's whining because alot of players that ARENT in the Top 3 Slots got SHAFTED.
He himself lost out on nearly nothing, besides a little prize money, but everyone who was fighting for those top 10 slots, the 7 that had been told they would make it, suddenly are out.
He's voicing out for players who might not get a chance to, and you're misinterpreting it and using it as an exuse to him. My god the hypocrisy these days.
Bettet micro than MKP? Did you even watch his games against NesTea? His micro was nowhere near as good as MKP this serie, and other series at best his micro was almost as goid as MKP, not better lol. Weird that he has haters in korea, even if he doesnt have a lot of fans in foreign, nobody hates him and everyone recognizes him as the best player in the world.
Always nice to hear what players were thinking in certain situations of their games. Did not know about the Blizzard Cup changes too. Thanks for the translation and keep up the good work!
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I dislike him because his style is so standard and he really doesn't make you want to root for him. That's just my opinion but a lot of people share it with me. Idk there is something more than skill that comes when rooting for a player, you need personality, emotion, and a storyline. In MVP's case he is like a bad tyrant and everyone wants their underdog rebel to overthrow him...
Take MarineKing, MMA, and even Boxer for example. They may not have as many titles as MVP, but they all show unique play and are really neat innovators making you want to root for them so you can see them happy.
So you dislike him for being so solidly good. Makes sense I guess.
I can't tell if your being sarcastic because sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. But yea that is exactly why I don't like MVP. He really doesn't get involved in the community and doesn't have much of a style other than safe, macro, and standard. Sure that is good to watch and say that this is how you play Terran. But as a fan I would much rather see someone who goes outside of the box and really shows his personality and style. It is more entertaining imo. Not saying that MVP isn't good he just doesn't excite me that much when he plays.
I don't know what you're talking about. in all his series against Nestea he did an all-in, he even was the first Terran to bunker block the natural on belshir beach. he is always doing something incredible, his play is amazing, I really don't know how can you not see it.
I acknowledge that he is an amazing player if not the best in the world. But for me I just don't like the way he plays. It's not mind blowing like watching MMA's multitasking or MarineKing's micro. It's just a guy doing text book builds, which can still call for the occasional all in, which is why I find MVP games rather dull. And the game on bel shir beach was just a standard bunker block lol... Nestea just did a really bad job defending.
I advise you to watch the game vs zenio in gsl s2. He showed some amazing marinemicro against banelings and this was before (or the same round?) mkp played vs kyrix. Also watch the gisado cups before season 3 started.
The thing about mvp is that he has the micro of mkp, the multitasking of mma and the brain of nestea. So when he plays he doesn't need to rely solely on one of those things and rather mix them togheter. So sometimes it will look solid and "boring", but just remember that if he needs to, he can and will bring out all those things.
A: There are a lot of people who dislike me, so fans who defend me have to endure a lot of trials. I'm personally alright. Because of that I hope that people won't suffer in order to defend me.
poor MVP. seems the love he gets in Korea doesn't match the number of fans he has here at TL
Hey WTF, are there really a lot of Mvp haters out there ? This guy is not only the best sc2 player in the world but also looks quite funny and clever... not a single possible reason to hate him... maybe he's just too good and it annoys some people...
It is not money or GSL ranking that makes MVP sad.
It is how Gomtv's decion-making goes on.
They always don't care what is progamer's thinking and just ignored them and don't process the discussion democratically.
MVP just pointed out.
(Sorry my english is not good but I understand MVP's thinking)
MVP also wants to compete the players all around the world but if Gomtv gave them a "settled plan", they need to stick to or at least they should announce if they wanna change it.
But Gomtv just changed the "Blizzard Cup" (settled plan for a long period) without discussing with any other progamers involved in directly
I'm always happy to read about MKP and MVP working together. Also Ganzi seems like a nice guy. I think hes got a better chance than people give him credit for to make the finals. He beat MVP in a Bo3 in the GSL Super Tournament, and beat MKP in the Code A finals. I am a fan of his shoutout to MKP in his Ro16 interview: + Show Spoiler +
"During practice I examined Marineking's games a lot, and as expected he's a really good player. While watching other players' games, it's very rare for them to be fun, but Marineking's games were really interesting. I hope that we can become friends in the future."
