EDIT: uploaded photos EDIT#2: Someone told me that people usually map hack along with the "results disagree" hack, after checking the replay again, it's pretty clear that he didn't even scout my position before proxy 2 gating. Hence, there's strong evidence that he's a maphacker. Will upload him to the hacker database. EDIT#3: Message from his ex-team
I played a zvp on ladder where the guy was proxy two gating me. After scouting it, I cancelled my hatch and defended with lings while going roaches and won the game. He accused me of being a maphacker and left the game. I felt that all was good until I saw my match history and saw that the game was counted as a loss (like a custom game loss, where you dont lose points).
His ironic BMing:
Proof of him leaving first:
Instead of saying you have won or lost, it said: "Results Disagree!"
Furthermore, If you look at his 1v1 match history, which is only supposed to display ladder wins/losses and not customs, you see that he has 1 win, 7 losses, and 2 ties, where the losses do not deduct any points from him while the win adds points
Also, there's strong evidence that he's using maphack:
if you notice, he fakes scouting top, cause he doesn't go in far enough to see creep. He also doesn't encounter my overlord cause the two scout paths are different. Furthermore, he neglects scouting close positions first for no reason. He had also shift clicked to his two gate spot before he had even scouted the top.
Anyways, I heard from my friends that "result disagree" is a new hack, kind of like a drophack, except it just covers up your losses. This kind of makes me feel bad for him, he's so bad at this game that he's only able to get 1 win out of 10 even while using maphack, and then uses another hack to cover up the losses. I guess people are really desperate to get some wins and pretend that they're better than they really are
Message from his ex-team:
On October 06 2011 03:19 Gyroscope wrote: To certify a couple of things.
Yes, Zelthcon was a member of Mixed Fruit and is a real life friend of Ceonsamea the co-founder of Mixed Fruit.
Mixed Fruit is strictly against any cheats/hacks used in Starcraft2 and is working soley in the subject of coaching players as well as just recently trying to find our way into the e-sports scene of Starcraft2 by making a Starcraft2 Team. I for one does not recognize Zelthcon as one of our members since we have had countless amount of troubles started by him i.e his flaming problems which has been a common thing.
We no longer associate to Zelthcon as one of our members. With that said I have made my clarification!
Best Regards Gyroscope -Mixed Fruit Founder- *EDIT: Would be very grateful if this message could be displayed as a "sticky" in this topic. *EDIT*
tl;dr 1. Zelthcon is a hacker so watch out for him 2. There's a new hack where they can make the ladder game not count, so always check your match history and report it to blizzard if it shows up as "Results Disagree!" 3. I feel bad for people like Zelthcon that are using two hacks just to get into masters league, only to lose and continue sucking anyways. They must really wanna pretend to be remotely decent at this game.
On October 05 2011 11:41 .Sic. wrote: what really scares me is, he might be on this forum, reading this post and pretending to be horrified at someone hacking
On October 05 2011 11:41 .Sic. wrote: what really scares me is, he might be on this forum, reading this post and pretending to be horrified at someone hacking
This person you fear isn't you is it?
rofl nah i know how to face reality and admit that i suck when i lose
On October 05 2011 11:41 .Sic. wrote: what really scares me is, he might be on this forum, reading this post and pretending to be horrified at someone hacking
On the bright side that doesn't actually fuck up the ladder as much as drophack because he'll hit a point where he absolutely won't win anything, and won't cause people to lose points. On another hand he's still abusing something or else he's glitched.
Match history absolutely does not only show 1v1 ladder games... Those without points are non ladder games, unless there is something that I'm missing here...
On October 05 2011 11:47 TERRANLOL wrote: i realize you're trying to come up with reasons why he's pathetic, but it's probably one of his trial accounts. Lol
After you said that, i checked his match history, and he's had this account for more than 26 weeks. Even if it was a trial account, the fact that he's going through so many games just to be in masters league for a few days is sad.
I don't think it matters too too much, for example, once you win more games and your MMR gets higher, you face better opponents and judging on his match history, he will have no chance against high master or GMs.
R1CH, you can fix this....just code it on Hot Bids computer with latex gloves on when he sleeps and make an anonymous report of his "questionable activity" to Blizzard. Its the perfect crime! No one gets hurt!
I laughed at Results Disagree, I thought you photoshopped that in for a second. Hopefully blizzard is fast about patching this, some scrub in Grandmasters could easily hit #1, and points are even more meaningless with hackers just removing all their losses, hopefully this doesn't also affect MMR.
On October 05 2011 11:53 duk3 wrote: I laughed at Results Disagree, I thought you photoshopped that in for a second. Hopefully blizzard is fast about patching this, some scrub in Grandmasters could easily hit #1, and points are even more meaningless with hackers just removing all their losses, hopefully this doesn't also affect MMR.
It has to be affecting mmr, otherwise he wouldnt be playing me on ladder.
Well if the losses don't count, surely if you play enough games you're bound to even beat high level players with cheese like a proxy 2gate. = higher MMR.
If he played enough games and used a tactic that had a coinflip potential to beat almost any player, he could reach any rank (even up to rank 1 GM) given that he plays enough games to get the wins needed.
99 losses 1 win doesn't matter if all of your 99 losses "results disagree".
i say Blizzard just give Battle.net 2.0 control over to R1ch. but thats just me. I almost have given up on the ladder system. Im very low GM so i face a lot of the wannabes who want to be GM so they will resort to fucking hacking. Half my games seem to be against hackers now.
The metagame is evolving much faster than anybody expected. We may even begin to see players executing malicious code by the time the first expansion pack is released. Hope you guys upgraded your anti-virus software.
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
Funny post lol
Can just picture him typing that thinking, "And when they report me for hacking and I link this post, the only logical conclusion will be Results Disagree!"
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
Funny post lol
ROFL
get wrecked xD
@OP hey at least you didn't lose points / that game!
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
Funny post lol
Can just picture him typing that thinking, "And when they report me for hacking and I link this post, the only logical conclusion will be Results Disagree!"
On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote: Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won?
Got any idea about how the netcode in SC2 works for wins and losses? I mean, when you have everything synched to a central host, it's easy to handle that sort of thing, but how do you ensure that a peer to peer system isn't lying on either end when they are supposed to report back?
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
Funny post lol
Is it possible to ban him from TL for being a hacker? :/
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
Funny post lol
Is it possible to ban him from TL for being a hacker? :/
Was wondering the same, he may be already banned though :x
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
Funny post lol
If it's the same guy then apparently he also tried, and apparently succeeded a few times, to coach people for $5/h. This is pretty hilarious if it is indeed the same guy.
Rofl results disagree, i stared at that pic for a while looking for signs of shop/troll thread haha. But yeah this is kinda ridiculous that this can even happen, stupid battlenet
1. I will never understand why will some folks will hack a game like sc2. 2. I am amazed that game results still depends on clients to reconcile their data. 3. Zelthcon's excuses in the TL hacker database thread is really really pathetic.
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
Funny post lol
If it's the same guy then apparently he also tried, and apparently succeeded a few times, to coach people for $5/h. This is pretty hilarious if it is indeed the same guy.
They will analyse this for 1 month than they will analyse it 1 month than they think about it 1 month than they move one of the cheater into bronce than they think about it 1 month than they will ban 1 out of 10.000 player ( for a week) than they will write a patch for 1 month than they realise that hots is already out and dont care any more...
On October 05 2011 11:37 SkimGuy wrote: Did anyone else lol @ "Results disagree!"? xd
That's hilarious. They should have more of those.
"YOU HAVE WON THE GAME, BUT YOU DON'T DESERVE IT!"
or
"WE'RE NOT SURE WTF HAPPENED THAT GAME!"
Seriously though, that seems really odd. Maybe he just found some sort of glitch?
I also found it quite funny, but I don't believe it to be a glitch, since the OP mentioned the match history of his opponent to be very suspicious.
On October 05 2011 13:25 skeldark wrote: dont panic bliz will respond asap.
They will analyse this for 1 month than they will analyse it 1 month than they think about it 1 month than they move one of the cheater into bronce than they think about it 1 month than they will ban 1 out of 10.000 player ( for a week) than they will write a patch for 1 month than they realise that hots is already out and dont care any more...
Yeah Blizzard takes a long time, I really would be mad if I encountered this sort of problem during my ladder experience though. I remember one time a screen popped up while I was playing and I clicked score screen, apparently the other guy stayed in game (weird right?) and then I ended up with a loss . But there was nothing wrong with his match history so I just assumed it was a glitch.
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
Funny post lol
Is it possible to ban him from TL for being a hacker? :/
Was wondering the same, he may be already banned though :x
I really don't think that's enough evidence to ban him. Up to the mods though of course. But in all honesty he is right, the "evidence" given is just general evidence, not proof, because, as he explains, there is reason to do such "odd" things sometimes.
And there's so many playing there's got to be at least 1 Zelthcon... most likely xd
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
Funny post lol
Is it possible to ban him from TL for being a hacker? :/
Was wondering the same, he may be already banned though :x
I really don't think that's enough evidence to ban him. Up to the mods though of course. But in all honesty he is right, the "evidence" given is just general evidence, not proof, because, as he explains, there is reason to do such "odd" things sometimes.
I think the key word is repeated. Yea you may peer into the fog here and there, but you're never going to follow multiple drops through the fog or watch army's positions on accident just because you're scanning around listlessly. Zelth's post was incredibly poorly thought out, and seems like empty semantics.
i think this is legit. some games that i lose to terran, i have more workers, more bases, bigger army, better positioning, better unit comp, and better micro (basically just outplay them) and i still lose. when i have more everything and even more points, i think this is totally reasonable if bnet said results disagree same thing for your game.
On October 05 2011 14:31 BoondockVeritas wrote: i think this is legit. some games that i lose to terran, i have more workers, more bases, bigger army, better positioning, better unit comp, and better micro (basically just outplay them) and i still lose. when i have more everything and even more points, i think this is totally reasonable if bnet said results disagree same thing for your game.
i thought u completely misunderstood the OP and then i realized it was a joke, loooooool
The error message is really funny! I can't believe they actually have an error message for when the data from the 2 clients doesn't match though... if they anticipated this kind of hack appearing then, since all games have to be played through bnet 0.2 anyway, why not just implement a better method of getting the match result than client reporting? >.>
On October 05 2011 15:00 Thrombozyt wrote: It's not a hack.. it's a preview on the new bnet feature. The 'I totally should have won this' button. You press it and you win!
Posts like this make me wish that I could upvote posts like I can on reddit
A couple of posts in one thread defending maphackers under the flimsy excuse that they really might not be maphacking, another thread on blogs that is an excuse for him to get hits on his spam blogs, and another post on coaching where he creates a bunch of shill accounts to vouch for his coaching. On a per post basis, hard to imagine a worse poster.
On October 05 2011 20:14 Hookzqt wrote: Same thing happened to me yesterday, I faced a masters player and he just left after 2 minutes. So I checked his match history and found this:
I got points however, maybe he forgot to use the hack vs me.
those pics don't say ANYTHING. this is absolutely no hack. i bet he is at 0 points in the ladder, you got your points just normal and he doesn't lose any more point when he loses games at 0 point... this is standard. (just checked his stats, he is 9 wins 54 lose at 0 points... Link) seriously, think before posting. especially if you accuse someone of hacking...
the hack described in the OP really sucks though... "results disagree"
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
This happened to me a few months ago. I felt betrayed at first but didnt save the replay or took a screenshot cause I thought its probably another weird bnet fail.
On October 05 2011 20:14 Hookzqt wrote: Same thing happened to me yesterday, I faced a masters player and he just left after 2 minutes. So I checked his match history and found this:
I got points however, maybe he forgot to use the hack vs me.
That's not a hack, He just has zero points on ladder.. Once he gets some points by winning a game he loses it next game....
Cheay I won a 4v4 league game yesterday and at the score screen it first said "Defeat" then changed to "Results Disagree" and it recorded a loss on my record. Not sure what that means anyone else ever get that before?
Mieu Your opponents were using a desync hack, which they can use to de-synchronize the game from battle.net. Notice you lost no points for your loss, and if you look at your opponents match history it will show a loss with no points lost as well.
Psystarcraft on Youtube shows the effects of this hack. If you watch your replay you will likely see that they were map hacking as well.
You need to report that team to hacks@blizzard.com.
On October 05 2011 20:14 Hookzqt wrote: Same thing happened to me yesterday, I faced a masters player and he just left after 2 minutes. So I checked his match history and found this:
I got points however, maybe he forgot to use the hack vs me.
those pics don't say ANYTHING. this is absolutely no hack. i bet he is at 0 points in the ladder, you got your points just normal and he doesn't lose any more point when he loses games at 0 point... this is standard. (just checked his stats, he is 9 wins 54 lose at 0 points... Link) seriously, think before posting. especially if you accuse someone of hacking...
the hack described in the OP really sucks though... "results disagree"
If this guy has more than 0 points and didnt get points deducted for losing, then yes, he is hacking. 1v1 history is only supposed to show ladder wins and losses, meaning he should have gotten points deducted for losing.
On October 05 2011 20:14 Hookzqt wrote: Same thing happened to me yesterday, I faced a masters player and he just left after 2 minutes. So I checked his match history and found this:
I got points however, maybe he forgot to use the hack vs me.
those pics don't say ANYTHING. this is absolutely no hack. i bet he is at 0 points in the ladder, you got your points just normal and he doesn't lose any more point when he loses games at 0 point... this is standard. (just checked his stats, he is 9 wins 54 lose at 0 points... Link) seriously, think before posting. especially if you accuse someone of hacking...
the hack described in the OP really sucks though... "results disagree"
If this guy has more than 0 points and didnt get points deducted for losing, then yes, he is hacking. 1v1 history is only supposed to show ladder wins and losses, meaning he should have gotten points deducted for losing.
Actually, it's possible to lose 0 points for a loss even in a proper game. Although this is only possible early in a season's/account's history where your points are much lower than what they "should be" according to your MMR. Has happened to me more than once early on in a season.
Edit: To clarify, it would not show (-0) but simply look like a nomal custom game loss. Not saying that that's what happened here, just pointing out that it's possible for a few games until someone's points stabilize.
If blizzard aren't stupid, as they've actually implented a score screen for when results disagree, they should have some kind of notification getting to them from their antihack system when it happens several times with the same player. If that is so, which it should be, then this guy is likely to get banned quite soon, and I doubt that this hack will be as widespread as the drophack was for a while.
I had a guy proxy 2 gate me on cross position that did exactly the same and then left when I won. But the guys at the drophack thread didnt say it was hack or confirmed it in any way, just lucky scout etc... LOL
On October 05 2011 22:27 Tyree wrote: Ive reported the same goddamn site who posts majority of these hacks to Blizzard again and again and again and again, yet nothing happens.
