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euroboy
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden536 Posts
September 20 2011 08:48 GMT
#341
Yea hellions might not do that much of damage to mineral lines anymore... but HELLO UNOUTRUNABLE SEEKER MISSILES! (and millions of auto turrets that lasts the whole game after to clean the rest up ).

Grummler
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany743 Posts
September 20 2011 08:53 GMT
#342
On September 20 2011 08:32 mprs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 08:28 LagT_T wrote:
50 gas for a detector? Preposterous!


Terran has it for 75 minerals. Seems like a better deal! But wait the other one moves!!! wait but the other one shoots air!! wait the other one contaminates and has shorter creation length!! yeah but the other only needs engi bay (t1.5) while the other needs t2!!!!

Almost as if they are different races and you can't uni-laterally compare stuff with any worth-while conclusion.



Spore crawlers are 75 minerals, turrets are 100. But yes, you cant compare stuff like that 1:1.

@Topic: I like the patch a lot. I think every single change is justified and is going to improve the overall balance, even though someone might argue that pvt needs more than subtle adjustments. But i guess all major changes will happen with hots.
workers, supply, money, workers, supply, money, workers, ...
ViDa.DuTchy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands7 Posts
September 20 2011 09:00 GMT
#343
happy with this patch will help towards the final goals of balancing this game out (there is no race better in every situation then other races) thought id throw that in there foor people that are trying to m me ))
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 09:02:11
September 20 2011 09:00 GMT
#344
On September 20 2011 17:21 Jesushooves wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 17:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 20 2011 16:51 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
On September 20 2011 16:27 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:30 Pokebunny wrote:
YES
YES
YES
YES

YES!!!!!!!!!

Hellion
Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5.


at long last.. TvT has been saved!!!

You mean TvT has most likely become an unplayable joke.......


Care to elaborate on that?
I'm no TvT fanatic but I would think that this would fix the ridiculously stupid (imo) hellion drops that have basically 2 outcomes:

Win the game/SEVERELY cripple opponent
OR
Lose 400 Minerals (and maybe 100/100 of a medivac)

Can't see why this wasn't a good change but I'm interested to see your input o.o

Pretty likely its gonna turn TvT into a bio matchup again, if it does I will quit TvT asaply.

Hellions were not overpowered TvT at all, making non-combat shield marines take 3 hits before they die is a joke =[ If it stays mech I dont care so much about the change but Im not sure it will.

Plenty of other pro terrans disagree with you though, Merz, Demuslim, and Kawaiirice to name a few. Outplaying your opponent for the majority of the game and then losing it because you didn't notice the drop in your main is ridiculous..sometimes you could even see them being dropped at the edge of your base but hellions are too fast and were too powerful for pulling scvs to make a difference.

I respect your opinion, but in my opinion watching marine tank vs marine tank is way more fun than this mass hellion/air wars crap...

They are all bio whores. Bio is even gayer anyway, 'oh no I didn't see the 5 dropships coming for my main, I guess I will have to base race or write GG now'.

Fucking stupid.

On September 20 2011 17:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 17:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 20 2011 16:51 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
On September 20 2011 16:27 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:30 Pokebunny wrote:
YES
YES
YES
YES

YES!!!!!!!!!

Hellion
Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5.


at long last.. TvT has been saved!!!

You mean TvT has most likely become an unplayable joke.......


Care to elaborate on that?
I'm no TvT fanatic but I would think that this would fix the ridiculously stupid (imo) hellion drops that have basically 2 outcomes:

Win the game/SEVERELY cripple opponent
OR
Lose 400 Minerals (and maybe 100/100 of a medivac)

Can't see why this wasn't a good change but I'm interested to see your input o.o

Pretty likely its gonna turn TvT into a bio matchup again, if it does I will quit TvT asaply.

Hellions were not overpowered TvT at all, making non-combat shield marines take 3 hits before they die is a joke =[ If it stays mech I dont care so much about the change but Im not sure it will.

I was thinking it was going to turn into more tank/marine, but I'm certainly no good at this game. I think certain maps will favor bio heavily against mech, where mech or tank marine will be viable on others. Only time will tell I guess

Marine-tank is bio to me =[
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
devilcry
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria53 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 09:05:23
September 20 2011 09:03 GMT
#345
great patch , looking forward to it !
CHOMPMannER
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada175 Posts
September 20 2011 09:04 GMT
#346
Hellion drops are still going to do horrible horrible damage to eco. You think a raider unit isn't going to fulfill a role just because a damage number gets knocked down?

The number doesn't mean anything when you have more than 6 Hellions





http://www.ipstarcraft.com/ --iPCHOMP
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
September 20 2011 09:05 GMT
#347
On September 20 2011 18:03 devilcry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 17:53 Grummler wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:32 mprs wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:28 LagT_T wrote:
50 gas for a detector? Preposterous!


Terran has it for 75 minerals. Seems like a better deal! But wait the other one moves!!! wait but the other one shoots air!! wait the other one contaminates and has shorter creation length!! yeah but the other only needs engi bay (t1.5) while the other needs t2!!!!

Almost as if they are different races and you can't uni-laterally compare stuff with any worth-while conclusion.



Spore crawlers are 75 minerals, turrets are 100. But yes, you cant compare stuff like that 1:1.

@Topic: I like the patch a lot. I think every single change is justified and is going to improve the overall balance, even though someone might argue that pvt needs more than subtle adjustments. But i guess all major changes will happen with hots.

im pretty sure turrets are 150 minerals



http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Missile_turret
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
September 20 2011 09:07 GMT
#348
They are all bio whores.


