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DMII
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany92 Posts
October 10 2011 20:59 GMT
#941
Hopefully it is an other morphed unit. Morphing stuff fits so well to the zerg theme of adapting to the battle. (Also it looks like it would morph from a Roach, which would be really cool :D )
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3DGlaDOS
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany607 Posts
October 10 2011 21:00 GMT
#942
It's a Banelisk :D
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Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
October 10 2011 21:00 GMT
#943
Possibly like the immortal but can burrow/siege and attack air?
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goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
October 10 2011 21:00 GMT
#944
A roach with destructible rocks on the back!
Hexxed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States202 Posts
October 10 2011 21:01 GMT
#945
I wonder if it is impervious to marine fire. Otherwise I might not be interested... A lurker would be nice.
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Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
October 10 2011 21:03 GMT
#946
Now that i think about it, it would be cool if its has a decent ranged attack normally and that it gets a aoe AA when it burrows or something.

Wouldn't want it to be too similiar to a Siege Tank.. ^^
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hytonight
Profile Joined April 2011
303 Posts
October 10 2011 21:04 GMT
#947
i guess we will find out at blizzcon...thats on the 29th right?
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Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
October 10 2011 21:04 GMT
#948
Speculation has made puph angry. 25 pages of suggestions and I feel like my brain has been dulled down a few notched :D
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Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
October 10 2011 21:04 GMT
#949
On October 11 2011 06:04 hytonight wrote:
i guess we will find out at blizzcon...thats on the 29th right?


20th according to wikipedia
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
October 10 2011 21:05 GMT
#950
On October 11 2011 05:58 PDizzle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 05:47 Chargelot wrote:
[image loading]

Concept art from forever ago for a HoTS unit. It's not a baneling. Parhaps it is something similar to this.

ding ding ding
looks like we have a winner!
or else it's just some kind of upgraded bling, but i doubt it.


Still looks like a baneling to me...
loleraserheadz112
Profile Joined January 2011
United States63 Posts
October 10 2011 21:05 GMT
#951
Kind of off topic but, has anyone noticed how the concept art of that Zerg unit looks like it was designed to kill; it is sleek, muscular and looks agile, yet the creatures the Zerg has in-game are slow, cumbersome and to be blunt, cute. Hope the Swarm gets a terrifying transformation in HotS.
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Marth753
Profile Joined October 2010
United States40 Posts
October 10 2011 21:06 GMT
#952
Has Blizzard said anything about actually announcing what these two units are going to do/ what they are? Or is the assumption as of now that these units are going to be revealed at Blizzcon?

Personally I think it's going to be something like a roach meat shield just based on the size of the thing on its back. You toggle between defense and attack positions and use the defense positions to get your melee units into the enemy lines without taking too much damage or something, almost like a counter-siege tank unit. I'm still not sure what the uses would be in PvZ or ZvZ but who knows.
Kireak
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden358 Posts
October 10 2011 21:06 GMT
#953
probably a siege unit that shoots banelings.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
October 10 2011 21:08 GMT
#954
If it's not a lurker equivalent I will cry
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ectonym
Profile Joined July 2010
United States147 Posts
October 10 2011 21:08 GMT
#955
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 11 2011 03:56 Zelniq wrote:
______________________

Okay so after writing this post I had a bit of on epiphany:

So the front 2 claw-legs (yes both, see the bottom of this post) are clearly designed for tunneling, probably for tunneling deep into the earth. Notice the extended arm to the claw, with the joint towards the end to allow it to pivot as well.
Now look at the rear claws. MUCH shorter, and no extended 'arms.' However it's still a claw, it can still likely dig somewhat into the earth. But really they're just for movement and keeping it standing. Also notice the 3 spikes jutting from it's belly, also to help a little with the digging.

So my theory is that the front 2 claws will allow it to burrow itself heavily towards the front, submerging its entire head, while the back claws will only burrow a short amount, relative to the front. It would become a sort of siege-like unit that attacks while burrowed. Perhaps the reasoning is that the cannon's recoil is too strong to be used while standing on claws, so it needs to burrow itself to stabilize it, much like a siege tank. So basically while burrowed the only thing above the ground would be its hardened shell-cannon back. Hardened to protect itself of course...

...But then the question lies with the opening or "cannon." It seems as though it would be nearly parallel to the surface, and lay just atop it. What kind of cannon lies just above the ground? Perhaps it's not a cannon (or other such way to shoot something out of it), but then why would they design a hole there? And how would it attack? It's claws aren't designed for attacking, and it has no other visible way to attack. It's no caster, it doesn't just sit there, surely something has to come out of that opening, but what? Something unique, that we haven't seen before perhaps?

Another question that arises is despite being burrowed, wouldn't the shell-cannon be target-able? Meaning you don't need detection to attack it? Not sure..

But anyway I'm still sticking by the front-heavy burrow theory as being the major feature of this new unit.
______________________

so here is what I can gather:

It's obviously not a spellcaster, and the only way it could possibly attack is through that 'cannon' on top of it. The cannon looks beefy, kind of like a shell, although the opening is clearly narrow, it possibly widens towards the back, that part is unclear though.
The cannon is also long and aimed directly forward..clearly attacking ground units, and likely long ranged. Without the ability to attack air, it's just further evidence that it's ground attack is pretty strong, unless the cannon can be pivoted to point upwards, but that seems unlikely as there doesn't appear to be anything to allow it to do that. As for launching banes, well the opening is way too small for that. Note the opening has sharp edges and is clearly rigid.