I wont post the link here for obvious reasons but its frustrating (tough slightly entertaining) to read their forums and people who hack.
and what do you expect, to blizzard to close that site? that is way out of their league. They can ban people or w/e, but they cant close a site.
I can confirm that this is a hack, I've made a similiar one myself because I discoverd exactly what R1CH said, it's the CLIENT that tells the SERVER who won the game.
I.e your client says WIN, but his says loss and in this case blizzard has made a awesome feature that it's the WINNER who suffers (Why the hell would you want to "hack report" a loss)?
I played around with this abit but couldn't get it to work 100% so I gave up, and I'm not that intrested in cheating (Which can be proved easy as I fucking suck at this game.) but I guess someone took the time to bypass Warden.
Kinda sad though, I don't really get the point in cheating in something that gain you nothing?
I can understand cheating in tournaments because there you can earn something, but what did he get here? A forum post and x1000 people laughing at what a joke he is?
this is why if you don't have the clients report w/l, it's going to take blizzard quite some time to figure a way around this with how things are setup.Additionally the desync hack has been around for at least a month or more now. It isn't as widespread as some map hackers but it's increasingly becoming popular.
On October 06 2011 00:35 pedduck wrote: People cheat. I mean in every sport, there will be someone who will try to cheat. We have to move on.
Well we can either do that, or Blizzard can actually make their game have multiple steps to prevent cheating. Saying it happens all the time isn't an argument that holds up. People want to play a game that is fair.
Pretty funny with the Results Disagree quote Stupid hack overall though. (Not that there is any other kind) Really wonder why people do this. What do they hope to gain? It's almost as pointless as using aimbot in CoD srsly why??? :/
Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
On October 06 2011 01:15 CapnAmerica wrote: Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
Looks like a hoax, to my eyes.
Go google "results disagree sc2".
This isn't photoshopped (nor is it a new hack even). Google posts on the subject date back to over a year ago.
On October 05 2011 11:41 .Sic. wrote: what really scares me is, he might be on this forum, reading this post and pretending to be horrified at someone hacking
On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote: Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won?
This is an interesting programming problem. Except for the instance of someones buildings being destroyed how is it possible to determine who won without receiving some kind of player x left the game message from the losing client? I am by no means a networking expert but its not really such a simple problem.
On October 06 2011 00:35 pedduck wrote: People cheat. I mean in every sport, there will be someone who will try to cheat. We have to move on.
And if they get caught while cheating (in a competitive setting), they get banned or fined... or in case of kids, they'll talk to the patents, who should punish them. I really surprised and somewhat worried how many people just accept cheating.
On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote: Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won?
This is an interesting programming problem. Except for the instance of someones buildings being destroyed how is it possible to determine who won without receiving some kind of player x left the game message from the losing client? I am by no means a networking expert but its not really such a simple problem.
Couldn't it be solved by just encrypting the message, so it will be harder for to create a message that BNET accepts as authentic?
On October 06 2011 01:15 CapnAmerica wrote: Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
Looks like a hoax, to my eyes.
i have a replay? why dont you just go take a look at my profile and his to confirm with your own eyes.
If those posts are indeed from him, I'm guessing he cheated his way to masters, just so that he can cheat off innocent players wanting lessons from a masters player. Then by using this hacking program, it won't record his losses, therefore it won't affect his coaching 'rep', when promoting himself. I hope no-one paid for any of his lessons.
On October 06 2011 00:25 missingheaven wrote: I can confirm that this is a hack, I've made a similiar one myself because I discoverd exactly what R1CH said, it's the CLIENT that tells the SERVER who won the game.
I.e your client says WIN, but his says loss and in this case blizzard has made a awesome feature that it's the WINNER who suffers (Why the hell would you want to "hack report" a loss)?
I played around with this abit but couldn't get it to work 100% so I gave up, and I'm not that intrested in cheating (Which can be proved easy as I fucking suck at this game.) but I guess someone took the time to bypass Warden.
Kinda sad though, I don't really get the point in cheating in something that gain you nothing?
I can understand cheating in tournaments because there you can earn something, but what did he get here? A forum post and x1000 people laughing at what a joke he is?
Kids today....
Regards, missingheaven
Yep, and I am doing everything in my power to let the community know, so we don't accept idiots like him.
On October 06 2011 01:34 Vallz wrote: I actually know Zelthcon since we are in the same community in EU (mixed fruit) And I really doubt that he cheats, hes a nice guy.
Might be two different zelthcons. If not, it doesn't matter if he seems nice, cause I have the evidence of him BMing and hacking.
On October 06 2011 01:34 Vallz wrote: I actually know Zelthcon since we are in the same community in EU (mixed fruit) And I really doubt that he cheats, hes a nice guy.
Do you have any comments about the evidence itself presented in the original post? What is the character code of the the 'Zelthcon' you know and the one mentioned in the original post - they are the same?
It's good that you think some person is a nice guy, but it's not informative.
On October 06 2011 01:31 Sighstorm wrote: Couldn't it be solved by just encrypting the message, so it will be harder for to create a message that BNET accepts as authentic?
I'm sure it IS encrypted already. The problem is this only increases the time needed to develop the hack. What r1ch was suggesting was complete serverside detection of win/loss which would be very challenging except in the case of one player losing all their buildings.
On October 06 2011 01:34 Vallz wrote: I actually know Zelthcon since we are in the same community in EU (mixed fruit) And I really doubt that he cheats, hes a nice guy.
Do you have any comments about the evidence itself presented in the original post? What is the character code of the the 'Zelthcon' you know and the one mentioned in the original post - they are the same?
It's good that you think some person is a nice guy, but it's not informative.
On October 06 2011 01:34 Vallz wrote: I actually know Zelthcon since we are in the same community in EU (mixed fruit) And I really doubt that he cheats, hes a nice guy.
Might be two different zelthcons. If not, it doesn't matter if he seems nice, cause I have the evidence of him BMing and hacking.
There are only two "Zelthcon". One for AM, one for EU.
On October 06 2011 01:34 Vallz wrote: I actually know Zelthcon since we are in the same community in EU (mixed fruit) And I really doubt that he cheats, hes a nice guy.
Do you have any comments about the evidence itself presented in the original post? What is the character code of the the 'Zelthcon' you know and the one mentioned in the original post - they are the same?
It's good that you think some person is a nice guy, but it's not informative.
I dont have any evidence that he doesnt or he does, I just dont believe it untill I get 100% certain information.
You said that 'he has EU and US account', so how do you know for sure that these are the same human being using both accounts? The EU Zelthcon has zerg as the most played race, and the US Zelthcon has protoss as the most played race. The US Zelthcon is the one shown in the original post with evidence of cheeting.
Anyone else having problems with games not appearing in match history and not getting points for them ? Just won against one guy and when I pressed score screen it was written that I have left the game. The game disappeared from match history and I didn't get any points for it. From the release of starcraft 2 it has happened five times to me (not such a big deal, but still frustrating). I was thinking that it's b.net bug, but this thread gave me other ideas.
On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote: Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won?
This.
I don't understand when Blizzard makes us be connected through battle.net 100% of the time as opposed to client-to-client (like in brood war) why they can't just have the server decide results...
On October 06 2011 01:31 Sighstorm wrote: Couldn't it be solved by just encrypting the message, so it will be harder for to create a message that BNET accepts as authentic?
I'm sure it IS encrypted already. The problem is this only increases the time needed to develop the hack. What r1ch was suggesting was complete serverside detection of win/loss which would be very challenging except in the case of one player losing all their buildings.
Ah, ok. I'm not an expert by any means... it's just... it shouldn't be rocket science, right? At least i hope sites and programs from banks, governments and pokersites aren't as easily manipulated. :/
On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote: Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won?
This.
I don't understand when Blizzard makes us be connected through battle.net 100% of the time as opposed to client-to-client (like in brood war) why they can't just have the server decide results...
That's a youtube link of a cool marine split that could have been a custom mod for all we know. How do you know it's a hack? More information needed as to whether it was on ladder or not, who was playing, etc. If it was really a hack, there should be a TL thread for it, not just some reddit post.
On October 06 2011 01:34 Vallz wrote: I actually know Zelthcon since we are in the same community in EU (mixed fruit) And I really doubt that he cheats, hes a nice guy.
Do you have any comments about the evidence itself presented in the original post? What is the character code of the the 'Zelthcon' you know and the one mentioned in the original post - they are the same?
It's good that you think some person is a nice guy, but it's not informative.
I dont have any evidence that he doesnt or he does, I just dont believe it untill I get 100% certain information.
You said that 'he has EU and US account', so how do you know for sure that these are the same human being using both accounts? The EU Zelthcon has zerg as the most played race, and the US Zelthcon has protoss as the most played race. The US Zelthcon is the one shown in the original post with evidence of cheeting.
Its the same guy cuz I know him... He offraces on his NA account mostly. Plus on the community website mixed fruit he has sc2 sigantures linking to both of those accounts with Sc2sig.com thingy
My favorite part is how mad he gets when he loses. Because you just know what's going through his head is something along the lines of "WTF! I'm awesome and hacking, I can't be beat! THis guy must be cheating!"
Ive met this zelthcon (he is part of a community called Mixed Fruits, basically trolls anon) i was once in a conversation where he was talking about his coding and saying "im just seeing how good i can get before i decide which game to produce a hack for" - basically the guys a hack dev.
So all in all i think the odds are against him with this one, im 100% sure he's hacking.
I have no proof of this conversation as it was yonks back and i thought nothing of it (dont give a f**k to be honest, but its in SC2 now.)
He's also begged players in the MF community to go click on ads so he makes money, trololol.
And yeah, the proof is in the pudding above with "is it the same dude" most likely. Look at the other dudes posts, links to the accounts in his sigs on forums, offracing which i knew about. All true
On October 06 2011 01:31 Sighstorm wrote: Couldn't it be solved by just encrypting the message, so it will be harder for to create a message that BNET accepts as authentic?
I'm sure it IS encrypted already. The problem is this only increases the time needed to develop the hack. What r1ch was suggesting was complete serverside detection of win/loss which would be very challenging except in the case of one player losing all their buildings.
Ah, ok. I'm not an expert by any means... it's just... it shouldn't be rocket science, right? At least i hope sites and programs from banks, governments and pokersites aren't as easily manipulated. :/
Its an inherent flaw in the fact that the majority of the time the loss condition is never met and the only way to determine that a player surrendered is to receive a message from the player that they did. Lots of people saying lol @ client sending loss message but nobody offering a solution.
Perhaps the solution is to send the same message whenever a player leaves a game under any condition and the first msg received is determined to be the loser? Mere speculation because I have no idea what the code looks like.
On October 06 2011 01:15 CapnAmerica wrote: Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
Looks like a hoax, to my eyes.
i have a replay? why dont you just go take a look at my profile and his to confirm with your own eyes.
A replay would merely show that he left a game. In the match history it shows that he lost a game (but not points) and that's exactly how losing a custom game shows up. However...
On October 06 2011 01:15 CapnAmerica wrote: Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
Looks like a hoax, to my eyes.
Go google "results disagree sc2".
This isn't photoshopped (nor is it a new hack even). Google posts on the subject date back to over a year ago.
This makes me think that it's more legitimate. Still, though, there's no concrete proof other than stories for it, so I can't be 100% certain (although it'd be weird if it weren't the case).
I just played him on the ladder and won. It said he left so I clicked score screen, but I got the loss. I didn't lose or gain any points though. It said "Results Disagree" at the top of the score screen.
Yes, Zelthcon was a member of Mixed Fruit and is a real life friend of Ceonsamea the co-founder of Mixed Fruit.
Mixed Fruit is strictly against any cheats/hacks used in Starcraft2 and is working soley in the subject of coaching players as well as just recently trying to find our way into the e-sports scene of Starcraft2 by making a Starcraft2 Team. I for one does not recognize Zelthcon as one of our members since we have had countless amount of troubles started by him i.e his flaming problems which has been a common thing.
We no longer associate to Zelthcon as one of our members. With that said I have made my clarification!
Best Regards Gyroscope -Mixed Fruit Founder- *EDIT: Would be very grateful if this message could be displayed as a "sticky" in this topic. *EDIT*
On October 06 2011 01:15 CapnAmerica wrote: Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
Looks like a hoax, to my eyes.
i have a replay? why dont you just go take a look at my profile and his to confirm with your own eyes.
A replay would merely show that he left a game. In the match history it shows that he lost a game (but not points) and that's exactly how losing a custom game shows up. However...
On October 06 2011 01:15 CapnAmerica wrote: Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
Looks like a hoax, to my eyes.
Go google "results disagree sc2".
This isn't photoshopped (nor is it a new hack even). Google posts on the subject date back to over a year ago.
This makes me think that it's more legitimate. Still, though, there's no concrete proof other than stories for it, so I can't be 100% certain (although it'd be weird if it weren't the case).
I explicitly state in the OP that I was looking at his 1v1 match history, WHICH ONLY SHOWS LADDER MATCHES, AND NOT CUSTOM GAMES. The only way you could be not losing points while losing on ladder is if you have 0 points. However, we notice that he gains a win and 42 points, which means he atleast has 42 points. BUT HE DOESNT LOSE ANY POINTS FOR LOSING AFTERWARDS. I hope this clarifies things.
On October 06 2011 01:34 Vallz wrote: I actually know Zelthcon since we are in the same community in EU (mixed fruit) And I really doubt that he cheats, hes a nice guy.
Do you have any comments about the evidence itself presented in the original post? What is the character code of the the 'Zelthcon' you know and the one mentioned in the original post - they are the same?
It's good that you think some person is a nice guy, but it's not informative.
I dont have any evidence that he doesnt or he does, I just dont believe it untill I get 100% certain information.
The OP provides 100% certain information... I don't understand how you can deny the replay and his match history with non-hard-evidence such as "he seems like a nice guy."
On October 06 2011 03:19 Gyroscope wrote: To certify a couple of things.
Yes, Zelthcon was a member of Mixed Fruit and is a real life friend of Ceonsamea the co-founder of Mixed Fruit.
Mixed Fruit is strictly against any cheats/hacks used in Starcraft2 and is working soley in the subject of coaching players as well as just recently trying to find our way into the e-sports scene of Starcraft2 by making a Starcraft2 Team. I for one does not recognize Zelthcon as one of our members since we have had countless amount of troubles started by him i.e his flaming problems which has been a common thing.
We no longer associate to Zelthcon as one of our members. With that said I have made my clarification!
