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darklight54321
Profile Joined July 2011
United States361 Posts
September 20 2011 14:22 GMT
#81
On September 20 2011 23:15 kudjuk wrote:
I might be wrong but Millenium never posted to reply to trolls and such things, so dont expect more then that statement.
From an american PoV you might argue that this is how its done and that you want to know all the details, but from a french PoV, they do things behind closed doors and not publicly.
However I am pretty choked at CoL's PR statement pointing finger and saying they have proof when they actually didnt show any and might not have any. I mean Millenium is saying there was no contact with CoL and CoL is saying we were bidding...
If you ask for facts from Millenium why not ask for proof from CoL? Be reasonable this is PR and flaming will not get you answers, it will just prove to Millenium that they are right to keep in formations from the public.

Millenium let Huk and ToD go for other gaming house, was there any problem before? the answer is simply NO. So if they claim there was a problem with CoL, I would give them the benefit of the doubt until things are resolved.



did you read the Complexity statement, they have logs to back up each point they listed, though i'm sure they wont be released to general public. The wouldn't make a statement like tis without SOME form of evidence (talking about the "having logs" part). Complexity a this point has total transparancy, mill is just saying ignore the situation.
Shodanss
Profile Joined November 2010
Greece245 Posts
September 20 2011 14:23 GMT
#82
So your player signs a contract after so many days of negotiations, offers and counteroffers and after you lose the player you "FORCE" the player to disregard his obligations to the contract cause there "might" be loopholes according to French law? Are you kidding us?
I do not care if there are loopholes in that contract, the player signed it and should pay whatever consequences for breaking that contract were agreed upon...
I lost ALL respect that i had in Millenium team and i seriously hope that Complexity sues them.
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tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
September 20 2011 14:24 GMT
#83
To be honest, this statement sounds like what a lawyer or a PR spokesperson would write. In other words it's a lot of words without any substance. I do appreciate that Millenium is open to trying to make things right though.
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
September 20 2011 14:24 GMT
#84
Mil still doesn't have my respect after this. Unfortunately, you're actions have lost you a fan for good.
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
FallenEncore
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom64 Posts
September 20 2011 14:27 GMT
#85
waits for state of the game and live on three, i dont think Mill will come out unblemished
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
September 20 2011 14:27 GMT
#86
On September 20 2011 23:24 tubs wrote:
To be honest, this statement sounds like what a lawyer or a PR spokesperson would write. In other words it's a lot of words without any substance. I do appreciate that Millenium is open to trying to make things right though.


Yeah I feel the same way. I feel like I just read a brief summary of what has already been said. I wish Mill would give us their story of what actually happened.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
kudjuk
Profile Joined February 2011
15 Posts
September 20 2011 14:29 GMT
#87
On September 20 2011 23:22 darklight54321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 23:15 kudjuk wrote:
I might be wrong but Millenium never posted to reply to trolls and such things, so dont expect more then that statement.
From an american PoV you might argue that this is how its done and that you want to know all the details, but from a french PoV, they do things behind closed doors and not publicly.
However I am pretty choked at CoL's PR statement pointing finger and saying they have proof when they actually didnt show any and might not have any. I mean Millenium is saying there was no contact with CoL and CoL is saying we were bidding...
If you ask for facts from Millenium why not ask for proof from CoL? Be reasonable this is PR and flaming will not get you answers, it will just prove to Millenium that they are right to keep in formations from the public.

Millenium let Huk and ToD go for other gaming house, was there any problem before? the answer is simply NO. So if they claim there was a problem with CoL, I would give them the benefit of the doubt until things are resolved.



did you read the Complexity statement, they have logs to back up each point they listed, though i'm sure they wont be released to general public. The wouldn't make a statement like tis without SOME form of evidence (talking about the "having logs" part). Complexity a this point has total transparancy, mill is just saying ignore the situation.