With 4 claw-like legs that are decently long, it's going to be fairly mobile but not as quick as the 6 legged roach, but certainly not slow like the hydralisk which has to wiggle like a snake. This is my greatest concern, I had really hoped they learned their lesson with the colossus that powerful siege units should not also be mobile, but rather be incredibly immobile like the siege tank/lurker was..basically "controlling space," putting a few units at a ramp or choke and knowing that area was secure.

There is however the chance that it can only attack while burrowed. The "reasoning" could be that above ground it's unable to brace for the recoil of the powerful cannon attack, so it needs to burrow its long claws to root itself firmly.
This idea isn't new of course, as the siege tank functions the exact same way almost and is not unlike the lurker in this respect either. Perhaps the cannon will act more as a shell to protect it while above ground.
Like I said the claws definitely look meant for tunneling, especially with the way the 'arm' extends out to the claw. It certainly was intentional for it to look like it has a strong ability to tunnel. It's unlikely that it can move while burrowed as it lacks the 2 frontal claws that look like they can dig ahead of them, that both the roach/infestor share.
Also Starcraft 2's zerg is the only race out of the "6" (between both games) that lacks any unit that can attack while burrowed, banelings don't quite count.. as all the units that attack while burrowed (banshee, dt, lurker, wraith, ghost) can attack the enemy constantly while invisible and forces defender to get detection. It only seems natural they'd add some unit to do this, and Burrow is zerg's way of being invisible.

It's almost certainly a mutated form of a hydralisk. The head resembles it much too closely, which is the feature you'd assume would remain somewhat the same in a mutation. Also they've said they are replacing/removing units, units that they don't like in its current state. The hydralisk is a great example of an unliked, fairly un-used unit. The question however is that is this new unit something you mutate in-game from the hydralisk, or mutated 'out of game' to replace it? If it mutated in-game they'd have to make some changes to the hydralisk, if I had to guess I'd think this unit just "replaces" the hydralisk, and zerg will get some other new and better unit to be their ground-to-air unit, as well as a replacement to corruptor as their air-to-air unit (they've basically stated the corruptor is gone).

Also, as for why the 2 front legs seem to be different, I agree with this picture:

[image loading]

There's no reason for it to have mismatched front legs, and look at the 3 ridges near the bottom of the leg, they match each other. The rest of the shape matches, and the way it comes to a point towards the top matches as well.



I want to take everything Zelniq said but replace the type of artillery this thing fires. Does anyone remember Razor Plague? (Karune's article where it was mentioned) Here were Razor Plague's abilities: Creates a controllable swarm cloud that deals damage to enemy units inside it.

Given that there was a lot of talk about the sharpness of the 'mouth of the cannon,' might it make sense that this new Zerg creature carries a bunch of tiny creatures in it's sac and that sharp-edged opening is the exit? That would mean the creature would have to burrow (as per Zelniq) to unleash it's attack: the cloud of tiny critters. It could be used as a sort of dark swarm-esque position-grabbing offensive spell. This could be really useful for the Swarm in holding onto positions.

It's an ability Blizzard once already had and could be revived. So....Hydralisk mutation that only attacks while burrowed and uses that sac on it's back to fire Razor Swarm. called it ^^
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SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
October 10 2011 21:10 GMT
#956
On October 11 2011 02:05 Daralii wrote:
So I decided to put together a very, very rough model based on the silhouette, just to get a better idea of the geometry.

[image loading]


I think this should be added to the op, this is very good and informative.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 10 2011 21:11 GMT
#957
I don't know why people pass off the idea of a baneling hurling unit as being not possible. it facilitates something players already do (baneling drops) with a possible better, mabye even cheaper delivery mechanic. If it was the only unit Zerg got yes it would suck, but as an addition it would be a pretty nice unit to have if it say had siege tank range and could fire mabye 2 banes at once.
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JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 10 2011 21:13 GMT
#958
On October 11 2011 06:11 Slusher wrote:
I don't know why people pass off the idea of a baneling hurling unit as being not possible. it facilitates something players already do (baneling drops) with a possible better, mabye even cheaper delivery mechanic. If it was the only unit Zerg got yes it would suck, but as an addition it would be a pretty nice unit to have if it say had siege tank range and could fire mabye 2 banes at once.


Well for one thing, that's what we call a reaver.
Yargh
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
October 10 2011 21:14 GMT
#959
the shadow that everybody see
it´s
no
canon xD

just bright the picture and you will see it for yourself

dont wanna say the whole thing has no canon (lol) but the shadow with the edge that people here are using
is
no
canon :>
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venom0us
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60 Posts
October 10 2011 21:15 GMT
#960
On October 11 2011 04:46 Appendix wrote:
While I still hope for my overlord-raping-hydralisk idea, I think its pretty apparent it is a evolution of the baneling. I dont know what it does, maybe a burrowed aoe acid attack, maybe something else. Perhaps its just a giant baneling, drowning your whole base in acid. Nobody knows the way its gonna be, but maybe its gonna be the one to save me.

[image loading]



Is it just me or does this make absolutely no sense? I'm not knocking on his idea, I just think that people are way over thinking this. It's really not too difficult to see that it's obviously a siege unit. Probably upgraded from a roach or hydra, maybe even a queen. My theory is that it's an armored melee unit when it's walking, but then when it burrows it turns into a siege-like unit. Think of it like a spine or spore crawler except with a melee attack and a siege attack. My 2 cents.
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