Best Regards Gyroscope -Mixed Fruit Founder- *EDIT: Would be very grateful if this message could be displayed as a "sticky" in this topic. *EDIT*
Done. Hopefully my post didn't give any bad rep to your team. That wasn't my intention.
It will not, he was just a member of the community not the actual team. He always just created trouble anyway by harassing the members of Mixed Fruit etc.
On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote: Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won?
This.
I don't understand when Blizzard makes us be connected through battle.net 100% of the time as opposed to client-to-client (like in brood war) why they can't just have the server decide results...
That's a youtube link of a cool marine split that could have been a custom mod for all we know. How do you know it's a hack? More information needed as to whether it was on ladder or not, who was playing, etc. If it was really a hack, there should be a TL thread for it, not just some reddit post.
Please don't talk out of your ass when you have literally no clue whatsoever what you're talking about.
The game was played on ladder, not on some custom game with mods. You can see in the video the action (from the player) to send literally every single marine in a different direction and you can see in the video that every click is literally at the exact same time (perfect synchronization literally physically impossible for a human to accomplish).
On October 06 2011 03:19 Gyroscope wrote: To certify a couple of things.
Yes, Zelthcon was a member of Mixed Fruit and is a real life friend of Ceonsamea the co-founder of Mixed Fruit.
Mixed Fruit is strictly against any cheats/hacks used in Starcraft2 and is working soley in the subject of coaching players as well as just recently trying to find our way into the e-sports scene of Starcraft2 by making a Starcraft2 Team. I for one does not recognize Zelthcon as one of our members since we have had countless amount of troubles started by him i.e his flaming problems which has been a common thing.
We no longer associate to Zelthcon as one of our members. With that said I have made my clarification!
Best Regards Gyroscope -Mixed Fruit Founder- *EDIT: Would be very grateful if this message could be displayed as a "sticky" in this topic. *EDIT*
Done. Hopefully my post didn't give any bad rep to your team. That wasn't my intention.
On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote: Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won?
This.
I don't understand when Blizzard makes us be connected through battle.net 100% of the time as opposed to client-to-client (like in brood war) why they can't just have the server decide results...
That's a youtube link of a cool marine split that could have been a custom mod for all we know. How do you know it's a hack? More information needed as to whether it was on ladder or not, who was playing, etc. If it was really a hack, there should be a TL thread for it, not just some reddit post.
Looool... really?
You can see this is a replay with a person's name under the replay timeline.
On October 06 2011 03:54 Gyroscope wrote: Offtopic for a moment.
Capped, exactly how does Mixed Fruit troll?
It is rather members that join our in-game chat channel and troll us (damn you blizzard for non-administrative chat channels)
Back to topic. It makes me sad to see that hacks like this and marine splitting etc keeps popping up.. Destorys the fun out of the game for everyone.
that is what i was inferring, the members of the MF chat channel. Most of whom spend their time there and are also on forum / TS. Several are major trolls. you would disagree? :D
Capped, care to elaborate on how the Mixed Fruit Coaching Community are 'trolls'? I'd love to hear this story, I just think it's odd and out of the blue. From what I know, the community is not a trolling fest, only some players who enter the Battle.Net channel are. A majority of the real members are not trolls.
Also, haven't I seen you in that channel and you use to be a member for a long time? What's the change all of a sudden?
On-topic: Yeah, I knew something was suspicious with this guy due to his bad manners and harassment. Well, he got what he deserves, but damn, to hack that low? So sad.
Edit: I disagree to what you posted above me. Allow me to clarify: Several people who join the Mixed Fruit channel are -not- members of the community, and are here to seek help and support and possibly join. Just alongside that, there are other people who come along as well and do troll. A major portion of the Mixed Fruit community are not trolls. We cannot help it when trolls come to our battle.net channel as we don't have any abilities associated with moderation of the channel, we can only do our best to inform the members. Back to the topic. =D
I remember being clearly trolled on TS during a coaching session and have heard untold amounts of crap just sitting idle there.
@Saber i used to be a member and left "all of a sudden" (this was quite a while ago ) because i got fed up with the constant trolling (see the pattern? :S) I thanked ceon in private for what he had done for me (few coaching sessions, attempting to put right some channel trollin ^^ i believe you also did gyro.) and i left.
I will maintain that MF has quite a few trolls within its community and even more in its chat channel. However it doesnt reflect what MF truely is, which is a good bunch of people looking to have fun and chill, but your troll infested .
On October 06 2011 04:13 sVnteen wrote: hm thats kind odd are you sure hes using maphacks? i mean you cant possibly lose 8 out of 10 games while maphacking
Is it not just proof that he is so bad at the game that he needs to have maphack to be able to win, When he finally realised that he was to bad even with maphack he got the "tiehack" so he would not get all the losses and only the wins would count.
On October 05 2011 13:25 skeldark wrote: dont panic bliz will respond asap.
They will analyse this for 1 month than they will analyse it 1 month than they think about it 1 month than they move one of the cheater into bronce than they think about it 1 month than they will ban 1 out of 10.000 player ( for a week) than they will write a patch for 1 month than they realise that hots is already out and dont care any more...
You've just typed 8 times a bad word.. In this case you wanna use "then"
Anyways this happened to me too.. Sad that someone has to be cheating at RTS game. Will definitely look back thru my matches and will report it back to blizz... Good catch
On October 07 2011 14:10 Excalibur_Z wrote: Unlocking this now that there appears to be new evidence. This guy posted a similar-sounding story on the Battle.net forums: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3341764457
I decided to add the guy as a friend and check out the game in question, and looked up the match history of his opponent. Guess what I found?
Wait so shadow knight is a hacker too? Or a zelthicon smurf
or was that the guy who posted on bliz forum... cause then I'm confused
ShadowKnight was the opponent of the guy who posted on the Bnet forum. I doubt he's a Zelthcon smurf, probably just another user of some new hack that's being distributed.
Just so you know it's Zelthcon's Youtube account, here's one of his recent comments:
xxcooldanxx (2 weeks ago) Just got my friend to subscribe to your channel now ! I hope to do more games for you guys in the future for you to cast, just hit me up at anytime on SC2.
EU server - Zelthcon.648 NA server - justinbeiber.136
Message me ingame anytime as I'm always down to play, great casting btw guys, really enjoyed it.
I recommend you doing more with your channel though, such as having a sc2 background, changing the colors, just make it look more interesting :D!
On October 06 2011 04:13 sVnteen wrote: hm thats kind odd are you sure hes using maphacks? i mean you cant possibly lose 8 out of 10 games while maphacking
Is it not just proof that he is so bad at the game that he needs to have maphack to be able to win, When he finally realised that he was to bad even with maphack he got the "tiehack" so he would not get all the losses and only the wins would count.
The great thing about hacks in a game like SC2 is that if you really suck, there's only so far you can go before you're being legitimately destroyed by superior strategy and mechanics regardless of cheats. I know I could beat aimbotters in QL sometimes because they couldn't strafe jump or time for crap, so I would build a big armor lead, then frag them once or twice, then run away fro the rest of the game knowing they would never catch me. Fun times.
On October 06 2011 04:13 sVnteen wrote: hm thats kind odd are you sure hes using maphacks? i mean you cant possibly lose 8 out of 10 games while maphacking
Is it not just proof that he is so bad at the game that he needs to have maphack to be able to win, When he finally realised that he was to bad even with maphack he got the "tiehack" so he would not get all the losses and only the wins would count.
The great thing about hacks in a game like SC2 is that if you really suck, there's only so far you can go before you're being legitimately destroyed by superior strategy and mechanics regardless of cheats. I know I could beat aimbotters in QL sometimes because they couldn't strafe jump or time for crap, so I would build a big armor lead, then frag them once or twice, then run away fro the rest of the game knowing they would never catch me. Fun times.
That's why he lost to me, but his hack made it not count. Either way though, I am glad that zelthcon got atleast got banned from TL.
On October 07 2011 14:10 Excalibur_Z wrote: Unlocking this now that there appears to be new evidence. This guy posted a similar-sounding story on the Battle.net forums: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3341764457
I decided to add the guy as a friend and check out the game in question, and looked up the match history of his opponent. Guess what I found?
Yo, you think i should upload my replay on that thread as well?
On October 07 2011 14:10 Excalibur_Z wrote: Unlocking this now that there appears to be new evidence. This guy posted a similar-sounding story on the Battle.net forums: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3341764457
I decided to add the guy as a friend and check out the game in question, and looked up the match history of his opponent. Guess what I found?
Yo, you think i should upload my replay on that thread as well?
Couldn't hurt, if that's what they're hoping to collect. It sounds similar enough anyway.
On October 07 2011 21:48 Doodsmack wrote: Just in case there's any lingering doubts about whether Zelthcon hacked, check out this Youtube video he made:
Just so you know it's Zelthcon's Youtube account, here's one of his recent comments:
xxcooldanxx (2 weeks ago) Just got my friend to subscribe to your channel now ! I hope to do more games for you guys in the future for you to cast, just hit me up at anytime on SC2.
EU server - Zelthcon.648 NA server - justinbeiber.136
Message me ingame anytime as I'm always down to play, great casting btw guys, really enjoyed it.
I recommend you doing more with your channel though, such as having a sc2 background, changing the colors, just make it look more interesting :D!
Interestingly enough, his justinbeiber account (I friended it and checked match history) doesn't appear to have used this hack. His last 1v1s were 3 weeks ago, so maybe that was before this hack was distributed?
results disagree, that's weird, and a little bit lol. sucks you didn't get the win.
your evidence about him obviously cheating, i'm not sure about (the scouting path) if he knew you were zerg, he would have gotten close, seen no creep and then gone to next place (i think creep reaches where he got to, not sure tbh lol.
On October 07 2011 21:48 Doodsmack wrote: Just in case there's any lingering doubts about whether Zelthcon hacked, check out this Youtube video he made:
Just so you know it's Zelthcon's Youtube account, here's one of his recent comments:
xxcooldanxx (2 weeks ago) Just got my friend to subscribe to your channel now ! I hope to do more games for you guys in the future for you to cast, just hit me up at anytime on SC2.
EU server - Zelthcon.648 NA server - justinbeiber.136
Message me ingame anytime as I'm always down to play, great casting btw guys, really enjoyed it.
I recommend you doing more with your channel though, such as having a sc2 background, changing the colors, just make it look more interesting :D!
Interestingly enough, his justinbeiber account (I friended it and checked match history) doesn't appear to have used this hack. His last 1v1s were 3 weeks ago, so maybe that was before this hack was distributed?
Funny enough, Zelthcon is still mucking about in the ingame Mixed Fruit channel since we cant get rid of him from there.
He claims he is going to go to MLG to clear his name, its pretty funny. He also claims to have "100% PROOF THAT I DID NOT HACK" in the forum of a support ticket to Blizzard :p
On October 08 2011 01:14 Hypemeup wrote: Funny enough, Zelthcon is still mucking about in the ingame Mixed Fruit channel since we cant get rid of him from there.
He claims he is going to go to MLG to clear his name, its pretty funny. He also claims to have "100% PROOF THAT I DID NOT HACK" in the forum of a support ticket to Blizzard :p
He is a chronic liar.
"I DO NOT HACK. IT'S JUST A BUG THAT MAKES ME ONLY GAIN POINTS AND NEVER LOSE ANY"
"MY ACCOUNTS ON THOSE NUMEROUS HACK WEBSITES ARE IRRELEVANT BECAUSE I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY MADE ANY POST ABOUT HACKS THERE." [Turns out he did make a few posts reviewing various hacks and asking for tech support on his aimbot]
"I CAN'T UPLOAD ANY OF THE REPLAYS THAT YOU HAVE REQUESTED RIGHT NOW. YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK. HOWEVER, CHECK OUT THIS FRESH REPLAY FROM 10 MINUTES AGO. PLZ TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK."
"OK FINE. I USED TO CREATE TIE HACKS FOR WC3, BUT THAT IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THEY WERE 'BASIC' USELESS HACKS. HOWEVER, CHECK OUT THIS FRESH REPLAY. PLZ TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK"
"OK FINE. I TRIED TO MAKE SOME 'BASIC' HACKS FOR SC2, BUT THAT IS ALSO IRRELEVANT BECAUSE I FAILED"
"I WOULD NEVER HACK. I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE 100%"
Should have left the other thread open IMO, he was spiralling down to deeper depths I have never seen and I wanted to witness more epic downfall before it was all over. Oh well, looks like justice has been served here on TL, we'll see what Blizzard does about it.
On October 08 2011 01:45 OpticalShot wrote: Should have left the other thread open IMO, he was spiralling down to deeper depths I have never seen and I wanted to witness more epic downfall before it was all over. Oh well, looks like justice has been served here on TL, we'll see what Blizzard does about it.
He actually brags about it :D
"40k people know who I am"
He also did a thinly veiled threat to come to DH Winter where Mixed Fruit will be having a lil' meetup.
Edit: He is actually quite mad that this was reopened, funny that.
On October 06 2011 04:13 sVnteen wrote: hm thats kind odd are you sure hes using maphacks? i mean you cant possibly lose 8 out of 10 games while maphacking
Is it not just proof that he is so bad at the game that he needs to have maphack to be able to win, When he finally realised that he was to bad even with maphack he got the "tiehack" so he would not get all the losses and only the wins would count.
The great thing about hacks in a game like SC2 is that if you really suck, there's only so far you can go before you're being legitimately destroyed by superior strategy and mechanics regardless of cheats. I know I could beat aimbotters in QL sometimes because they couldn't strafe jump or time for crap, so I would build a big armor lead, then frag them once or twice, then run away fro the rest of the game knowing they would never catch me. Fun times.
That's why he lost to me, but his hack made it not count. Either way though, I am glad that zelthcon got atleast got banned from TL.
And his signature was changed from (probably by a mod I guess): "At first you do not succeed, then you fail." to "At first you do not succeed, then the results disagree."
I didn't have time to read the entire thread but I wanted to add more proof. I played this guy the other day and same thing occurred. It was one of the oddest games I've ever played. He did a 4gate but let me scout it..then preceded to not attack for 8 minutes. + Show Spoiler +
Stop making this about Zelthcon, we've already established that he's a hacker and he's banned from this site. This is about the hack itself and how widespread it is on Battle.net.
On October 08 2011 02:30 Riot20 wrote: I didn't have time to read the entire thread but I wanted to add more proof. I played this guy the other day and same thing occurred. It was one of the oddest games I've ever played. He did a 4gate but let me scout it..then preceded to not attack for 8 minutes. + Show Spoiler +
If you want hackers to be banned, you need to report this to blizzard ASAP with your REPLAY. If multiple people are reporting the same guy, the hacker is more likely to be banned.