Interesting that MVP worked with FXO_GuMiHo to practice; GuMiHo being one of the few people to defeat NesTea recently. Him + MKP's great TvZ sound like pretty good practice partners.
So you hate progamers just because their playstyle is solid and "standard"?
LOL. What a lovely mentality you have!
I think MVP is just more than standard.
He is just ahead of the curve. (see 22 ghosts in the vs July game)
btw, I can def insist that MVP's multitasking is better than any other players even than MMA.
Watch game 1 vs NesTea. MVP just relentlessly attacked and harrassed NesTea's drones in multi-direction simultaneously ,and most importantly, he could macro perfectly at the same time (differenciate him with MMA)
i don't know how any sc2 fan would dislike MVP. he has near perfect mechanics and great game sense. and i lol so hard @ people who said his micro/multitasking/even macro is worse than X only because in X game he did blah blah blah. he's a human after all, but he shows the most consistency and plays very solid most of the time. its a very weak argument to say he's worse than x in an area just because of a mistake he made and ignoring the fact that x also made mistakes. the reason that mvp is so good, is because he has no glaring weakness.
On October 12 2011 16:09 Clefairy wrote: MVP is disliked in Korea because of his game against CreatorPrime (a middle schooler), not because he's a Terran. He got beaten by CreatorPrime, so in the next game when MVP got ahead he drew out the game for a long time so he could use nukes to embarrass Creator. Ever since then he's been known as Jung Jol Lyul instead of Jung Jong Hyun. Jol Lyul means something along the lines of shameful.
To Clefairy.
In an interview, he said he tried to play safely because well-upgraded protoss troops are very powerful indeed. and his decison-making turns out very reasonable after Creator killed 4 TSL players showing how "up-toss" is scarry. After that GSTL『Prime vs TSL』, even some Korean anti-fans understand MVP's thinking and gave up calling him a bad guy. Don't try to devalue someone valuable players like MVP.
On October 12 2011 11:43 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Ganzi beat MVP before and Ganzi's TvT is shown to be good, i wonder if it will be Ganzi vs MMA. If not, then MVP vs MMA would be cool too. Ganzi vs Happy would also be interesting, as Happy is on MVP's team and lesser terran and Ganzi is on MMA's team but generally considered to be the lesser terran.
I don't mind TvT, as long as it has great TvT players like MMA MVP Bomber Ryung Ganzi etc.
I take it you did not watch the ganzi vs supernova match yesterday.
That has little impact. It's often that players can play badly and then raise their game. People remember aLive for his atrocious games against Darkforce but in the Ro32 groups, he totally schooled a top player like TOP. Additionally in the previous OSL, Fantasy played pretty badly against Calm but he completely rolled the favourite Stork to win.
Ganzi wasn't able to practise properly so it's obvious his results would sway. However his pasts results speak for themselves, at the top of his game then he can give MVP a good match
Your logic is very funny. If then, What about MVP being criticized harshly without any proprer reason (maybe from some retarded haters' perspective) after vs Creator? He def got a depression after that and it must affect MVP's game vs Ganzi. It can explain why MVP lost so weakly.
btw the official GSL record is 2-2 and overall record is 5-3 for MVP because MVP destoyed GanZi in MLG Anaheim 2-1 and WCG.
On October 12 2011 20:00 namste wrote: There is nothing but love for Mvp here <33
Yeh! I can not believe people hate him. I will admit he is not my favorite player, but I do admit he is the best player at the moment. I admire him for his skill and I LOVE watching him play.
I'll cheer for him whenever! ( except vs grubby, mma, boxer, Nada, or Mkp)
Aw, I feel bad that MVP feels he has so many haters.
Thanks for the interviews. A good word to use instead of "dogmatic" might've been "arbitrary," which means not only "based on random choice or personal whim," but also "unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority."
On October 12 2011 09:52 Vaelone wrote: I had no idea that people disliked MVP.
Where does that even originate? He seems mannered, is probably the best player in the world atm and hardly cheeses and so on.
I don't think people dislike him per se..
People just don't seem to get as excited about him as much as they do with other players relative to their wins and performance. One thing that comes to mind is topics and headlines about MMA were more visible after MLG Anaheim where MVP actually beat MMA in the final.
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Ganzi said it, not me :D
