EPTStatement of Millenium on the Stephano situation - Page 32
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FluidKMC
United States45 Posts
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
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Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
On September 22 2011 02:13 FluidKMC wrote: maybe i dont understand how the law works but how could milennium even have a case? Because a contract sounds very scary and everything. But a contract is a very vague legal term. We have no clue what Stephano signed. And even if he in fact signed some kind of contract that forbid him to change teams that soon again there are still reason why he / Millenium could get away with it. Long story short, it's complicated. | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On September 22 2011 02:13 FluidKMC wrote: maybe i dont understand how the law works but how could milennium even have a case? its a french thing. you can back out of some contracts within a 30 day grace period, maybe. | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On September 21 2011 23:42 Testuser wrote: Hi Mill. I have no respect for you whatsoever after this (nor Stephano). Col seeks to expand e-sports, and are doing a very good job at it. I understand their frustration, and I do not wish to tune in to any casts/streaming involving your team. I'm not angry, merely disgusted at your apparent lack of professionalism. If e-sports is going to grow, things needs to be done the right way, which you didn't. The best thing you can do right now is kick Stephano of the team, so there can at least be some fairness, we don't need such people in all honesty. Sincerely, me. Please, I want to understand why you are "disgusted". Because a team doesn't want the player they made big; to be stolen by anoter team ? Yeah, the way it happened is unprofessionnal, but imho, it's only stephano's fault by not really thinking about consequences, and now Mill try their best to protect him because he made a mistake. Anyway, you as me, as all of us have NO clue about what happened. You can only have an opinion about the issue, but you need to stop making this kind of disgusting assertions. As a french player, I really can't see Mill's manager pressure Stephano the way you describe it. | ||
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
On September 21 2011 23:42 Testuser wrote: Hi Mill. I have no respect for you whatsoever after this (nor Stephano). Col seeks to expand e-sports, and are doing a very good job at it. I understand their frustration, and I do not wish to tune in to any casts/streaming involving your team. I'm not angry, merely disgusted at your apparent lack of professionalism. If e-sports is going to grow, things needs to be done the right way, which you didn't. The best thing you can do right now is kick Stephano of the team, so there can at least be some fairness, we don't need such people in all honesty. Sincerely, me. I second this post.. Also sad to see no response yet from them | ||
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On September 22 2011 02:33 Gevna wrote: Please, I want to understand why you are "disgusted". Because a team doesn't want the player they made big; to be stolen by anoter team ? Yeah, the way it happened is unprofessionnal, but imho, it's only stephano's fault by not really thinking about consequences, and now Mill try their best to protect him because he made a mistake. Anyway, you as me, as all of us have NO clue about what happened. You can only have an opinion about the issue, but you need to stop making this kind of disgusting assertions. As a french player, I really can't see Mill's manager pressure Stephano the way you describe it. you can't have a player stolen if you don't have the rights IE a contract with them. you are right, no one knows what actually happened, we have only CoL's account seeing as millenium's statement looks to be written by politicians....you know, alot of words that don't actually say anything.... so pretty much it looks like millenium is at fault for if not pressuring stephano to change his mind, knowingly signing him after he had been signed by CoL. if millenium hasn't done any of these things then they should lay out the facts instead of giving a statement that addresses none of the accusations in any way. | ||
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lvent
United States140 Posts
I just cannot grasp how a team trying to get xxxx player onto their roster has any responsibility to report to xxxx player's prior team when xxxx player is a free agent/not under contract. Perhaps the only way I can see a possible instance would be if 2 teams have some sort of partnership like OGs and Liquid(*just as an example!). For teams with no relationships this should never be used against them as a reason why "they were wrong". A free agent is a free agent. If three teams are throwing offers to someone and the player verbally agrees to one then its on him/her to let the other people know what is what. It really was not fair that the player agree verbally to one team and them physically signs with another team. Sadly there will be no recourse for actions like these that should be placed on players that actually do shady things like this, unless tournaments and leagues start refusing them and take a stand about seriously trying to make this work and work right. My two cents anyways.,,, | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