On October 05 2011 20:14 Hookzqt wrote: Same thing happened to me yesterday, I faced a masters player and he just left after 2 minutes. So I checked his match history and found this:
I got points however, maybe he forgot to use the hack vs me.
Seeing as how he's below top 50 in his division, he probably had 0 points, and you cant go below it. Notice how he is able to lose points after he gains some.
On October 05 2011 20:14 Hookzqt wrote: Same thing happened to me yesterday, I faced a masters player and he just left after 2 minutes. So I checked his match history and found this:
I got points however, maybe he forgot to use the hack vs me.
those pics don't say ANYTHING. this is absolutely no hack. i bet he is at 0 points in the ladder, you got your points just normal and he doesn't lose any more point when he loses games at 0 point... this is standard. (just checked his stats, he is 9 wins 54 lose at 0 points... Link) seriously, think before posting. especially if you accuse someone of hacking...
the hack described in the OP really sucks though... "results disagree"
If this guy has more than 0 points and didnt get points deducted for losing, then yes, he is hacking. 1v1 history is only supposed to show ladder wins and losses, meaning he should have gotten points deducted for losing.
Actually, it's possible to lose 0 points for a loss even in a proper game. Although this is only possible early in a season's/account's history where your points are much lower than what they "should be" according to your MMR. Has happened to me more than once early on in a season.
Edit: To clarify, it would not show (-0) but simply look like a nomal custom game loss. Not saying that that's what happened here, just pointing out that it's possible for a few games until someone's points stabilize.
Dude, you need to read mor ecarefully; I said "if this guy has MORE than 0 pointes and didnt get deducted" then he is hacking. And since he had 900 points, I can assume that he should be losing points.
On October 05 2011 20:14 Hookzqt wrote: Same thing happened to me yesterday, I faced a masters player and he just left after 2 minutes. So I checked his match history and found this:
I got points however, maybe he forgot to use the hack vs me.
those pics don't say ANYTHING. this is absolutely no hack. i bet he is at 0 points in the ladder, you got your points just normal and he doesn't lose any more point when he loses games at 0 point... this is standard. (just checked his stats, he is 9 wins 54 lose at 0 points... Link) seriously, think before posting. especially if you accuse someone of hacking...
the hack described in the OP really sucks though... "results disagree"
If this guy has more than 0 points and didnt get points deducted for losing, then yes, he is hacking. 1v1 history is only supposed to show ladder wins and losses, meaning he should have gotten points deducted for losing.
Actually, it's possible to lose 0 points for a loss even in a proper game. Although this is only possible early in a season's/account's history where your points are much lower than what they "should be" according to your MMR. Has happened to me more than once early on in a season.
Edit: To clarify, it would not show (-0) but simply look like a nomal custom game loss. Not saying that that's what happened here, just pointing out that it's possible for a few games until someone's points stabilize.
Dude, you need to read mor ecarefully; I said "if this guy has MORE than 0 pointes and didnt get deducted" then he is hacking. And since he had 900 points, I can assume that he should be losing points.
No, you're not understanding. It is possible when your MMR is significantly higher than your points that you will earn the maximum number of points for a win (24+24) or lose the minimum (0). Like the guy said though, that typically only happens during the start of a season and is only common for players who are playing at a Grandmaster level. As points approach MMR they'll earn fewer and fewer points for wins (24+24, 23+23, 22+22) and lose more for losses (0, -1, -2, -3).
We already understand that this is a different situation and that these players should be losing points.
On October 05 2011 20:14 Hookzqt wrote: Same thing happened to me yesterday, I faced a masters player and he just left after 2 minutes. So I checked his match history and found this:
I got points however, maybe he forgot to use the hack vs me.
those pics don't say ANYTHING. this is absolutely no hack. i bet he is at 0 points in the ladder, you got your points just normal and he doesn't lose any more point when he loses games at 0 point... this is standard. (just checked his stats, he is 9 wins 54 lose at 0 points... Link) seriously, think before posting. especially if you accuse someone of hacking...
the hack described in the OP really sucks though... "results disagree"
If this guy has more than 0 points and didnt get points deducted for losing, then yes, he is hacking. 1v1 history is only supposed to show ladder wins and losses, meaning he should have gotten points deducted for losing.
Actually, it's possible to lose 0 points for a loss even in a proper game. Although this is only possible early in a season's/account's history where your points are much lower than what they "should be" according to your MMR. Has happened to me more than once early on in a season.
Edit: To clarify, it would not show (-0) but simply look like a nomal custom game loss. Not saying that that's what happened here, just pointing out that it's possible for a few games until someone's points stabilize.
Dude, you need to read mor ecarefully; I said "if this guy has MORE than 0 pointes and didnt get deducted" then he is hacking. And since he had 900 points, I can assume that he should be losing points.
No, you're not understanding. It is possible when your MMR is significantly higher than your points that you will earn the maximum number of points for a win (24+24) or lose the minimum (0). Like the guy said though, that typically only happens during the start of a season and is only common for players who are playing at a Grandmaster level. As points approach MMR they'll earn fewer and fewer points for wins (24+24, 23+23, 22+22) and lose more for losses (0, -1, -2, -3).
We already understand that this is a different situation and that these players should be losing points.
Ironically, that just makes me a total idiot for not reading his post carefully enough.
i doubt hes using a map vision hack, i think your just bitching about it. he 'could' tell that you werent at either close air positions because of no overlord at nat, and you werent at close walk positions because you didnt send scout. that is a could meaning one of the possibilities of his thought processes.
also, he did go far enough in to check for creep.
i could just as easily say that you hack because you sent your natural ovie in exactly the right direction...
i think you just shout hack because you need excuses, most 12year olds do the same so dont worry. you will grow out of it.
but the part about him having a 'results disagree' hack of some sort is plausible.
I might be wrong but doesn't the "Add bookmark" button appear only after a custom game? Edit: Nvm, I was thinking the stat page just after the game not after clicking it from the match history page.
On October 09 2011 00:46 CptCutter wrote: i doubt hes using a map vision hack, i think your just bitching about it. he 'could' tell that you werent at either close air positions because of no overlord at nat, and you werent at close walk positions because you didnt send scout. that is a could meaning one of the possibilities of his thought processes.
also, he did go far enough in to check for creep.
i could just as easily say that you hack because you sent your natural ovie in exactly the right direction...
i think you just shout hack because you need excuses, most 12year olds do the same so dont worry. you will grow out of it.
but the part about him having a 'results disagree' hack of some sort is plausible.
He's not saying the guy is map hacking... Read the OP carefully. He is saying that the guy is using a hack that prevents him from losing any points when he loses by saying "Results Disagree!"
On October 05 2011 11:47 Amui wrote: On the bright side that doesn't actually fuck up the ladder as much as drophack because he'll hit a point where he absolutely won't win anything, and won't cause people to lose points. On another hand he's still abusing something or else he's glitched.
Don't worry about that, when that happens he will just start using his third hack.
On October 09 2011 00:46 CptCutter wrote: i doubt hes using a map vision hack, i think your just bitching about it. he 'could' tell that you werent at either close air positions because of no overlord at nat, and you werent at close walk positions because you didnt send scout. that is a could meaning one of the possibilities of his thought processes.
also, he did go far enough in to check for creep.
i could just as easily say that you hack because you sent your natural ovie in exactly the right direction...
i think you just shout hack because you need excuses, most 12year olds do the same so dont worry. you will grow out of it.
but the part about him having a 'results disagree' hack of some sort is plausible.
He's not saying the guy is map hacking... Read the OP carefully. He is saying that the guy is using a hack that prevents him from losing any points when he loses by saying "Results Disagree!"
He is ALSO saying the guy is map hacking. You notice how he proxy gated the correct location without scouting?
ENDeNigmatic is also using the exploit/hack/cheat/whatever on EU. You can check his history.. he doesn't ever lose any points, though he is 900pts Platinum. He was also shouting "fucking maphacker" after he lost.
On October 12 2011 02:18 Zowon wrote: Just won vs a zerg named ENDeNigmatic on EU, and the result page says "results disagree!" .......Blizzard do something ! ! !
Post about it in the Battle.net Bug Report forum and link the replay so they can investigate.
On October 12 2011 02:18 Zowon wrote: Just won vs a zerg named ENDeNigmatic on EU, and the result page says "results disagree!" .......Blizzard do something ! ! !
This was actually around in season 1 back when I still played regularly. Is it making a comeback? I remember it getting pretty prevelant and blizzard banned hammered it pretty quickly.
He is still cheating with his us account.Played plenty of games 2 days ago.Lost a lot,but he lost like never a point.And yes he has points to lose.(1,2k master rank 14).What a lame cheater..they never give up.
On October 05 2011 11:48 HornSnHaloS wrote: Match history absolutely does not only show 1v1 ladder games... Those without points are non ladder games, unless there is something that I'm missing here...
Ok, so I've also played a game against this same player and my replay shows pretty strong proof that this guy does maphack. The link below should be the download to the replay of him cheating. http://www.sc2buddy.net/download?replayid=308016&replaykey=406b4bf8a94c727ab60416c7b96daec9
Summary of the game:
I essentially get mad because i've queued up against 6 zergs in a row on tal'darim which is not a strong map for tvz for me. Anyways, I decide to cheese by doing a proxy 2port banshee. He blind counters it and drops a evo chamber as I drop my two ports. I didn't really think anything of it at the time because I thought he might have seen it with a Overlord. Anyways, he goes on a doesn't expand while I take my 2nd. He goes into muta/bling/ling while i go marine tank medivac. Essentially he tries to push in after not trying to harass with mutas because he knows i put up a lot of turrets and I walk over him and expand and then just win. At the end of the game he has no vision of my base at all, and watching the replay you can see that he had no vision of my starports. His mutas go straight to my ports once he stops my push though.
I also had no points won for that match, even though he clearly left earlier. I reported him for cheating to Blizzard, but it seems as there was no response to his actions. Blizzard is a very busy company though, and it is tough to crack down on every cheater.
Same thing happened to me against him. He starts complaining about me countering his build (and thus hacking) before he even scouts what I have. Then after the win, the game is nullified as a loss and "results disagree." Seems most of his matching are that way according to his game history.
So definitely some sort of hack. Just report it to battle.net along with the rest of us.
Results Disagree?!?!?! LOL that is like the greatest thing ever. The creator of that hack would have had to have specifically stated that. He could have said anything like, " Fuck you " or " I'm a shitty hacker " but no, he chose to say, results disagree. lol.
On October 12 2011 13:24 TheLOLas wrote: Results Disagree?!?!?! LOL that is like the greatest thing ever. The creator of that hack would have had to have specifically stated that. He could have said anything like, " Fuck you " or " I'm a shitty hacker " but no, he chose to say, results disagree. lol.
Not exactly, something like that was probably programmed in by blizzard.
I'm wondering how hard it is for blizzard to check these game hacking sites for maybe an hour a week and just download whatever hacks seem to work and reverse engineer and patch it... and how hard it is for the server to check which player leaves/disconnects first... sure asking the client could be the last resort, but basically, anything saved onto a person's computer can be edited.
On October 12 2011 13:24 TheLOLas wrote: Results Disagree?!?!?! LOL that is like the greatest thing ever. The creator of that hack would have had to have specifically stated that. He could have said anything like, " Fuck you " or " I'm a shitty hacker " but no, he chose to say, results disagree. lol.
Results Disagree isn't from the hacker program, its from the Blizz interface. Whenever someone wins a game but the score screen says that they had less points, it displays the message. Its basically a giant ? from the Client.
On October 12 2011 15:18 willoc wrote: Anyone know if they issue perma-bans in these incidents? or are they temporary?
I hope so.htcp has a pretty good replay that caught him maphacking once again.He blind counters mass banshee with queens/sporecrawlers/mutas , and he exactly knows where the off starports were.
It's also really a shame how mutch this cheater does flame his opponent even when he loses.Kinda sad.. did anyone made a thread in the blizzard forums?We could all post there who played against him with replay evidence.
On October 12 2011 15:36 Flaunt wrote: played this guy today.
i got the points, so maybe blizzard fixed it.
I really hope this Zelthcon dude gets banned soon. So many people report multiple forms of cheating and annoying BM. He's a blemish! A blemish on us all.
Hmm, hadn't heard of this. I suppose it's a failsafe with the unintended consequence of allowing cheaters to "misreport" back to b.net. While less conspicuous than drop hack, I don't see the point in this. You get caught one way or another and continue to suck at the game.
On October 12 2011 15:18 willoc wrote: Anyone know if they issue perma-bans in these incidents? or are they temporary?
I hope so.htcp has a pretty good replay that caught him maphacking once again.He blind counters mass banshee with queens/sporecrawlers/mutas , and he exactly knows where the off starports were.
It's also really a shame how mutch this cheater does flame his opponent even when he loses.Kinda sad.. did anyone made a thread in the blizzard forums?We could all post there who played against him with replay evidence.
The funny thing is, is that he continued to message me after the game about how he should have won the game and how easy it was for me to win. Oh, the irony.
I have actually had this happen to me once as well. I can't remember who my opponent was though. The game started lagging really bad for about 10 seconds, then it said he left and the Score Screen said "Results Disagree"
On October 12 2011 13:24 TheLOLas wrote: Results Disagree?!?!?! LOL that is like the greatest thing ever. The creator of that hack would have had to have specifically stated that. He could have said anything like, " Fuck you " or " I'm a shitty hacker " but no, he chose to say, results disagree. lol.
Results Disagree isn't from the hacker program, its from the Blizz interface. Whenever someone wins a game but the score screen says that they had less points, it displays the message. Its basically a giant ? from the Client.
That's not true. I have won games while being behind on the Score Screen and it still displays victory
On October 12 2011 13:24 TheLOLas wrote: Results Disagree?!?!?! LOL that is like the greatest thing ever. The creator of that hack would have had to have specifically stated that. He could have said anything like, " Fuck you " or " I'm a shitty hacker " but no, he chose to say, results disagree. lol.
Results Disagree isn't from the hacker program, its from the Blizz interface. Whenever someone wins a game but the score screen says that they had less points, it displays the message. Its basically a giant ? from the Client.
That's not true. I have won games while being behind on the Score Screen and it still displays victory
Correct. It has nothing to do with score. Blizzard has the client send some flag about who won the game. Basically, the hacker tricks the game into sending a flag that they won, which conflicts with your flag saying the same.
It seems that loses are not counted at all by bnet, if "result disagree" hack is used. ENDeNigmatic (bnet profile, sc2ranks profile) started season 4 by losing 15 1v1 games in a row and did not get to placed into any league. He won the 16th match and was placed into masters. His battle.net web profile statistics for 1v1 now show that he has played 1 game and won it. On the other hand his in-game 1v1 profile shows that he has played 16 matches with results 1 win and 0 loss. Most likely the "results disagree" loses don't affect his MMR either as his opponent level seems to rise all the time, even if he has lose streaks in between.
