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schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
September 20 2011 16:18 GMT
#121
why is everybody complaining about this?

this whole *player changes team* thing is growing into the soap opera of SC2... -.-
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
momonami5
Profile Joined July 2011
United States109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 16:20:14
September 20 2011 16:19 GMT
#122
stephano signed a perm, contract that not to smart not even proffesional sport players do that. Huge mistake on his part :x
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
September 20 2011 16:20 GMT
#123
This doesn't actually explain anything. Its not really a "statement"
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
September 20 2011 16:21 GMT
#124
On September 21 2011 01:14 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 01:05 Chargelot wrote:
On September 21 2011 00:24 Gamegene wrote:
On September 20 2011 23:57 jib117 wrote:
The fact that you are still saying absolutely nothing about what actually happened shows how in the wrong you are.


Nope.

We don't know anything, so they could be right for all we know. Which is why we want more information. Can't jump to conclusions yet~


Your statement borders on naivety. The guy hiding in the shadows is doing so for a reason.


zzzz.

If it's naive to want to hear accountable information from BOTH sides before condemning them then yes I am very naive!


It's naive to believe the guys who are scared of the public are scared because they're totally and completely in the right. Do I want information? Of course. But what I don't want is over-hyped nationalist or worthless (the two ideas aren't necessarily mutually exclusive) bullshit, which is all we have gotten from Mil. You don't dodge questions because they reveal you're the good guy.

But the Z's are cute, it really shows how mature you are.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 20 2011 16:21 GMT
#125
On September 20 2011 22:21 Whiplash wrote:
Col released a transparent statement of their view of everything that happened, you guys still haven't.


Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you Millenium. Can we stop with the flowery meta-speech?
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MetalLobster
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada532 Posts
September 20 2011 16:21 GMT
#126
I hope coL takes legal action, things like this in esports is going to happen again if an example is not made of those who think they can just sign a contract and disrespect it off the bat.
snurre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States118 Posts
September 20 2011 16:21 GMT
#127
On September 21 2011 01:16 MuB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 01:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On September 20 2011 22:29 Denizen[9] wrote:
millenium made stephano to sign a permanent contract, thats probably the worst thing stefano could do


A permanent contract? WTF does that even mean?



That's a CDI, in short it means they can't fire stephano unless they pay him like 6 month salary and some other stuff.

It simply means a work contract without an end date. It can be terminated by agreement from both parts, but Stephano cannot be fired except in serious violations. French labor laws are really strong for employees.
leperphilliac
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States399 Posts
September 20 2011 16:21 GMT
#128
This statement doesn't really explain ANYTHING in concrete terms...

Even if they didnt' do anything "legally" wrong it's still shady as hell.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
September 20 2011 16:22 GMT
#129
On September 21 2011 01:16 MuB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 01:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On September 20 2011 22:29 Denizen[9] wrote:
millenium made stephano to sign a permanent contract, thats probably the worst thing stefano could do


A permanent contract? WTF does that even mean?



That's a CDI, in short it means they can't fire stephano unless they pay him like 6 month salary and some other stuff.


I see, after doing a little research a French CDI is pretty standard and less dramatic than the term "permanent contract" implies but is also rather vague to me if that's a typical contract.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 20 2011 16:22 GMT
#130
Honestly, this really doesn't deserve a thread spot on TL. It has literally zero actual content in it.
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slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
September 20 2011 16:24 GMT
#131
all the OP really does is re-iterate stuff we already know
blah blah blah...
zerker2strong
Profile Joined May 2011
775 Posts
September 20 2011 16:25 GMT
#132
Why would u ever sign a permanent contract thst would destroy stephano's career
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 16:25:54
September 20 2011 16:25 GMT
#133
On September 21 2011 01:13 AzurewinD wrote:
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On September 21 2011 01:04 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
quite the blanket statement you made there.
In addition, very practical difficulties ranging from busy schedules to time differences partially account for some of the mistakes or misunderstandings that might have led to this complicated situation.

good one, especially when Stephano and the team manager were both streaming on the day the entire thing unwrapped. "can't read my emails, im streaming" yeah right



Exactly. That had me baffled more than anything else about Millenium's actions.

