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On September 20 2011 22:36 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
I dont think all these win ratios can even be taken into consideration..
think of how many scrub protoss just cannon rush and fail or fake nexus attack and fail compared to the amount of actual macro player protoss
in my experience ive seen protoss palyers opt for the cheese over playing normal more than any other race
idk why people relate win ratios in GSL/tournaments to the race instead of the player behind it...
Without statistical evidence that a majority of P "palyers" opt for cheese, you're just blowing hot air. Also, I get all-ined by Terran 3/5 games I play. Meanwhile, a Zerg that loses to a cannon rush or Nexus cancel deserves the loss for utter scouting fail.
And it's pretty significant that the last 2 GSL Finals have been ZvZ and TvT, while P win percentage is the lowest of the 3 races. The latter has nothing to do with players and everything to do with imbalance/over-nerfing of P by Blizzard. No race has suffered more nerfs since release (Khaydarin, VR speed, Warpgate)... not even close.
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I had high hopes for this thread after reading the OP and seeing his cute little zealot.
Stop whining, moar encouraging Protoss pictures!
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On September 20 2011 23:34 Snaphoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:36 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
I dont think all these win ratios can even be taken into consideration..
think of how many scrub protoss just cannon rush and fail or fake nexus attack and fail compared to the amount of actual macro player protoss
in my experience ive seen protoss palyers opt for the cheese over playing normal more than any other race
idk why people relate win ratios in GSL/tournaments to the race instead of the player behind it...
Without statistical evidence that a majority of P "palyers" opt for cheese, you're just blowing hot air. Also, I get all-ined by Terran 3/5 games I play. Meanwhile, a Zerg that loses to a cannon rush or Nexus cancel deserves the loss for utter scouting fail. And it's pretty significant that the last 2 GSL Finals have been ZvZ and TvT, while P win percentage is the lowest of the 3 races. The latter has nothing to do with players and everything to do with imbalance/over-nerfing of P by Blizzard. No race has suffered more nerfs since release (Khaydarin, VR speed, Warpgate)... not even close.
I will argue Warpgate nerf hurts P more than most people realize.
1) P can only have shitty Gateway units because of how flexible it is to get units anywhere and to get units first then pay (cooldown) later.
2) It forces P to chrono the crap out of long ass research just to say even (imagine Zergs being forced to spend 100 energy on first queen spreading creep).
That being said, Hero is a fucking HERO.
Really hope he makes into Code S, though I think he'd hit a wall in Code S because Idk how good he is vs Terran.
I've only been impressed by his PvZ.
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"Protoss Encouragement Thread"
3 pages of non-protosses encouraging toss to do better, 3 pages of protoss saying FUCK U WE CAN'T IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. pretty amusing to say the least.
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puzzle down 
dunno why he would pick bomber. its cool to be confident and all but i dont think i've ever seen bomber lose a TvP and now puzzles going to up and downs
oh well HuK plays tonight and hes got a pretty favorable group
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You guys are NOT getting the point of OP ((
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On September 21 2011 01:12 adrift wrote:puzzle down dunno why he would pick bomber. its cool to be confident and all but i dont think i've ever seen bomber lose a TvP and now puzzles going to up and downs oh well HuK plays tonight and hes got a pretty favorable group
yea i think the only one who wins vP more than Bomber is Nestea, of any player from any race lol.
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patch out today......
whitra +warp prism 2.0 = nightmares
cant wait to see what he does wtih it thoguh.
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Ok protosses! I know what's wrong! All this complaining about ghosts is bringing them to the forefront. If we stop talking about them and start pretending like they don't exist, then maybe terrans will forget about ghosts and not make them, just like for the first 6 months of the game. And the PvT matchup will go back to being 50:50. Except that only happened when HTs still had their amulets... Dang I guess we should be given those back as well. 
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On September 20 2011 21:23 Bobster wrote:Protoss QQing about balance reminds me of rich people QQing about minor tax raises. You've dominated for such a long time, now accept that you're getting cut short - and start rallying behind those trying new strategies, experimenting, innovating! + Show Spoiler +Fuck, just take a look at the Top 5 highest earning non-Koreans: Huk, [Sen], White-Ra, Socke, Naniwa. Protoss are taking all the money!
Protoss were OP because people didn't innovate while protoss already used all of their arsenal. Now that zerg and terran are starting to do some other starts than mindless T1/T2 spam... well you see the result.
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On September 20 2011 21:30 zergrushkekeke wrote:Because they are the hero race Team Liquid deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt them because they can take it. Because they are not our heroes. They're a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Dark Templar in our mineral lines!!!
you sir won the thread
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protoss is fine
stop doing the same shit and actually do something creative and you can win
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On September 20 2011 22:19 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 21:23 Bobster wrote:Protoss QQing about balance reminds me of rich people QQing about minor tax raises. You've dominated for such a long time, now accept that you're getting cut short - and start rallying behind those trying new strategies, experimenting, innovating! + Show Spoiler +Fuck, just take a look at the Top 5 highest earning non-Koreans: Huk, [Sen], White-Ra, Socke, Naniwa. Protoss are taking all the money! Erm, when were Protoss "dominating"? Terran has been >50% winrate forever. EDIT: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Jvlvy.png) Look at the top graph. The blue line is on the top for pretty much that whole graph. Now tell me that Protoss has been dominating with a straight face. MC was dominating, that was it. One person does not a whole race make.
Now now, if you look closely there is a point in february where tosses are <0.2% under terran. THIS CANNOT STAND!
Now, to the more encouraging part of the post.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eOnKh.png)
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The thing about Protoss is that Gateway units are so weak on their own that if the other races just go completely and utterly overboard in countering the races 2 Xfactors; Collosus, HT they will win.
Thats why we see, Terrans spamming either ghost or Viking and rolling Protoss so easily.
If Protoss must rely on their two strongest units to survive at least make them reliable.
Collosus is the most unreliable unit in the game, if you over invest in it you just die from over massing Viking Corrupter.
HT should definetly have longer feedback range than the ghost emp........ Im thinking much longer range than currently. After all a single emp can destroy your game while a storm or feedback cannot do the same.
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Seeing that nobody is posting any funny/pretty pictures I'm going to post one to redirect this thread to nice things and away from balance whining.
I found this one on reddit yesteday:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HkjEt.png)
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On September 20 2011 16:27 feardragon wrote:
What are the chances TL could release a wallpaper size image of that GSL zealot from the first post/front of team liquid?
Maybe with the giant letters GSL in the middle and lonely little zealot in a far corner.
Kind of rough (I only spent 5 min and I'm at work), and not wallpaper sized, but at least sans GSL letters if you like:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5520d.jpg)
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if toss gets a significant one sided buff then i can see their win rate spiking up from 40% to unbeatable
gl balancing this one blizzard!
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pinball777
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I'm hoping to see some cool Warp Prism action soon, such a strong yet unexplored unit.
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EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WUpGL.jpg)