His match history copied from his bnet web profile (I added S4 placement info between the lines):
--- placed into 3v3 diamond league Dig Site 3v3 Win 29/10/2011 --- placed into 1v1 masters league Abyssal Caverns 1v1 Win 29/10/2011 Nerazim Crypt 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Shakuras Plateau 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Nerazim Crypt 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Abyssal Caverns 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 The Shattered Temple 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Nerazim Crypt 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 The Shattered Temple 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 The Shattered Temple 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Shakuras Plateau 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Nerazim Crypt 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 The Shattered Temple 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Antiga Shipyard 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Antiga Shipyard 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Nerazim Crypt 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Antiga Shipyard 1v1 Loss 29/10/2011 Green Acres 3v3 Loss 27/10/2011 --- placed into 4v4 masters league Deadlock Ridge 4v4 Win 27/10/2011 --- Season 4 starts ---------------------- Frontier Co-Op Win 23/10/2011 Frontier Co-Op Win 23/10/2011 Dig Site 3v3 Loss 22/10/2011 The Bio Lab 3v3 Loss 22/10/2011 Dig Site 3v3 Loss 22/10/2011 Cinder Fortress 3v3 Win 22/10/2011 Extinction 4v4 Win (+26) 22/10/2011 Extinction 4v4 Win (+28) 22/10/2011 District 10 4v4 Win (+30) 22/10/2011 Outpost 4v4 Win 22/10/2011 Extinction 4v4 Loss 21/10/2011 Extinction 4v4 Win 21/10/2011 Outpost 4v4 Loss Extinction 4v4 Win 21/10/2011 The Bio Lab Co-Op Win 21/10/2011 Temple of the Preservers Co-Op Win 21/10/2011
I also reported him to TL's hacker database -thread few days ago, when I found a ladder replay played on 2011-10-09 17:21:48 through his sc2ranks profile. In the replay he used at least auto injection & roach burrow hacks: http://drop.sc/43313
(Edit: added that his in-game profile total games count includes all matches)
On October 05 2011 12:17 MichaelJLowell wrote: The metagame is evolving much faster than anybody expected. We may even begin to see players executing malicious code by the time the first expansion pack is released. Hope you guys upgraded your anti-virus software.
What I really don't get is, that why would someone do that? 1) they'll get banned sooner or later 2) even if they wait long for their ban, and they do reach 'high' league, their skill is not going to improve, so they'll be bad anyways. So, the league icon won't really be representing their skill. So, why bother?
I don't actually understand what's so funny about "Results disagree!" It's just a way of saying "Results received at the end of the game from the player clients participating in the game are not the same."
On October 30 2011 22:34 Xiphiass wrote: I don't actually understand what's so funny about "Results disagree!" It's just a way of saying "Results received at the end of the game from the player clients participating in the game are not the same."
I think the exclamation mark is what makes it funny
LOL I've seen this thread on the side bar multiple times but never opened it because of the (results disagree) thing....Always thought that it was just some whine from someone that wasnt right and so the mods added the results disagree as in nothing to see here folks no new hack the guy was wrong lol....never knew it was actually the hacks "name" or method of use.
On October 31 2011 00:03 sagiy19 wrote: I don't see any hacking in the replay other than the talking about hacking.... How did you know he was hacking while in mid game?
Only the "Results disagree!" part is suspicious to me.
You don't think he waits until his games end before he loads his "Results disagree!" hack, do you?
On October 31 2011 00:03 sagiy19 wrote: I don't see any hacking in the replay other than the talking about hacking.... How did you know he was hacking while in mid game?
Only the "Results disagree!" part is suspicious to me.
Which replay do you mean? If you mean the ENDeNigmatic's replay from the last page, then the pointers what to look for can be found from the hacker datatabase thread.
Something strange has been happening for me in regards to points...
I've been playing a lot of 'favored' people and when I lose... I check my points and there is no change for any loses... But when I've won.. I get a bunch....
I just played a couple games last night and don't rememeber any special messages... But thought it was strange.
Edit:
Just check my match history.. nope they are just "Defeats"... been playing quite poorly.. Nevermind!!!
On October 30 2011 20:34 BabyToss! wrote: What I really don't get is, that why would someone do that? 1) they'll get banned sooner or later 2) even if they wait long for their ban, and they do reach 'high' league, their skill is not going to improve, so they'll be bad anyways. So, the league icon won't really be representing their skill. So, why bother?
*shrug*
1) the hackers trust that that will take a while. 2) some extremely shallow people like glittery stuff.
On October 31 2011 00:38 Kira__ wrote: I like how these threads always say
"X is a hacker so watch out for him"
As if there's any way to avoid them in ladder :D
Indeed the original post focuses on one hacker, but there are several who use this hack (this thread names few). But the original post also presents quite nicely how to recognizance a player using this hack. If you win against a person using the hack, you will not receive any ladder points from the match, nor the true loser lose any points. The match info supposedly says "results disagree" if you were part of the match. For others looking at the match data through your match history it says "you have left the game" or something similar.
Of course there has been battle.net problems in the past when no points were awarded for a short period (I personally faced this glitch last time 2010-12-20 on EU server). But by viewing the suspected hacker's match history one should easily see if he is "results disagree" hacking or was it just a technical glitch.
Just had this happening to me against a guy named SlayersBoxer (oh the irony). He left at the 18 minute mark even sc2gears recognizes it as a win still my match history shows me a loss with no points lost and the message "results disagree".
someone has admitted to me how he's doing it. It's some coding error on Bnets part apparently, I've been telling him he's gonna get banned for doing it to me.
Haha I laughed pretty hard when I read "Results Disagree". But on a serious note, this is pretty gay. I hope the guy gets banned and this can be fixed?
Just had some guy named OrangeStylE do it to me. had clear victory; "has left the game." appeared ~ 20 sec before I destroyed him then game ends and get disagree thing.
So I decided to take a break from studying for like 6 hours... Decided why not play a ladder game since the season is ending soon I havn't played a 1v1 in like 2 weeks... And i came across some kid whom I was slightly favored against and I became all nervous because I didn't want to lose like 20 ladder points. His name was "Cryo", a Diamond league president with super high mmr. Im quite sure you know rest of the story as I defended his scv marine all in while he was bming saying how I suck even thou I stopped his rush with an expansion. He then QQed about protoss being op and leaves.
And heres a link to the replay if anyone is interested
On December 14 2011 07:04 RyanShortster wrote: Funny :D it's so important to you to get ppl banned
Of course people want hackers on the ladder who are usually not very good, very Bad mannered and harass people on the ladder. What is wrong with wanting those people banned?
This just happened to me today. I guess blizzard still hasn't done anything or wasn't able to fix it. This guy called "OrangeStylE" proxy gated( pvp game) me in shattered temple. I blocked it successfully then he left saying "fuck off". After winning I checked the match history and it said "result disagree" with out any points lost just like in this post. I checked OrangeStylE's match history and he has some of his lost matches covered.
I actually was watching a stream earlier today where the streamer played against that "OrangeStyIE" guy and beat him. orange threw out some stupid bm and left the game, but on the score screen it said the streamer (CGMooffinMan) left first and there were no points taken or gained for him and on orange's match history it simply shows it as a loss with no points lost. didn't think much of it until I saw this thread and checking orange's match history at least half of his losses have no point deductions at all.
[B] His name was "Cryo", a Diamond league president with super high mmr.
Edit: replay link added
Yeah I beat this guy a couple of days ago same thing happened. I asked him about it after the game and he was like "its fine for me". I searched Results Disagree on TL, found this and reported him. Sad to see Blizzard havent acted on banning this guy yet and you had to hit him on ladder.
I unfortunately had a Results Disagree on the korean server (masters league) last week.. its sad that it is starting to show up there too. Thats one of the biggest reasons I dont play on US/EU anymore, it happened quite often to me; once in every 30 games at least
[B] His name was "Cryo", a Diamond league president with super high mmr.
Edit: replay link added
Yeah I beat this guy a couple of days ago same thing happened. I asked him about it after the game and he was like "its fine for me". I searched Results Disagree on TL, found this and reported him. Sad to see Blizzard havent acted on banning this guy yet and you had to hit him on ladder.
His name was "Cryo", a Diamond league president with super high mmr.
Edit: replay link added
Yeah I beat this guy a couple of days ago same thing happened. I asked him about it after the game and he was like "its fine for me". I searched Results Disagree on TL, found this and reported him. Sad to see Blizzard havent acted on banning this guy yet and you had to hit him on ladder.
Just had some guy named OrangeStylE do it to me. had clear victory; "has left the game." appeared ~ 20 sec before I destroyed him then game ends and get disagree thing.
:\ where's my points X_X
Same thing with the exact same person for me just a minute ago . . . -_-;;
I am suprised Blizzard doesn't seem to read TL or some hack forums or look around. I am sure they would had fix this by now if they did, I mean how long has it been since this thread started? 1 month ago? Sigh...
are we keeping track of these hackers anywhere? just had some guy named axeleration use it on me. you would expect hacks in a low league maybe or to people that dont take the game seriously but high masters/gm ? lol
just a matter of curiosity: what would happen if you stay in game and destroy everything he has left ? will bnet realize this and flag this game as a win for you (because opponent has 0 units/buildings left) or does this hack/glitch already flagged the game as "results are fucked up" when the hacking guy is leaving ?
maybe some1 could try this when meeting one of the known hacker again
I don't understand how a game as competitive as SC2 can have hacks. It almost makes me not want to play, knowing that I could be getting map hacked and lose with no fault of my own. I really wish there was a way to prevent all of this hacking.
I got a loss for it, and he did as well. Didnt get my points though... dont know what kind of hack it is...it also shows "results disagree", which should be obvious to blizzard that whenever that happens, some sort of hacking occurred (either 2 ppl got win or 2 ppl got a loss or something like that, so hopefully they ban these people soon...)
On December 21 2011 10:36 Intensity wrote: I don't understand how a game as competitive as SC2 can have hacks. It almost makes me not want to play, knowing that I could be getting map hacked and lose with no fault of my own. I really wish there was a way to prevent all of this hacking.
On the bright side, the matchmaking system will pair you with people that you have even odds of beating, even if part of their "skill" is a maphack. It sucks if you're against someone who just downloaded a maphack, but after some games, the guy's MMR should be inflated enough that his games are still "fair." It's a small consolation, but maphacks don't fundamentally break the system. Preventing them may also not be feasible, but Blizzard will detect the hacks eventually and ban the cheaters, rest assured.
I know a site thats dedicated for hacks for blizzard games and I reported the site to Blizzard about a year ago when SC2 came out and they said thanks and we will look into it. 1 year later the site is still up dedicated to making drop hacks, map hacks, you name it.
I can only assume blizzard want hackers so they can ban them and make them buy another account thus creating a higher revenue than if the site was to be closed down.
PS: Reasons why i know the site was due to Diablo 2 Map hacks
op made me curious about the current state of sc2 hack. I was shocked at how advanced it is... I was under the assumption that maphack and such would be very easy to get rid of nowaday.... seems like not so much.
Meh i should have never checked. now i feel like ill be a bit paranoid since anyone can find a SC2 MH in about two click with google.
They are even linking to this thread in the tie hack thread i found...
If one thing can make you feel better. TieHack has apperently already got quite a few people banned and i found out in that in oct thousands of people got banned for maphacking... so maybe blizzard will be able to do something.
Sad thing is that you can find a brand new cd-key for NA server for less then 25$ nowadays.
On December 22 2011 13:13 ModestAxis wrote: The hack in question is called a tie hack....
Better to just call it "results disagree hack" as it is easily detected by remembering that name, even if it is sort of a tie hack (note that it shows win in the winners match history without point gains and loss in hackers match history without point deductions).
On December 22 2011 13:13 ModestAxis wrote: If one thing can make you feel better. TieHack has apperently already got quite a few people banned and i found out in that in oct thousands of people got banned for maphacking... so maybe blizzard will be able to do something.
At least in Europe there are several 'results disagree hackers' that have been active for nearly 3 months. I am sure that people have written countless hack reports in Bnet regarding them. It is odd that Blizzard does not ban them manually for PR reasons as evidence are clear. Anybody can see that they are hacking just by looking at their match histories.
Here are three still active EU players that have been accused of 'results disagree hacking' several times in this thread (note that sc2ranks profiles are not fully up-to-date yet (show mixed s4 and s5 data). Also note that I will not copy the match histories here. If they play more their 'current' history will be overwritten):
Zelthcon (bnet match history, sc2ranks) - 'the original', match history shows several loses without point deductions (note that by looking his last season he had lots of points and should have lost points from ladder games).
ENDeNigmatic (bnet match history, sc2ranks) - Plays a lot of co-operative games nowadays and not much ladder, also seems to turn off 'results disagree' hack for certain team games from time to time. Better evidence than the current match history can be found earlier from this thread.
SlayerSBoxeR bnet match history, sc2ranks) - mentioned several times in this thread, several loses without point deductions in his match history and his last season profile has lots of points). During season 4 I checked profiles of all 5 'SlayersBoxer'-named players in EU. There was also a second 'SlayersBoxer' who seemed to be 'results disagree hacking', but he seems to have turned the hack off as I cannot spot him anymore based on the match histories.
beware of "nimb".... he just used this hack against me on NA server. After viewing his match history, he just 7 pools every game, if it fails, he uses the hack.
ChooseLife on EU, Diamond player. Also uses this hack. Watch out for him. His match history is identical to the OP, tonnes of losses removing no points and wins awarding them. Same error message, "Results Disagree".
This game is too client sided. I hope Blizzard changes this Client sided thing into server sided so it would have a lesser chance of being hacked. That guy should be banned as well. B.net support anyone?
On December 24 2011 15:33 SirPinky wrote: Well this is kind of frustrating. It's started to span out from low level (plat/diamond) to high level ...top5 masters.
On December 27 2011 07:10 bobthebo wrote: i just played a guy and this happened, InfDarKAnGel uses it, hes a hacker
lol just ran into this guy on the ladder, his so bad, he tried a rine svc rush on me after that failed he called protoss ez and left, but he didnt leave any points because of the results disagree hack
On December 27 2011 07:10 bobthebo wrote: i just played a guy and this happened, InfDarKAnGel uses it, hes a hacker
lol just ran into this guy on the ladder, his so bad, he tried a rine svc rush on me after that failed he called protoss ez and left, but he didnt leave any points because of the results disagree hack
same guy here. he tried very bad 2rax allin, then quitted. results disagree after the game. so hes still active.