Damn, what baffled me more was the fact that coL didn't even contact M (no, they didn't, reread statements carefully, they contacted Stephano only) before signing Stephano even if Stephano was playing with M and had an agreement about a future contract with them.

I guess taking some time to cool his head before answering coL and / or making a (second) flaming statement was a really bad idea, huh ! (yeah, I wasn't a big fan of M first statement either)

As a matter of fact, the stream was about an important cup and it was impossible to delay it. The SC2 manager said on this stream he didn't have the time to answer to coL yet (work + stream) and that it'll have to wait to the day after (tuesday = today).
Shadow and dust
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 20 2011 16:25 GMT
#134
All this said was "chill out", but offers no information in what happened.
liftlift > tsm
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
September 20 2011 16:25 GMT
#135
Shouldn't you have done that first?
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fuzzayy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
September 20 2011 16:25 GMT
#136
Hopefully he goes to col
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
September 20 2011 16:27 GMT
#137
Wow, How about we let Stephano make a statement for himself about what's going on?

Or wait, does Millenium even let players out of their cages when its not starcraft time?
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
September 20 2011 16:27 GMT
#138
On September 21 2011 01:10 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 22:29 Denizen[9] wrote:
millenium made stephano to sign a permanent contract, thats probably the worst thing stefano could do


A permanent contract? WTF does that even mean?



Life time contract...
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 16:29:00
September 20 2011 16:27 GMT
#139
On September 21 2011 01:21 Chargelot wrote:
It's naive to believe the guys who are scared of the public are scared because they're totally and completely in the right. Do I want information? Of course. But what I don't want is over-hyped nationalist or worthless (the two ideas aren't necessarily mutually exclusive) bullshit, which is all we have gotten from Mil. You don't dodge questions because they reveal you're the good guy.

But the Z's are cute, it really shows how mature you are.


Did I say that I support Millennium and they're completely right?

I don't know. I don't KNOW.
So I'm not going to call them out saying "WAAAA. YOU RELEASED A BS STATEMENT THEREFORE YOU MUST BE WRONG!"

I don't like their statements either pal! But you can't just condemn them over that!

for me at least: innocent until proven guilty!
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
daviday
Profile Joined September 2011
Hong Kong33 Posts
September 20 2011 16:27 GMT
#140
The situation is pretty simple.

Lwl said that everything was done overnight. Basicly there was talk between stephano and complexity for quite some time and counteroffers by millenium.

This is proven by statement of Jason from Complexity quoting stephano " i changed my mind ".

So basicly , making an offer at 5PM and making him sign right away is just nor really professional from Complexity. As the Last offer was made overnight , its clear that millenium had no idea about it. Why ? ( When you try to recrut a player from ANOTHER team and ANOTHER country and dont want to have this kind of thing hapen you just dont make them sign overnight and annouce it right away that just common sens... )

Its simple and i Dont understand how people can really think that IF millenium was really knowing the last offer they would have WAITED for complexity to annouce stephano to make a counter offer ? For what ? Free drama ? That just plain dumb. That prove that they didnt knew shit about that last offer.

Second point :

Why would stephano leave a team such as Millenium with tons of great players , for One like Complexity with only low-pro... only for money ? Probably... Or to be the star of a team where he have 10 times the level of his teamate ? I dont think that ideal for complexity.

Last thing , as for complexity having more money that millenium or making stephano travel alot... we'll see about that when ATLEAST one of their player come to play a tourney in europe..
Also stephano explicitly said that he DOES NOT WANT to go to korea on long term. ( unlike ToD )

.. i cant see stephano loosing to mutch here..

He will be going back so his team , with former team mate , with people whom he trust and when his 1 year contract will be over.. he will have NO PROBLEM finding another team if he wants too. Cause no team would pass on stephano he is to good , even after this drama. But anyway in 1 year everyone will have forget about that.

Last but not least , great move from millenium witch are sure to keep him 1 whole years .GG
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