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On September 20 2011 23:15 kudjuk wrote:
I might be wrong but Millenium never posted to reply to trolls and such things, so dont expect more then that statement.
From an american PoV you might argue that this is how its done and that you want to know all the details, but from a french PoV, they do things behind closed doors and not publicly.
However I am pretty choked at CoL's PR statement pointing finger and saying they have proof when they actually didnt show any and might not have any. I mean Millenium is saying there was no contact with CoL and CoL is saying we were bidding...
If you ask for facts from Millenium why not ask for proof from CoL? Be reasonable this is PR and flaming will not get you answers, it will just prove to Millenium that they are right to keep in formations from the public.
Millenium let Huk and ToD go for other gaming house, was there any problem before? the answer is simply NO. So if they claim there was a problem with CoL, I would give them the benefit of the doubt until things are resolved.
did you read the Complexity statement, they have logs to back up each point they listed, though i'm sure they wont be released to general public. The wouldn't make a statement like tis without SOME form of evidence (talking about the "having logs" part). Complexity a this point has total transparancy, mill is just saying ignore the situation.
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So your player signs a contract after so many days of negotiations, offers and counteroffers and after you lose the player you "FORCE" the player to disregard his obligations to the contract cause there "might" be loopholes according to French law? Are you kidding us?
I do not care if there are loopholes in that contract, the player signed it and should pay whatever consequences for breaking that contract were agreed upon...
I lost ALL respect that i had in Millenium team and i seriously hope that Complexity sues them.
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To be honest, this statement sounds like what a lawyer or a PR spokesperson would write. In other words it's a lot of words without any substance. I do appreciate that Millenium is open to trying to make things right though.
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Mil still doesn't have my respect after this. Unfortunately, you're actions have lost you a fan for good.
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waits for state of the game and live on three, i dont think Mill will come out unblemished
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On September 20 2011 23:24 tubs wrote:
To be honest, this statement sounds like what a lawyer or a PR spokesperson would write. In other words it's a lot of words without any substance. I do appreciate that Millenium is open to trying to make things right though.
Yeah I feel the same way. I feel like I just read a brief summary of what has already been said. I wish Mill would give us their story of what actually happened.
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On September 20 2011 23:22 darklight54321 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:15 kudjuk wrote:
I might be wrong but Millenium never posted to reply to trolls and such things, so dont expect more then that statement.
From an american PoV you might argue that this is how its done and that you want to know all the details, but from a french PoV, they do things behind closed doors and not publicly.
However I am pretty choked at CoL's PR statement pointing finger and saying they have proof when they actually didnt show any and might not have any. I mean Millenium is saying there was no contact with CoL and CoL is saying we were bidding...
If you ask for facts from Millenium why not ask for proof from CoL? Be reasonable this is PR and flaming will not get you answers, it will just prove to Millenium that they are right to keep in formations from the public.
Millenium let Huk and ToD go for other gaming house, was there any problem before? the answer is simply NO. So if they claim there was a problem with CoL, I would give them the benefit of the doubt until things are resolved. did you read the Complexity statement, they have logs to back up each point they listed, though i'm sure they wont be released to general public. The wouldn't make a statement like tis without SOME form of evidence (talking about the "having logs" part). Complexity a this point has total transparancy, mill is just saying ignore the situation.
Ok so explain to me why if there was a bidding, Millenium wasnt made aware of it and of the result? And if they have logs to back it, how come Millenium staff never spoke to a Complexity member?
Seriously how can you prove there was a bidding if both teams never talked to each other?
if your answer is : maybe Stephano told them he had better with millenium few times, it doesnt make it a bidding, it makes it a negotiation between Stephano and CoL, doesnt it?
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I would like to see a real explanation. From Stephano too.
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This is even worse than imbalance inanity.
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On September 20 2011 23:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I would like to see a real explanation. From Stephano too.
This whole thing is very confusing. Agreed with you naz.
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On September 20 2011 23:15 kudjuk wrote:
I might be wrong but Millenium never posted to reply to trolls and such things, so dont expect more then that statement.
From an american PoV you might argue that this is how its done and that you want to know all the details, but from a french PoV, they do things behind closed doors and not publicly.
From your point of view you mean. Please don't generalize.
Most people just want to know what happened, no need to go into all the details for that. And after 2 days of refusing to engage in a discussion with Col, they come out and says that they will take the high road and discuss things with Col, because it is what esport needs.
No need to discuss the contract publicly, of course, but an official statement explaining their side of the story would be what's best. Then both team discuss, and we let them, and we hear their conclusions afterwards.
From the moment that there was a clear and public misunderstanding, things have also became a matter of public image. From that point, transparency is the better choice, regardless of the country you live in, especially if one of the team refuses to engage in discussion.
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On September 20 2011 23:24 LovE-z33k wrote:
Mil still doesn't have my respect after this. Unfortunately, you're actions have lost you a fan for good.
Frankly speaking, I doubt they really care about the international community. It seems that all they care about is the french e-sport scene and themselves. Unlike you, I was never a fan of M but like you, I will never be after this crazy incident.
Millenium have been pretty shady with their statements and some of the stuff they have released has been absolutely disgraceful. This statement is just another shady one which tells people nothing except that they think they are right and Complexity is wrong.
Let's just hope some moral justice is done and if international contract law fails to resolve this, the community will do some self regulation and ensure that players do not break contracts with no repercussions. A 6 -12 month ban from major tournaments should warn players and team not to pull this stunt in future
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This statement gives a lot of sweet nothings.
Also: lol
Let's just hope some moral justice is done and if international contract law fails to resolve this, the community will do some self regulation and ensure that players do not break contracts with no repercussions. A 6 -12 month ban from major tournaments should warn players and team not to pull this stunt in future
talk about white knights.
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I am so confused and don't even understand what is going on anymore. My head is spinning from reading so many contradicting updates to this situation. I'm going to wait till everything is solved to even make up my mind on this issue.
p.s. i bet this is what carmac was talking about!
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This whole thing comes across as extremely dodgy and weird from Milleniums side especially.
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On September 20 2011 22:21 Whiplash wrote:
Col released a transparent statement of their view of everything that happened, you guys still haven't.
TBH honest, they don't have to. I'd rather they just hash it out privately and come back to the community with some concrete conclusions, because so far I feel it's all just been drama filled posturing and positioning. I'm sure from their perspective they don't want to do this publicly or start a back and forth on TL and neither are they required or are we as fans entitled. Answers will come, I'm just going to be patient.
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So now that you've secured your player indefinitely, you're willing to shake hands with the team you screwed over. How professional
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what was the point of this statement
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This is really confusing. Where ever Stephano goes we will support him. I think he can be Code S!
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Stephano to Korea Code S please!
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