On December 29 2011 06:45 Schnullerbacke13 wrote: er .. regarding maphack in OP, this map has close positions disabled, so his scouting at least is not suspicious ..
Abyssal Caverns has every spawn enabled. Dunno why you're trying to discredit the OP now, a few months later, when Zelthcon was proven to be a hacker in this very thread.
On December 29 2011 18:41 tryteyker wrote: It would be interesting to know in which league these hackers are playing (As I doubt they'll be lurking around in Grandmaster / Master League).
InfDarKAnGel is mid master/high master. i think he wins maybe about 10% of his games. he dont hack every loss, but a lot. you can view his match history here.
On December 29 2011 18:41 tryteyker wrote: It would be interesting to know in which league these hackers are playing (As I doubt they'll be lurking around in Grandmaster / Master League).
InfDarKAnGel is mid master/high master. i think he wins maybe about 10% of his games. he dont hack every loss, but a lot. you can view his match history here.
Yesterday I got something like this, I mean "result disagree" thingy, but when I checked game history It gave me win and points normally, so I didn't think its anything special just minor battlenet bug, maybe someone failed to cheat the game XD
On December 29 2011 06:45 Schnullerbacke13 wrote: er .. regarding maphack in OP, this map has close positions disabled, so his scouting at least is not suspicious ..
Abyssal Caverns has every spawn enabled. Dunno why you're trying to discredit the OP now, a few months later, when Zelthcon was proven to be a hacker in this very thread.
nope. i am pretty sure about that. just try it yourself. it also was in the patch notes as far i remember. Else I'd say I was pretty lucky in my ladder games on abyssal )
Just vsed InFDarkAngel, he failed a 11/11 scv marine all in and then just leaves and instead of winning, i get a "loss" on my record, and the score screen says "Results Disagree", pretty pathetic, i hope these people get banned soon
On December 29 2011 06:45 Schnullerbacke13 wrote: er .. regarding maphack in OP, this map has close positions disabled, so his scouting at least is not suspicious ..
Abyssal Caverns has every spawn enabled. Dunno why you're trying to discredit the OP now, a few months later, when Zelthcon was proven to be a hacker in this very thread.
nope. i am pretty sure about that. just try it yourself. it also was in the patch notes as far i remember. Else I'd say I was pretty lucky in my ladder games on abyssal )
You are incorrect, abyssal has always had every spawn enabled. Only maps with close spawn disabled are Shakuras, Shattered Temple, and Metalopolis.
On December 29 2011 06:45 Schnullerbacke13 wrote: er .. regarding maphack in OP, this map has close positions disabled, so his scouting at least is not suspicious ..
Ive spawned close on this map before, during the time the OP was posted
On December 29 2011 18:41 tryteyker wrote: It would be interesting to know in which league these hackers are playing (As I doubt they'll be lurking around in Grandmaster / Master League).
InfDarKAnGel is mid master/high master. i think he wins maybe about 10% of his games. he dont hack every loss, but a lot. you can view his match history here.
why hasnt that guy been banned yet?
If this is true, I feel ashamed to be in the same clan as him.
On December 29 2011 18:41 tryteyker wrote: It would be interesting to know in which league these hackers are playing (As I doubt they'll be lurking around in Grandmaster / Master League).
InfDarKAnGel is mid master/high master. i think he wins maybe about 10% of his games. he dont hack every loss, but a lot. you can view his match history here.
why hasnt that guy been banned yet?
If this is true, I feel ashamed to be in the same clan as him.
InfDarkangel has been removed from the infinity roster.
He said the same shit zelthcon did "its a bug" mmk..what was zelthcon again?
Proven hacker - even developed them for WC3. Attempted to scam people on bnet - Offering coaching, begging people to go sign up on these odd websites. (Done in Mixed Fruit channel, i saw it myself.) Even tried to Bullshit in this thread Is also extremely BM along with his hacking.
..Forgive us if we do not trust DarkAngel for pulling the same stunt
Really hoping you guys aren't right. I ran into him on ladder a couple days ago (hes master, I'm diamond) and he beat me. Not saying thats the end all be all but if his MMR is really low master, but he is still beating really high diamonds then he does still deserve to be in masters.
I really hope its just a bug, but at least its not like he is a gold player sitting in GM because of it.
On December 30 2011 01:35 jkay wrote: DarkAngel is not A Hacker hes Streaming all is game! I watch it often and u guys should do the same instead of talking about things u don't know!
Infdarkangel is a cheater, also did the same thing to me twice and lost, but set the results to disagree. Also jkay should be banned, that is infdarkangel, himself if you search "starcraft 2 infdarkangel", his z33k tournaments show that he also follows under the alias jkay.334. This player code doesn't in fact exist anymore, but jkay and his now infdarkangel match. Funny how he covers it up, when infdarkangel doesn't even stream.
I did some research into this hack and found a website full of starcraft 2 hacks, sc2 blackmarket, sc2 coding, sc2 bots and even a section on what hacks get you banned and what dont.. im amazed they still allow this site to continue to run.. Im not sure if im allowed to post the link so u can report this to blizz (i cba to go through the effort) but yeah its called d3scene Go report it guys!
On January 02 2012 03:58 iControlYou wrote: I did some research into this hack and found a website full of starcraft 2 hacks, sc2 blackmarket, sc2 coding, sc2 bots and even a section on what hacks get you banned and what dont.. im amazed they still allow this site to continue to run.. Im not sure if im allowed to post the link so u can report this to blizz (i cba to go through the effort) but yeah its called d3scene Go report it guys!
Blizzard can't take websites offline. Best they can do (I imagine) is study the cheats being used and find a way to ban the users.
http://i.imgur.com/k2pu7.jpg Watch out. BTW hes not my friend, i just have him added so I can view his profile easily if I needed to report him or something idk
Wow, lol. I just read through some of the forum that was linked and deleted earlier. I didn't realise how many people cheated in SC2. It looks like someone posted the results disagree publicly so it might get much worse soon :/.
It's actually ridiculous how easy it is for someone to do it. As a security professional, I felt it was my duty to help out. I've emailed blizzard many times about this bug when I first heard about it, and a potential way to fix it, but they have yet to respond.
pieces of shit like this need to just stay with their modded xboxes, pay over 200 bucks so u can have a stupid ass hack in call of duty. pisses me off because i only used cheats vs AI. like back when bw first came out, people like this should just uninstall and give up. if hacking doesn't give you the advantage u should just go play wow or something....
On January 03 2012 03:21 FabledIntegral wrote: Watch out for a Protoss player named "ManA," who has a maphack and 2gate proxies you inbase every game, every map.
On January 03 2012 02:14 Lebzetu wrote: http://i.imgur.com/k2pu7.jpg Watch out. BTW hes not my friend, i just have him added so I can view his profile easily if I needed to report him or something idk
Man.... this hacking scene is worse than I thought. This stuff is getting really out of control. I just found a feature list of one single program:
Features: - Maphack - Anti-Detection (Terminates upon Warden scans) - Shroud Toggle - Display Enemy Camera on Minimap - Camera Lock - Leaderpanel (Sets production tab as default, filters allys/local player) - True Color Selection - Color HP bars of non visible units grey - Color HP bars of visible enemy units red - Auto-Queen (Select Queen, hold down ctrl and right click on a hatchery to assign job) - Auto-Roach-Burrow - Select idle Creep tumors with a hotkey
What's even worse is that they're asking money for this stuff. They are earning a living by supplying people with the option of ruining the online experience. What's wrong with these people? Isn't the joy from online gaming improving at the game yourself, getting better at it? You not only ruin the game for yourself, but also for everyone you play against. I'm afraid of what these guys will do to HotS and D3
I got hacked like 2 nights ago in a 4V4 game. I was the last person on my team "turtling" versus a team of cheesers (lings, hellions, blink stalkers) so I was just dragging the game out to piss them off.
Then my computer started to go crazy, or graphics anyways. I checked my CPU and everything was fine, video card fine, computer wasn't over heated or anything. My graphics/in game screen were constantly going black/sharp lines. Like there was an in-game hack trying to get my to disc connect.
Too bad I have a sick video card and fiber optics. However I'm 100% sure it was a hack, I've never had that happen to me with this computer (1000 games on it) and even right after I played another game and it was totally fine.
On January 03 2012 04:24 MrTng wrote: Man.... this hacking scene is worse than I thought. This stuff is getting really out of control. I just found a feature list of one single program:
Features: - Maphack - Anti-Detection (Terminates upon Warden scans) - Shroud Toggle - Display Enemy Camera on Minimap - Camera Lock - Leaderpanel (Sets production tab as default, filters allys/local player) - True Color Selection - Color HP bars of non visible units grey - Color HP bars of visible enemy units red - Auto-Queen (Select Queen, hold down ctrl and right click on a hatchery to assign job) - Auto-Roach-Burrow - Select idle Creep tumors with a hotkey
What's even worse is that they're asking money for this stuff. They are earning a living by supplying people with the option of ruining the online experience. What's wrong with these people? Isn't the joy from online gaming improving at the game yourself, getting better at it? You not only ruin the game for yourself, but also for everyone you play against. I'm afraid of what these guys will do to HotS and D3
Seriously, this makes me really sad. I've ran into tiehacks (results disagree) before-- losing points is annoying but its no big deal because I'm still playing someone on even turf in the game and can improve. The rest of this shit makes me really wonder how prevalent it is if indeed it's undetectable as it claims.
Plus the fact that tiehacks must be known by blizz for quite some time already but not much is being done-- at the very least tiehacks should have a very easy solution, sure they ban in waves, but they should just instaban for tiehacking instead imo, course that would take investment. The fact that tiehacking is probably one of the easiest things to catch and is still so prevalent up to now is
On January 02 2012 03:44 Scila wrote: This shit is still happening I don't know what Blizzard is doing.
It is cute that there are multiple reports in us bnet bug forums about 'results disagree' problem. Some of the reporters don't even know that it is caused by a hack. Blizzard is generally answering actively to bug report threads but totally ignoring 'results disagree' threads.
It would probably be bad PR if they would publicly admit that there is an exploitable weakness in bnet that allows this kind of hack. It could also mean that they are not going fix it soon. If they would acknowledge the problem they would be pressured to fix it quickly.
Yeah Zelthcon is a very known hacker and he has tried to deny it many times. Stay away from him - this happened to me aswell, but not vs Zelthcon. I've added him so I know when he's playing I wont que!
This happened to me earlier today. I won a 2v2 with my partner, the other guy left first, but this screen came up, and it counted as a loss for us, but no points lost. Watch out for this guy as well!
Here's the image i got on screen:
EDIT: The hacker is MXGEFileto, not ebbal. I talked with ebbal after the match, and he had gotten a random partner for this game. My friend is XxAsianManxX, and I am Etan.
On January 07 2012 22:18 Zanazuah wrote: Yeah Zelthcon is a very known hacker and he has tried to deny it many times. Stay away from him - this happened to me aswell, but not vs Zelthcon. I've added him so I know when he's playing I wont que!
Zelthcon is apparently offering free coaching now from Mixed Fruit..
Yeh happened today to me also. NexOOV. NA server. Its fairly common but its dumb because of how you instantly know it. Rather than a maphack you have to check replay for.
Does it effect their/your hidden ratings also? Just kind of curious if those still change maybe.
On January 07 2012 22:18 Zanazuah wrote: Yeah Zelthcon is a very known hacker and he has tried to deny it many times. Stay away from him - this happened to me aswell, but not vs Zelthcon. I've added him so I know when he's playing I wont que!
Zelthcon is apparently offering free coaching now from Mixed Fruit..
As for the team's message in the OP, didn't he get removed from Mixed fruit?
Hi there, as one of the earliest members of mixed fruit (been part of it since we were just 3 guys playing games) I would like to state that mixed fruit does not endorse this kind of behaviour in any way, shape or form. Mixed fruit wants to help other players, not cheat them. I would just like everyone to know that zelthcons behaviour does not reflect the behaviour of anyone else within the mixed fruit community. As far as I am aware, he is no longer a part of mixed fruit - because we found out via tl about this disgusting behaviour. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact gyroscope or ceonsamea via bnet. Thankyou.
This guy seems to be doing it every single game on the EU ladder, and has been getting away with it for a long time. He's also drawing attention to himself by stealing a pro player's name.
I only noticed it because after playing vs him a few days ago I was searching drop.sc for IdrA ZvT replays (shoulda specified GM) and curiously he had uploaded the replay from playing against me. I noticed it said I had lost the game (which I hadn't) so I had a look at my match history and noticed it was listed as a loss for both players with no rating loss.
Goodness knows why he uploaded the replay drawing attention to his cheating, perhaps he used it to post looking for some ZvT help? I don't think he deserves any while he's cheating...
(Just to clarify this is obviously not Greg 'IdrA' Fields, its just some random cheater using his name...)
On January 15 2012 23:09 iAmiAnC wrote: This guy seems to be doing it every single game on the EU ladder, and has been getting away with it for a long time
I only noticed it because after playing vs him a few days ago I was searching drop.sc for IdrA ZvT replays (shoulda specified GM) and curiously he had uploaded the replay from playing against me. I noticed it said I had lost the game (which I hadn't) so I had a look at my match history and noticed it was listed as a loss for both players with no rating loss.
Goodness knows why he uploaded the replay drawing attention to his cheating, perhaps he used it to post looking for some ZvT help? I don't think he deserves any while he's cheating...
You might want to add that you're not talking about pro-player Greg Fields..... people are stupid
Well Its not a "results disagree hack" it just makes it seem like the other player has left, which if they did it would say you are victorious and that screen would pop out. Never faced it so if thats the case, id say keep playing
On January 15 2012 23:29 zVooky wrote: Well Its not a "results disagree hack" it just makes it seem like the other player has left, which if they did it would say you are victorious and that screen would pop out. Never faced it so if thats the case, id say keep playing
Its listed as a loss on both players' record so in my case despite winning the match I got a loss on my match history and gained no rating. The abuser's profile also lists a loss with no rating lost.
The SC2 report form gives you about 2 lines worth of space to explain the 'cheating' in your ticket. Its about 20% of the space available for making a ticket in a WoW and its simply not enough to explain anything properly or add a replay link, screenshot link etc.
I always wondered why it is was so hard for blizzard to stop hackers when there are some pretty large websites with a lot of the hacks that plague their games. Is it actually that hard to look at sites like d3scene for hacks and adjust the warden to detect them better? I honestly do not know if it is that hard, but if you can actually download the hack (and probably look at the code) it shouldn't be that difficult?