On September 22 2011 02:33 Gevna wrote: Please, I want to understand why you are "disgusted". Because a team doesn't want the player they made big; to be stolen by anoter team ? Yeah, the way it happened is unprofessionnal, but imho, it's only stephano's fault by not really thinking about consequences, and now Mill try their best to protect him because he made a mistake. Anyway, you as me, as all of us have NO clue about what happened. You can only have an opinion about the issue, but you need to stop making this kind of disgusting assertions. As a french player, I really can't see Mill's manager pressure Stephano the way you describe it. Wait, what ? Stolen ? No contracts where there in the first place. Milleniums statement wasn't even a statement. The only side we know for sure is the one CoL has posted. So I'll side with them. Weird how Millenium avoids the matter with that worthless statement, eh ? | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On September 22 2011 05:53 Sqq wrote: Wait, what ? Stolen ? No contracts where there in the first place. Milleniums statement wasn't even a statement. The only side we know for sure is the one CoL has posted. So I'll side with them. Weird how Millenium avoids the matter with that worthless statement, eh ? I agrree stolen is a hard word for this, but even without contract, Stephano is a part of millenium, he is payed and play for them. Somedays before this affair, Mill's manager was confirming that Stephano will be in Millenium for the next year. So, for me there is something wrong in Col's side. About the statement, we can have the feeling that Mill is making fun of us, but maybe they don't want unlike Col, to publicize intern issues. They lack of transparence, but it's their politic, and that's seem okay for me. We don't need to know everything. Like I said, I'm not trying to put light on the issue, I'm just saying that you and me can't judge, while we know nothing. | ||
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lvent
United States140 Posts
On September 22 2011 06:07 Gevna wrote: I agrree stolen is a hard word for this, but even without contract, Stephano is a part of millenium, he is payed and play for them. Somedays before this affair, Mill's manager was confirming that Stephano will be in Millenium for the next year. So, for me there is something wrong in Col's side. About the statement, we can have the feeling that Mill is making fun of us, but maybe they don't want unlike Col, to publicize intern issues. They lack of transparence, but it's their politic, and that's seem okay for me. We don't need to know everything. Like I said, I'm not trying to put light on the issue, I'm just saying that you and me can't judge, while we know nothing. I am sorry but when you use a phrase such as : "The techniques used by Complexity to recruit Stephano were quite disorienting to influence our young player towards a bad decision. After a long discussion, Stephano understood his mistake and decided to stay with Millenium for the next 12 months" I believe it is on them to show valid reason for making some pretty damning statements/accusations about another SC2 team. Given the way this whole mess has played out it is probably best that CoL are not stuck with him. His character in the situation has been telling to say the least.... | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
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wraggy1234
United Kingdom135 Posts
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ForeverSleep
Canada920 Posts
On September 20 2011 22:28 -Archangel- wrote: This statement sound like something politicians from my country say every day on TV. It sound like a lot of talk and no content. don't worry, they sound like that in my country too lol. And also, I like millenium and all, but they really should explain wtf is going on. I mean, so far, I know that Col is pissed and Mil are acting like the guys trying to chill the ambiance, but kinda failing right now... | ||
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On September 22 2011 06:07 Gevna wrote: I agrree stolen is a hard word for this, but even without contract, Stephano is a part of millenium, he is payed and play for them. Somedays before this affair, Mill's manager was confirming that Stephano will be in Millenium for the next year. So, for me there is something wrong in Col's side. About the statement, we can have the feeling that Mill is making fun of us, but maybe they don't want unlike Col, to publicize intern issues. They lack of transparence, but it's their politic, and that's seem okay for me. We don't need to know everything. Like I said, I'm not trying to put light on the issue, I'm just saying that you and me can't judge, while we know nothing. yes but just like i am currently employed by my company, without a contract i am free to leave at any time. the same situation applies. | ||
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Cluster
Sweden125 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On September 22 2011 02:17 gogogadgetflow wrote: its a french thing. you can back out of some contracts within a 30 day grace period, maybe. any citizen can back out of a contract with a non citizen in 30 days with no penalty. Basicaly Mill is untouchable with this. | ||
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On September 22 2011 07:39 sermokala wrote: any citizen can back out of a contract with a non citizen in 30 days with no penalty. Basicaly Mill is untouchable with this. source please. | ||
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JawHun
United States151 Posts
What he said. | ||
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Proflo
United States148 Posts
I would also like a source for this... I've seen it stated in multiple places adressing this topic, but I have yet to see proof of its existence... It seems extremely shifty that this law would be all encompassing.... | ||
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