Ok so explain to me why if there was a bidding, Millenium wasnt made aware of it and of the result? And if they have logs to back it, how come Millenium staff never spoke to a Complexity member?
Seriously how can you prove there was a bidding if both teams never talked to each other?
if your answer is : maybe Stephano told them he had better with millenium few times, it doesnt make it a bidding, it makes it a negotiation between Stephano and CoL, doesnt it?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
September 20 2011 14:31 GMT
#88
I would like to see a real explanation. From Stephano too.
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Mahavishnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada396 Posts
September 20 2011 14:31 GMT
#89
This is even worse than imbalance inanity.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 20 2011 14:32 GMT
#90
On September 20 2011 23:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I would like to see a real explanation. From Stephano too.

This whole thing is very confusing. Agreed with you naz.
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MandoRelease
Profile Joined October 2010
France374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 14:34:39
September 20 2011 14:33 GMT
#91
On September 20 2011 23:15 kudjuk wrote:
I might be wrong but Millenium never posted to reply to trolls and such things, so dont expect more then that statement.
From an american PoV you might argue that this is how its done and that you want to know all the details, but from a french PoV, they do things behind closed doors and not publicly.


From your point of view you mean. Please don't generalize.
Most people just want to know what happened, no need to go into all the details for that. And after 2 days of refusing to engage in a discussion with Col, they come out and says that they will take the high road and discuss things with Col, because it is what esport needs.

No need to discuss the contract publicly, of course, but an official statement explaining their side of the story would be what's best. Then both team discuss, and we let them, and we hear their conclusions afterwards.

From the moment that there was a clear and public misunderstanding, things have also became a matter of public image. From that point, transparency is the better choice, regardless of the country you live in, especially if one of the team refuses to engage in discussion.
When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. Huge IMLosirA fan.
Terrik
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore35 Posts
September 20 2011 14:33 GMT
#92
On September 20 2011 23:24 LovE-z33k wrote:
Mil still doesn't have my respect after this. Unfortunately, you're actions have lost you a fan for good.


Frankly speaking, I doubt they really care about the international community. It seems that all they care about is the french e-sport scene and themselves. Unlike you, I was never a fan of M but like you, I will never be after this crazy incident.

Millenium have been pretty shady with their statements and some of the stuff they have released has been absolutely disgraceful. This statement is just another shady one which tells people nothing except that they think they are right and Complexity is wrong.

Let's just hope some moral justice is done and if international contract law fails to resolve this, the community will do some self regulation and ensure that players do not break contracts with no repercussions. A 6 -12 month ban from major tournaments should warn players and team not to pull this stunt in future
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 14:35:13
September 20 2011 14:34 GMT
#93
This statement gives a lot of sweet nothings.

Also: lol

Let's just hope some moral justice is done and if international contract law fails to resolve this, the community will do some self regulation and ensure that players do not break contracts with no repercussions. A 6 -12 month ban from major tournaments should warn players and team not to pull this stunt in future


talk about white knights.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
September 20 2011 14:34 GMT
#94
I am so confused and don't even understand what is going on anymore. My head is spinning from reading so many contradicting updates to this situation. I'm going to wait till everything is solved to even make up my mind on this issue.

p.s. i bet this is what carmac was talking about!
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
September 20 2011 14:34 GMT
#95
This whole thing comes across as extremely dodgy and weird from Milleniums side especially.
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opm1s6
Profile Joined September 2010
United States42 Posts
September 20 2011 14:34 GMT
#96
On September 20 2011 22:21 Whiplash wrote:
Col released a transparent statement of their view of everything that happened, you guys still haven't.


TBH honest, they don't have to. I'd rather they just hash it out privately and come back to the community with some concrete conclusions, because so far I feel it's all just been drama filled posturing and positioning. I'm sure from their perspective they don't want to do this publicly or start a back and forth on TL and neither are they required or are we as fans entitled. Answers will come, I'm just going to be patient.
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
September 20 2011 14:35 GMT
#97
So now that you've secured your player indefinitely, you're willing to shake hands with the team you screwed over. How professional
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
September 20 2011 14:38 GMT
#98
what was the point of this statement
Heathen
Profile Joined January 2011
Philippines351 Posts
September 20 2011 14:38 GMT
#99
This is really confusing. Where ever Stephano goes we will support him. I think he can be Code S!
Heathen
Profile Joined January 2011
Philippines351 Posts
September 20 2011 14:38 GMT
#100
Stephano to Korea Code S please!
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