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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
Why would you post this? Either tell the community something which sheds light on the situation or leave a one-liner in the existing thread (Millenium: "We are engaging in talks with Complexity. We don't want eSports to be tarnished by misunderstandings."). All this post can possibly do is make people mad - it's not even an announcement of an announcement; it's an announcement that nothing will be announced. No good PR should come of this. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On September 20 2011 22:54 KeksX wrote: Their statement is that they are trying to solve the issue. What else do you want? That is my question. Ofc they are trying to solve the issue, this is a nobrainer. What we want? Useful information? | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
Classy as always. | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
that's what they said in French on Millenium TV when they "explained" the situation yesterday 7.30pm CET | ||
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banzaiib
United States53 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On September 20 2011 22:58 banzaiib wrote: Why do people care about this? Someone please explain to me how Col was harmed by Stephano. In my opinion, the only thing harmed by all this is Stephano's credibility. <shrug> No, the real deal here is the credibility of the contracts in general in the scene. If a player can sign a contract and then do whatever he wants anyway, it is not a good sign, hence why this matter is important. Atleast now, players will think twice before doing something like that, really bad PR for them. | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On September 20 2011 22:58 banzaiib wrote: Why do people care about this? Someone please explain to me how Col was harmed by Stephano. In my opinion, the only thing harmed by all this is Stephano's credibility. <shrug> If the situation was unexplained it would look like CoL had tried to poach Millenium's player. When Millenium found out they got him back (after CoL's announcement they had acquired Stephano). Essentially, if no one said anything CoL would look bad. After Complexities statement, Millenium looks awful. People care because reputation is incredibly important to teams and players (as well as sponsors, to some extent). Law is also a big deal for international businesses (and esports in general). | ||
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rontol
71 Posts
lol... ok at least we got something... sorry but Millenium could express their situation better... from what written there, they're in a middle of a "talk" to say sorry to coL? | ||
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Nabutso
351 Posts
It's really just up to Col whether or not they want to make a point and lose money, but create a good precedence that players should be honor their contracts, or take no legal action. Atleast Mil and Stephano will have all the negative PR in the world over this | ||
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hephaestos
France54 Posts
On September 20 2011 22:29 Denizen[9] wrote: millenium made stephano to sign a permanent contract, thats probably the worst thing stefano could do There is no such thing as a "permanent contract", at least in France. There are countless ways to (legally) get rid of an employee, or to leave your employer, especially when on undetermined duration contract (the kind signed by Stephano). | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
On September 20 2011 22:53 Sandermatt wrote: He did sign a contract with col, but Millenium told stephano that there are loopholes in it according to french law and he should therefore ignore it. Great attitude for millenium to grow e-sports, ignore that countries laws because we dont like them >.>. If an American player signed a french contract i would expect him to honor that contract and be punished under french law if he broke it. I was waiting for a statement by millennium to clear this up as maybe it was not as bad as it sounded but apparently it, them pouching coL's player, worse even them stealing a player from coL. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
After a long discussion, Stephano understood his mistake and decided to stay with Millenium for the next 12 months On your own website you have this posted in another news article. Unless it's a mistranslation or I'm misinterpreting that statement, you obviously did not speak to coL in that long discussion where he "realized his mistake" and now you say there needs to be more communication between teams and you want to resolve this with the other team in the best way possible after the fact? That's just a tad bit disingenuous. | ||
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Attiicus
United States84 Posts
Want we want is an idea of what happened, not excuses. | ||
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KingVietKong
United States170 Posts
You are not fucking helping yourself Millenium. If you don't give a shit about what we think (as it would seem from this statement) then it would be best to hang up your keyboards. | ||
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cactusjack914
United States183 Posts
we would like you to understand that Internet gossip is not always ground truth, and that things are often more complicated than they might seem to be Ohhh okay. I guess there was just a big misunderstanding. So were your allegations against coL just part of that misunderstood gossip? oohh i see now. | ||
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kudjuk
15 Posts
From an american PoV you might argue that this is how its done and that you want to know all the details, but from a french PoV, they do things behind closed doors and not publicly. However I am pretty choked at CoL's PR statement pointing finger and saying they have proof when they actually didnt show any and might not have any. I mean Millenium is saying there was no contact with CoL and CoL is saying we were bidding... If you ask for facts from Millenium why not ask for proof from CoL? Be reasonable this is PR and flaming will not get you answers, it will just prove to Millenium that they are right to keep in formations from the public. Millenium let Huk and ToD go for other gaming house, was there any problem before? the answer is simply NO. So if they claim there was a problem with CoL, I would give them the benefit of the doubt until things are resolved. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
- Stephano signed with complexity - Stephano signes with Millenium afterwards - one of Milleniums staff states on stream that complexity's contract is invalid in french law (which might very well be true) - Millenium leaking statement that hints at that they think they are in the right I don't really care who is right or wrong legally, but I sure know who lost a lot of credibility and respect from me... | ||
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cactusjack914
United States183 Posts
but from a french PoV, they do things behind closed doors and not publicly. the first thing they responded with was that coL "disoriented" stephano into signing the contract. sounds like closed doors to me. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
I am indeed a bit biased towards M, but I tried to be as neutral as possible. There have been two critics to this post, first being that M & coL spoke beforehand, see my answer here : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267130¤tpage=140#2790 Second is coL did nothing wrong by going directly to Stephano and not speaking to M, my answer here : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267130¤tpage=140#2798 I agree the statement feels a bit empty, however it does say there was an oral agreement between M and Stephano prior to the coL & Stephano contract, and one should not dismiss this fact easily. As far as I am concerned, biggest mistake was made by Stephano, not M who is only trying to protect its interests as any company would do. I do not support Stephano actions, but I (mostly, the trashtalk about the coL contract and the wrongly worded first statement could have been avoided) support M ones. If that matters, I don't think coL did anything legally wrong either, though speaking to Millenium the weeks before the signup would have avoided all this mess. | ||
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