On January 15 2012 23:39 RaNdOmOwNaGe wrote: I always wondered why it is was so hard for blizzard to stop hackers when there are some pretty large websites with a lot of the hacks that plague their games. Is it actually that hard to look at sites like d3scene for hacks and adjust the warden to detect them better? I honestly do not know if it is that hard, but if you can actually download the hack (and probably look at the code) it shouldn't be that difficult?
Its within their capabiity to code against that hack.
Then the hackers code round the fix.
Then they code the fix.
Then the hackers...you get the point.
Its not as simple as a bug fix, its got cunts behind it.
On January 15 2012 23:29 zVooky wrote: Well Its not a "results disagree hack" it just makes it seem like the other player has left, which if they did it would say you are victorious and that screen would pop out. Never faced it so if thats the case, id say keep playing
Its listed as a loss on both players' record so in my case despite winning the match I got a loss on my match history and gained no rating. The abuser's profile also lists a loss with no rating lost.
The SC2 report form gives you about 2 lines worth of space to explain the 'cheating' in your ticket. Its about 20% of the space available for making a ticket in a WoW and its simply not enough to explain anything properly or add a replay link, screenshot link etc.
I faced my first "results disagree" hacking opponent on US server today. He was Girit (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1851751/1/Girit/). He was very weak in PvP (he transitioned from 2 gate zealot rush to expansion and did not map hack as he did not expect my push after I had seen his expo). I won the match easily but the results disagreed! I confronted Girit in chat and he claimed he just "lagged out"
As Blizzard seems very sluggish banning these hackers / fixing the exploit I not only wrote in-game hack report but also filed a support ticket about the matter (In the ticket I also provided links to relevant information sources like this thread and relevant thread in d3scene). I suggest others who face results disagree hackers do the same. Maybe if they get enough tickets & reports they do something...
Here is a compilation picture of the match results + Girit's match history: http://imgur.com/MqIh2
I beat the shit out of Amphetamines with the plus one attack Zealot harass into 3 Colo push and got the ole RESULTS DISAGREE bullshit today. I checked his match history and he had something like 15 games where it said "Loss" but he didn't lose any points. Then I checked the match histories of his opponents to confirm and what'dya know? They too, had losses with no points being taken away.
I also watched the replay from his perspective a couple times and confirmed he was also map hacking. A couple times he checks my army where he had NO vision in addition to sending out a bunch of lings to the EXACT location I had hidden a pylon. No ovies or anything.
God its pathetic that people can't even win with hacks. When I called him on it he goes, "Its called disconect re tard" LOL
Funny thing: after I call him on hacking he proceeds to turn it off as he latest match was a loss where he actually lost points.
I hope blizzard can at least take the time to ban these people or something. I understand a permanent fix will be hard but it seems like banning people and forcing them to get another account seems like a viable short termoption?
On January 17 2012 20:26 ins(out)side wrote: I beat the shit out of Amphetamines with the plus one attack Zealot harass into 3 Colo push and got the ole RESULTS DISAGREE bullshit today. I checked his match history and he had something like 15 games where it said "Loss" but he didn't lose any points. Then I checked the match histories of his opponents to confirm and what'dya know? They too, had losses with no points being taken away.
I also watched the replay from his perspective a couple times and confirmed he was also map hacking. A couple times he checks my army where he had NO vision in addition to sending out a bunch of lings to the EXACT location I had hidden a pylon. No ovies or anything.
God its pathetic that people can't even win with hacks. When I called him on it he goes, "Its called disconect re tard" LOL
Funny thing: after I call him on hacking he proceeds to turn it off as he latest match was a loss where he actually lost points.
I hope blizzard can at least take the time to ban these people or something. I understand a permanent fix will be hard but it seems like banning people and forcing them to get another account seems like a viable short termoption?
Can you upload the replay when he was checking your army position? Thanks.
On January 17 2012 20:42 Cereb wrote: Lol! People who hack to get higher on the ladder just blows my mind! Why would you ever do that ? Seems so silly :p
At this point I don't even care if I throw away 20 games cause I know that I'll get right back up when the MMR stabilizes.
What goals could you possibly have other then to have your account banned? o.0
Any other goal you may achieve with this hack is that since you only win and your MMR goes up a lot, you play with people a lot better than you, and you learn to play faster because you play vs people way better than you.
In any other FPS game (like quake3) the only way to get better is to play with people better than you, i don't know if it's the same in SC2.
On January 17 2012 20:42 Cereb wrote: Lol! People who hack to get higher on the ladder just blows my mind! Why would you ever do that ? Seems so silly :p
At this point I don't even care if I throw away 20 games cause I know that I'll get right back up when the MMR stabilizes.
What goals could you possibly have other then to have your account banned? o.0
Any other goal you may achieve with this hack is that since you only win and your MMR goes up a lot, you play with people a lot better than you, and you learn to play faster because you play vs people way better than you.
In any other FPS game (like quake3) the only way to get better is to play with people better than you, i don't know if it's the same in SC2.
No this is not a goal you can achieve in SC2. If you are a bronze player skillwise and you try to fight against Masterleague you get crushed without learning a shit........
Don't know if he has been mentioned, but a guy named CombatEX on EU uses this, first time it was used against me. He played horribly, so I shouldn't have been surprised, no way a player like him could be plat without cheating.
Last time I got results disagree hacked I had all-ined the guy anyways (TvP) and he talked so much shit about cheesing being far worse than hacking. wtf. He didnt even deny it haha. I was so glad I had allin him. At least I was only out 10mins.
I just played someone that 6 pooled me. (I play terran) , His lings get into my base but I sneak a scv around the back to put a supply depoy to complete wall, I hold it off Macro up, I then get a fast reaper to see if he is busting or not and He is. Then after i scout banelings morphing outside my base he accuses me of maphacking then leaves the game. I look at my match history and it then says "Results Disagree"
I fear that hammer's blizzard is just a lie to make people silent, and to avoid complains. I must admit that I thought that blizzard would have been worth my trust, but it seems that hacks are spreading over the community, believe it or not.
On January 17 2012 21:58 Tobberoth wrote: Don't know if he has been mentioned, but a guy named CombatEX on EU uses this, first time it was used against me. He played horribly, so I shouldn't have been surprised, no way a player like him could be plat without cheating.
Lol nice one.
Never played a hacker so far, though, sometimes I see ties in match history (yet I'm 100% sure I've never tied, nor did I get 0 points after a victory). If I try to open stats, it says smth like 'an internal error occured'. Not big deal, just some weird stuff o_O
this very morning this hack happened to me aswell, i cant remember what his name was, but he had 22-0 and i killed him with a bunker rush in TvP, it just said "Results Disagree" and i was very sad i reported him however, hope he gets banned....
I CANT belive that blizzard still havnt fixed this tho, this thread was made so many months ago, what are you doing blizzard?
How difficult would it be for Blizzard to analze a replay after a results disagree? Both parties will be connected to the server, and the replay is automatically made twice, it seems (maybe naively?) that uploading a small replay file at the end if results disagree would be a simple enough thing that could not only properly award the win but also determine who has the system submitting false reports.
I have a feeling there is some kind of hack where u see a production tab on the screen like in replays. I had a granmaster last season on my team in 3v3 and he said what the other team was doing without any scouting on our part. And I watched rep he didnt move his camera around opponents bases or anything like that.
This might be a hack, might not. The people affected by it could possibly have a bug in their SC2 causing this to happen but it does seem more likely that a hack makes this occur. Either way it's bad that it even exists, why does Blizzard rely on the client to tell the results of a match again?
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9139/unavngivetjy.png It's definetly a hack, this guy "magz" 6pooled me, and when he lost, he just left. After the game I didn't get points and he didn't lose points. Afterwards I checked his match history and apparently the only games he hasn't won are games that says "result disagree"
Meaning he can get a shitton of points and ridiculous MMR
they can't really fix it without changing the whole system. Don't expect a fix unless there is a bnet update in a patch. Besides that is a obvious hack for the players, so really easy to report. Unlike other hacks like this production tab thing if it really exists.
PS: always funny if this hack is bumped, since you read new hack every time xD.
On January 23 2012 22:01 Iyerbeth wrote: How difficult would it be for Blizzard to analze a replay after a results disagree? Both parties will be connected to the server, and the replay is automatically made twice, it seems (maybe naively?) that uploading a small replay file at the end if results disagree would be a simple enough thing that could not only properly award the win but also determine who has the system submitting false reports.
QFT. I don't understand companies not taking relatively cheap and easy measures which can solve a lot of problems and show extra goodwill towards the community. Having the same problem with EA/DICE regarding lots of minor ignorant missteps they've made in Battlefield 3.
On January 23 2012 22:01 Iyerbeth wrote: How difficult would it be for Blizzard to analze a replay after a results disagree? Both parties will be connected to the server, and the replay is automatically made twice, it seems (maybe naively?) that uploading a small replay file at the end if results disagree would be a simple enough thing that could not only properly award the win but also determine who has the system submitting false reports.
QFT. I don't understand companies not taking relatively cheap and easy measures which can solve a lot of problems and show extra goodwill towards the community. Having the same problem with EA/DICE regarding lots of minor ignorant missteps they've made in Battlefield 3.
<This post is technical speculation based on my experience with network games and their inner workings. I may be totally wrong in my evaluation but I think that is unlikely>
The hack in question reports falsified information about what happened at the end of a game (and maybe false info about who quit first) to the B.net servers. Since the replays are also created client side the same thing can also be done to them. The solution would be to actually log all actions by either player on the Bnet servers during the game (which I don't think is what happens at the moment). This solution is in no way elegant, as it increases the information which has to be handled by the server. Detecting who actually left the game first serverside should be much simpler and is something I think Blizzard would have already implemented so I don't think that is exactly how this thing works.
The other theory I have is that this hack sends a false signal to the server that the hacker or his team destroyed all the buildings of the opposing team while the legit guy just sends the signal that the hacker or his team left the game while a victory condition hadn't been met. In this case getting rid of this problem server side would require not only transmission of all actions but actual game computation serverside which is NOT practical at all. The only solution to this problem is once again client side i.e the use of better anti-cheat code integrated into the SC2 client which catches any interference from any non-Blizzard application with the SC2 client.
On January 29 2012 00:00 FeyFey wrote: they can't really fix it without changing the whole system. Don't expect a fix unless there is a bnet update in a patch. Besides that is a obvious hack for the players, so really easy to report. Unlike other hacks like this production tab thing if it really exists.
PS: always funny if this hack is bumped, since you read new hack every time xD.
Hm ah I see. So is this zelthcon guy just making new accounts after getting banned or what o.o
and now someone says blizz sued the creator of the hack, did they win?
Also lol it still says results disagree instead of something less obvious
Zelthcon is one strange dude. (especially if you read him trying to defend himself here and other threads). Twisted mind. He even had a joke regarding results disagree in his sig, haha.
From what I read, they contacted him but are not/did not sue him. Some quotes from him.
"I took a business law class, but we didn't go over anything dealing with copyright infrigment. I rather stop than face a lawsuit etc. I'm just a poor college student, can't afford a lawyer and court fees."
"I don't know if they could still come at me if I release the source code. I rather not get sued for something I did for fun and enhance my skills."
"Well considering I started making bots back in my sophmore year of high school, I didn't really think about the long run. I used my real info on my battle.net account, so I'm assuming it's off that. And all my character names in the games were xxxx. So they didn't really have to look far."
A basic rundown of what happened. This guy has made some pretty solid stuff, but mostly bots and automation kind of hacks.He had a trainer that helped people get portraits and someone (not him) found a glitch in it that when you used it online and did the victory that gives you a win vrs ai it wouldn't make you lose points. It was around for a year, but didn't become public until someone leaked it 3 months ago. He had no idea his trainer could do this, but because blizzard was and is unable to stop it they contacted him and told him to stop. His trainer was meant for offline mode/single player and wasn't meant to be abused the way it ended up being.
On January 30 2012 12:58 ruffstyle89 wrote: From what I read, they contacted him but are not/did not sue him. Some quotes from him.
"I took a business law class, but we didn't go over anything dealing with copyright infrigment. I rather stop than face a lawsuit etc. I'm just a poor college student, can't afford a lawyer and court fees."
"I don't know if they could still come at me if I release the source code. I rather not get sued for something I did for fun and enhance my skills."
"Well considering I started making bots back in my sophmore year of high school, I didn't really think about the long run. I used my real info on my battle.net account, so I'm assuming it's off that. And all my character names in the games were xxxx. So they didn't really have to look far."
A basic rundown of what happened. This guy has made some pretty solid stuff, but mostly bots and automation kind of hacks.He had a trainer that helped people get portraits and someone (not him) found a glitch in it that when you used it online and did the victory that gives you a win vrs ai it wouldn't make you lose points. It was around for a year, but didn't become public until someone leaked it 3 months ago. He had no idea his trainer could do this, but because blizzard was and is unable to stop it they contacted him and told him to stop. His trainer was meant for offline mode/single player and wasn't meant to be abused the way it ended up being.
Oh, thanks for that! Really awesome post :D.
(So that explains his uncarefulness in his sig, etc. ? Cus it wasn't meant to be used on ladder like that?)
But I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "that when you used it online and did the victory that gives you a win vs ai it wouldn't make you lose points". Can you reword this please?
I never used it, so I may be wrong. It was a trainer for offline mode. It let you have whatever amount of gas/minerals you'd like and to get portraits you need wins vrs ai and it had a 'victory' option that would give you wins vrs ai if nobody was in the game. Using this in multiplayer desynced the game and when you left nobody would get points or lose points. This "hack" was an unintentional side effect to one of his tools.
On January 30 2012 15:40 ruffstyle89 wrote: I never used it, so I may be wrong. It was a trainer for offline mode. It let you have whatever amount of gas/minerals you'd like and to get portraits you need wins vrs ai and it had a 'victory' option that would give you wins vrs ai if nobody was in the game. Using this in multiplayer desynced the game and when you left nobody would get points or lose points. This "hack" was an unintentional side effect to one of his tools.
Oh, i see. Didn't know about the victory button part, that's why I didn't understand at first Thanks for clarifying!!! :D
It just allows you to type in some command and it gives you a win vrs the ai without actually beating them. It had different commands to type in to get unlimited supply, minerals, gas etc. The victory command was one to get a win vrs insane without actually playing them. If you did it online it caused the game to get confused
On January 30 2012 11:48 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Zelthcon is one strange dude. (especially if you read him trying to defend himself here and other threads). Twisted mind. He even had a joke regarding results disagree in his sig, haha.
The guy is just a dickweed, seriously. Being in "Mixed Fruit" before all this was found out he used to log on and start begging for people to go to this website he made and click on ads so he could make money. Offering coaching for $10 an hour at low masters and nothing to show for himself (from what ive heard, telling people he would give them a "date"..sure.)