You don't want demuslim on your bad side, trust me.

You know who got on DeMu's bad side? Optikzero. DEMU CALLED HIM A THRASH MONKEY.

DATS RIGHT
memes are a dish best served dank
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
September 20 2011 09:13 GMT
#349
Don't forget you have to build a drone for a spore crawler, so it costs 125.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
CHOMPMannER
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada175 Posts
September 20 2011 09:14 GMT
#350
On September 20 2011 18:13 graNite wrote:
Don't forget you have to build a drone for a spore crawler, so it costs 125.


yah but you can also make drones 20 at a time
http://www.ipstarcraft.com/ --iPCHOMP
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 20 2011 09:19 GMT
#351
Well, I think marine / tank is more exciting to watch =)
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
September 20 2011 09:19 GMT
#352
On September 20 2011 18:13 graNite wrote:
Don't forget you have to build a drone for a spore crawler, so it costs 125.


You also have to factor that while the scv is building it won't mine, and that the drone could have mined until the end of the game if it had not been turned into a spore crawler and that while the scv is away building it won't get sniped by muta harass in the mineral line thus will mine later and...

You get the picture.
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 09:28:06
September 20 2011 09:20 GMT
#353
On September 20 2011 18:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 17:21 Jesushooves wrote:
On September 20 2011 17:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 20 2011 16:51 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
On September 20 2011 16:27 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:30 Pokebunny wrote:
YES
YES
YES
YES

YES!!!!!!!!!

Hellion
Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5.


at long last.. TvT has been saved!!!

You mean TvT has most likely become an unplayable joke.......


Care to elaborate on that?
I'm no TvT fanatic but I would think that this would fix the ridiculously stupid (imo) hellion drops that have basically 2 outcomes:

Win the game/SEVERELY cripple opponent
OR
Lose 400 Minerals (and maybe 100/100 of a medivac)

Can't see why this wasn't a good change but I'm interested to see your input o.o

Pretty likely its gonna turn TvT into a bio matchup again, if it does I will quit TvT asaply.

Hellions were not overpowered TvT at all, making non-combat shield marines take 3 hits before they die is a joke =[ If it stays mech I dont care so much about the change but Im not sure it will.

Plenty of other pro terrans disagree with you though, Merz, Demuslim, and Kawaiirice to name a few. Outplaying your opponent for the majority of the game and then losing it because you didn't notice the drop in your main is ridiculous..sometimes you could even see them being dropped at the edge of your base but hellions are too fast and were too powerful for pulling scvs to make a difference.

I respect your opinion, but in my opinion watching marine tank vs marine tank is way more fun than this mass hellion/air wars crap...

They are all bio whores. Bio is even gayer anyway, 'oh no I didn't see the 5 dropships coming for my main, I guess I will have to base race or write GG now'.

Fucking stupid.

Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 17:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 20 2011 17:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 20 2011 16:51 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
On September 20 2011 16:27 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:30 Pokebunny wrote:
YES
YES
YES
YES

YES!!!!!!!!!

Hellion
Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5.


at long last.. TvT has been saved!!!

You mean TvT has most likely become an unplayable joke.......


Care to elaborate on that?
I'm no TvT fanatic but I would think that this would fix the ridiculously stupid (imo) hellion drops that have basically 2 outcomes:

Win the game/SEVERELY cripple opponent
OR
Lose 400 Minerals (and maybe 100/100 of a medivac)

Can't see why this wasn't a good change but I'm interested to see your input o.o

Pretty likely its gonna turn TvT into a bio matchup again, if it does I will quit TvT asaply.

Hellions were not overpowered TvT at all, making non-combat shield marines take 3 hits before they die is a joke =[ If it stays mech I dont care so much about the change but Im not sure it will.

I was thinking it was going to turn into more tank/marine, but I'm certainly no good at this game. I think certain maps will favor bio heavily against mech, where mech or tank marine will be viable on others. Only time will tell I guess

Marine-tank is bio to me =[

i agree that pure bio is not fun whatsoever, marine+tank is decent but mech is the most fun. i still think mech will prevail over bio dont you? its not like mass marine will beat mech and we've seen pure MMM can beat mech (ie. polt). mass tank will still rape bio i hope. mech ftw!

edit: it was pretty hard to beat good mech player with pure MMM and with marine+tank it was almost impossible to beat pure mech so it's gonna be bit "easier"
http://www.twitch.tv/czelpredy
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
September 20 2011 09:28 GMT
#354
hope this goes live in the morning for US
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
September 20 2011 09:29 GMT
#355
Did anyone else have an issue where when you open SC2 and it fucks up your sound settings?
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
September 20 2011 09:30 GMT
#356
Looks like really great patch except neural parasite change is an overkill for sure.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
September 20 2011 09:41 GMT
#357
On September 20 2011 18:29 schmutttt wrote:
Did anyone else have an issue where when you open SC2 and it fucks up your sound settings?


yes, my sound is really weird and distracting
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 09:49:03
September 20 2011 09:45 GMT
#358
--- Nuked ---
GzStrom
Profile Joined January 2011
South Africa51 Posts
September 20 2011 09:49 GMT
#359
NOOOOO, I loved playing TvT with bfh :<, rine/tank/viking was just so boring.
6pool.. ON 8!
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
September 20 2011 10:02 GMT
#360
On September 20 2011 08:30 Pokebunny wrote:
YES
YES
YES
YES

YES!!!!!!!!!

Hellion
Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5.


at long last.. TvT has been saved!!!


I know! I've been holding off TvT practice until this patch went through.
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