Fuck the guy, wholeheartedly. He is a waste of space, bummed out college dropout with nothing better to do.
It's amazing how little people know about hacks. I mean literally, you can google this stuff in a second.
Recently someone posted a thread asking if they thought the game they played was against a maphacker due to their preternatural timing in being prepared for 3 of 3 of the drops, and having the perfect counters (stalkers waiting, etc).
People watched the replay, and said he wasn't hacking because he never looked at the opponent's base.
I took a close look at it, knowing that new maphacks have a button where it 'freezes' the player cam so when watched in a replay, it looks like they aren't looking, but in reality they are checking your base or whatever out. It was pretty obvious, as both players had about the same 78 APM, yet when you looked at Terrans POV, he was super fast spazzing everywhere, whereas the hacker had many, long bouts where he just was 'doing nothing' - the hack stops the cam and makes it look like your afk, but the APM is still registered, and it was obvious when he went from a current 100 APM to 2-4 APM suddenly. He also made some blatant decisions that completely countered what the opponent did.
But because no one knew how maphacks worked, they just assumed it was a legit game because the guy never directly looked at the opponents base in fog of war. But it was obviously maphack when both players had 80 average APM and one guy was just playing wayyyy slower and had times when his cam just froze. Camera just not moving anymore is usually a good indication of this newer maphack. The thread got closed by a mod before my long drawn out post could've been posted.
There's all sorts of hacks out there for SC2, and there's a lot of undetectable maphacks and such now that don't alter the game at all, instead running as background programs.
I have a feeling there is some kind of hack where u see a production tab on the screen like in replays. I had a granmaster last season on my team in 3v3 and he said what the other team was doing without any scouting on our part. And I watched rep he didnt move his camera around opponents bases or anything like that.
Yep, there is. There's a couple of them that do that now. They show what's in production, unit counts, everything, just like watching the game through replay.
You don't need to be a hacker to google "sc2 hacks" and see what's out there.
@ Belial88: Yeah I know it's quite mindfucking considering what's out there. I can almost smell another huge drama where R1CH comes up with something and we have this loooong ass cheater list again like in BW :D
U can't stop hacks...that's valid for any possible game. However hard u try u can't permanently stop them.
What we can hope is that Blizzard knows & works on discovering/banning new hacks/people. Considering this is the bigest e-sport game atm, and blizzard is known for throwing out good quality + reputation + etc. i think they really take things like this seriously and invest alot in discovering/banning them.
^ I would argue that LoL is biggest right now, although maybe not as dedicated, not do I want it to be.
Haven't seen this myself to be honest, I wonder if the losses still affect your MMR. I think it's just something you have to report and forget about though, move on to the next game.
LoL is the bigest because it's free + not as much skill and dedication goes into it as SC2 does...were just 1 person has to move from 1 side of the planet..to the other..leaving their loved ones..families.."overal world they knew" just to get better at a game , don't u think? Last time i heard LoL players practiced 4h/day for a tournament...that made me go LoL.
LoL is the WoW of the esports world. Easy to learn...so alot play it.
Some e-sport games have work, dedication, blood&tears behind them. Others have ..........well just mass numbers.
Quality vs Quantity ....that's SC2 vs LoL ethernal dispute i guess :D
On January 30 2012 21:11 Clarity_nl wrote: ^ I would argue that LoL is biggest right now, although maybe not as dedicated, not do I want it to be.
Haven't seen this myself to be honest, I wonder if the losses still affect your MMR. I think it's just something you have to report and forget about though, move on to the next game.
yea but youll never see LoL players attending MLG's like SC2 players, its alot more casual friendly like someone already mentioned.
You might be willing to watch it on stream for free but your not going to spend any money on it and so no ones going to make it a headline event anywhere
On January 30 2012 21:14 ReboundEU wrote: LoL is the bigest because it's free + not as much skill and dedication goes into it as SC2 does...were just 1 person has to move from 1 side of the planet..to the other..leaving their loved ones..families.."overal world they knew" just to get better at a game , don't u think? Last time i heard LoL players practiced 4h/day for a tournament...that made me go LoL.
LoL is the WoW of the esports world. Easy to learn...so alot play it.
Some e-sport games have work, dedication, blood&tears behind them. Others have ..........well just mass numbers.
Quality vs Quantity ....that's SC2 vs LoL ethernal dispute i guess :D
/Agree
I don't really consider LoL a serious eSport, and the fact that they have a 5 mil prize pool for Season 2, I think that some of the Pro's should just take their free time to training in LoL, make some good cash for some easy work
Not really dissing LoL, just Starcraft players train over twice as long a day, and so much harder, the dedication in Starcraft is intense, The SC scene needs more money in it imo
On October 24 2011 20:02 inCyde wrote: in replay gametime: 9:33 after the game: 9:31 is this normal?
Completely normal... the game ended at 9:31 and you left the game (i.e. stopped recording) 2 seconds later at 9:33. If you decided to not leave the game after he left and destroy all his buildings (I do that from time to time) then your replay will be much longer.
"There's all sorts of hacks out there for SC2, and there's a lot of undetectable maphacks and such now that don't alter the game at all, instead running as background programs."
Actually, right now there are almost none. Free wise there is only 1 out there, and it sounds like it is very buggy. Because its free, anyone who hacks uses it. It has the obs panel as well as mh and cam lock so for a very basic free hack it works. Anyone who wants a real hack needs to buy VC or wait for Sharp to be updated. It was free, and had the same stuff vc has. However, it did get detected within months of its first release, so most will think twice before using it again. The guy who stopped his was the only MH that was free and has been out for long time and nobody ever got banned for it. The rest do inject and eventually can/will be detectable.
Any other out there is private/pay 2 use. They range from like $50 or more. The most common is VC's map hack, which is 60 dollars. It has pretty much everything you can imagine. Cam lock, map, obs panal, auto burrow on roaches, auto mule, auto queen ejects, and I think auto blink. This was cracked 2-3 times, but lately hasn't been able to. He has made over 20,000 dollars off this so a lot use it. Cranix and Artek are also pay to use. Artek is the better option as it sounds like the others guy is just mh/cam lock.
wait, blizzard will eventually catch up to them and sue them right? cus what they're doing is against their ToS? (or is this against the law as well, to hack things like this?)
Sadly, unless they are in America (the guy that stopped was) there is nothing that blizz can do. One is from Canada, the other from Aus I guess are protected.
From one guy posting to the guy who stopped his.
"Court Description: JUDGMENT by Judge Cormac J. Carney, in favor of Blizzard Entertainment Inc against Michael Simpson a/k/a “Matt Cooper”, “Cranix” and “Cranyx” in the principal amount of $150,000.00, interest in the amount of $0.00, attorneys fees of $41,792.75, costs of $3,645.21 for a total judgment of $195,437.96.
I still make a maphack, still have a website and I haven't paid Blizzard a fucking penny. God Bless Canada "
From the other person
"Maybe they only contact people they can get personal information on and preferably those in the USA where they are likely to have more legal ground. I have been mentioned already as an identity unknown to them but goes by the alias 'Zynastor'. Or maybe I am just protected like I said with my underground connections. "
Oh ok. So they can't go to jail but can pay court fines?
also, lol "matt cooper" like from the balancing team
So the first one is from canada right? How did he lose a court case but not have to pay? Is the legal system really that week? I don't understand that, even if he is from canada, but he was able to be sued and lost the case, that he can still get away with it?
I had it happen to me before. I was driving home one night and a guy tossed a beer bottle through my car window. My face got all cut up and I took him to court for the medical bills and damage to the car. I won the case, never saw a penny. It has been over 8 years. The system is fairly weak at getting people to pay up.
We need to get a new TL program going "To Catch A Hacker". Basically, Hot Bid will act like a 15 year old girl wanting to play some competitive SC2. Then we catch them in the act. After, we pull them into a chat channel where Hot Bid says, "Hello "XXX", why don't you have a seat?" "I am Hot Bid from Team Liquid, and we are doing a story on older men who lure unsuspecting gamers into a ladder match with the intent to hack"
Then drop some quote from the in-game chat like "I feel so naughty, I can see all your unmentionable things without scouting." or "I bet if I put this here, there isn't a damn thing you could do about it." Stuff like that.
On January 30 2012 21:14 ReboundEU wrote: LoL is the bigest because it's free + not as much skill and dedication goes into it as SC2 does...were just 1 person has to move from 1 side of the planet..to the other..leaving their loved ones..families.."overal world they knew" just to get better at a game , don't u think? Last time i heard LoL players practiced 4h/day for a tournament...that made me go LoL.
LoL is the WoW of the esports world. Easy to learn...so alot play it.
Some e-sport games have work, dedication, blood&tears behind them. Others have ..........well just mass numbers.
Quality vs Quantity ....that's SC2 vs LoL ethernal dispute i guess :D
there's already a LoL team with their own teamhouse
also, different skill set than SC2, so you can't compare, that's like sayin FPS requires less skills cuz the APM is lower lol
I go to the first page of this thread and it's about the Results Disagree hack. Then I go to the last page and posters are debating LoL and SC2 once again. I wonder at what page this thread completely changed topics. It's like they are playing telephone on here. Purple Monkey Dishwasher.
On February 21 2012 08:00 drgoats wrote: I go to the first page of this thread and it's about the Results Disagree hack. Then I go to the last page and posters are debating LoL and SC2 once again. I wonder at what page this thread completely changed topics. It's like they are playing telephone on here. Purple Monkey Dishwasher.
I wondered how this topic came back up..... thanks for the chuckle
As a side note i got hit by this hack a few months ago..... was annoying but that's life. Life has a lot of annoying things.
Zelthcon is lurking in the Zerg Strategy 1 chat channel in Europe. It's been said many times that Zelthcon is still hacking. It appears that he's a known face to the people of Zerg Strategy 1.
On January 31 2012 10:43 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: We need to get a new TL program going "To Catch A Hacker". Basically, Hot Bid will act like a 15 year old girl wanting to play some competitive SC2. Then we catch them in the act. After, we pull them into a chat channel where Hot Bid says, "Hello "XXX", why don't you have a seat?" "I am Hot Bid from Team Liquid, and we are doing a story on older men who lure unsuspecting gamers into a ladder match with the intent to hack"
Then drop some quote from the in-game chat like "I feel so naughty, I can see all your unmentionable things without scouting." or "I bet if I put this here, there isn't a damn thing you could do about it." Stuff like that.
On February 22 2012 06:20 Incognito69 wrote: Zelthcon is lurking in the Zerg Strategy 1 chat channel in Europe. It's been said many times that Zelthcon is still hacking. It appears that he's a known face to the people of Zerg Strategy 1.
(o_ o(~
Hi sexy <3
I might be completely wrong now but weren't zelthcon the one who cheated me in a custom?
On February 22 2012 06:20 Incognito69 wrote: Zelthcon is lurking in the Zerg Strategy 1 chat channel in Europe. It's been said many times that Zelthcon is still hacking. It appears that he's a known face to the people of Zerg Strategy 1.
(o_ o(~
Hi sexy <3
I might be completely wrong now but weren't zelthcon the one who cheated me in a custom?
zelthcon was reported like 30 times in various TL hack threads. he is 100% hacking. oddly enough blizz does not ban him even tho he was reported numerous times
I don't wanna make a new thread for that little question. so guys, this player is obviously hacking (he got banned for it recently) he's streaming and hacking at the same time, how come we can't see any signs of hacking besides terran perfectly countered baneling bust without even scouting the opponent?
On July 15 2012 21:58 marmuc wrote: I don't wanna make a new thread for that little question. so guys, this player is obviously hacking (he got banned for it recently) <clip removed vod> he's streaming and hacking at the same time, how come we can't see any signs of hacking besides terran perfectly countered baneling bust without even scouting the opponent?
There are so called external hacks that show the info (like production queue, minimap, etc) on external windows. So he could have such windows open e.g. on second monitor (or xsplit only capturing sc2 window). And yes. He was likely maphacking (or did illogical things or had played his opponent before and knew his style) in that vod (blind banebust defense and after that salvaging bunkers and dropping all his marines (leaving nobody behind to defend) to zerg's main avoiding the spores).
More recent thread where hackers are discussed / reported is the "GM maphackers are growing: Impa" thread. Its original poster analyses only the suspected top ladder players, but also lower level hackers are often reported / discussed there.
On July 15 2012 22:01 Praetorial wrote: oooh I remember this thread, I dug up some pretty juicy dirt on Zelthcon
Blizzard hot fixed the 'results disagree' exploit long time ago. But many of the results disagree hackers were never banned, even if they most likely were reported countless times & hack was visible just by looking at their match histories. Here are three examples of results disagree hackers who still play actively (put those to my friends list long time ago to see if they would be banned):
US accounts: mTGirit - I reported this one myself. He changed his nick from 'Girit'. He might now have been banned as his sc2ranks shows bronze and both his ingame profile and bnet web profile give errors (he was active at least couple of weeks ago when I last time checked). Some reports say that many achievement farmers were banned in last ban wave. Maybe he was one of them - Bnet profile - sc2gears
Edit: Girit's in-game profile & bnet web profile started working again less than one hour after my post. According to his match history he is still active but has indeed dropped his account to bronze and is in winning streak.
wait what! Results Disagree i've gotten that a few times actually! So that means my oppo's hacks if i get it? Like the system can't calculate points/who wins because someone hacked the game we were playing?
On July 16 2012 00:36 SilSol wrote: wait what! Results Disagree i've gotten that a few times actually! So that means my oppo's hacks if i get it? Like the system can't calculate points/who wins because someone hacked the game we were playing?
battle.net counts on your computer and his computer reporting who won the match. Essentially, your computer says "silsol won" and so does your opponent's. In this case, your computer says "silsol won" and the hacked one says "opponent wins", so b.net gets confused.
Same thing happened to me yesterday, I faced a masters player and he just left after 2 minutes. So I checked his match history and found this:
I got points however, maybe he forgot to use the hack vs me.
You can't go below 0 points...
Having 0 points in master's league? Seems legit haha
Not a hack. How is that not legit? He has 0 points... lots of people can have 0 points in masters league... they'll probably get demoted soon though if they keep playing.
I'm surprised to read that it was patched, I would have thought that wasn't technically possible, given that the system relies on client reporting to decide who won a game. Does anyone know how it was done?
MC win gsl ,after results disagree och god what a nightmare Mc must win!!! btw blizzard stop looking, start hacker slaping!!!! i hope for banlist show or something like that......
On July 19 2012 23:15 CamoPillbox wrote: MC win gsl ,after results disagree och god what a nightmare Mc must win!!! btw blizzard stop looking, start hacker slaping!!!! i hope for banlist show or something like that......
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