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what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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On September 20 2011 06:21 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:17 ZestyPickle wrote:On September 20 2011 06:15 Bellygareth wrote:On September 20 2011 06:11 grobo wrote:On September 20 2011 05:52 Bellygareth wrote: To make things clear for everyone: even if Stephano had signed a real contract binding under french law, he would still be able to break it fairly easily considering: - it's customary to have a "trial period" in contracts - the contract signed by stephano would probably have been a "short term contract" or duration limited contract - Stephano had not even started to work for Col yet.
Even outside the trial period, the employee can break a "short term contract" or duration limited contract, if he can argue that he has a long term duration contract available (CDI). In that case he can be forced to work a minimum duration for the previous employer (for a maximum of 2 weeks and the actual time would be lower because he didn't work for Col at all).
So Stephano was free to change it under french law in my opinion. Disclaimer: it's not a lawyer opinion so take it with a grain of salt, but I know how it works. Under french law, Col won't have any chance I would bet.
So basically signing a contract with a french person is like gambling? No.You just have to provide them job safety (ie : CDI as millenium did). lololololol it doesnt matter what french law says, US law on a contract signed under the knowledge of joining a US organization. I know you're just trolling or probably never worked one day of your life nor know what a contract is. But I will still answer for the third time : I'm just presenting the side of what I know is true in France. I don't know international matters. I was answering a specific question and you're randomly attacking even though I'm not taking any side whatsoever. For international laws between US and Fr I don't know jack shit. I REPEAT : JACK SHIT. Now please stop arguing with nonissues.
I apologize <3
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On September 20 2011 06:21 Kaedeleus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:18 DertoQq wrote:On September 20 2011 06:09 Kaedeleus wrote:On September 20 2011 06:04 DertoQq wrote:On September 20 2011 06:03 Kaedeleus wrote: I think Stephano is better in France in Millenium than an American team at the other end of the world. Of course, but it's just my opinion. Why ? He could play with better players, he could play in bigger tournaments. Millenium is keeping him from big things I think. You think the players are the best in CoL?  Being in an American team like Col means you're going to play at MLG, NASL, maybe GSL etc.. Being in a French team means you're going to play on stupid unknown french LANs. You're smart, I think you can see what is the best choice. But Millennium sends Stephano to MLG Orlando, IPL 3, probably in Korea. And do not speak french on lan when you do not know
IPL 3 is sending Stephano to the event though, he got the free trip from qualifying.
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On September 20 2011 06:18 Kaedeleus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:17 ZestyPickle wrote:On September 20 2011 06:15 Bellygareth wrote:On September 20 2011 06:11 grobo wrote:On September 20 2011 05:52 Bellygareth wrote: To make things clear for everyone: even if Stephano had signed a real contract binding under french law, he would still be able to break it fairly easily considering: - it's customary to have a "trial period" in contracts - the contract signed by stephano would probably have been a "short term contract" or duration limited contract - Stephano had not even started to work for Col yet.
Even outside the trial period, the employee can break a "short term contract" or duration limited contract, if he can argue that he has a long term duration contract available (CDI). In that case he can be forced to work a minimum duration for the previous employer (for a maximum of 2 weeks and the actual time would be lower because he didn't work for Col at all).
So Stephano was free to change it under french law in my opinion. Disclaimer: it's not a lawyer opinion so take it with a grain of salt, but I know how it works. Under french law, Col won't have any chance I would bet.
So basically signing a contract with a french person is like gambling? No.You just have to provide them job safety (ie : CDI as millenium did). Stephano is french so the French law applies. That's all endpoint lololololol it doesnt matter what french law says, US law on a contract signed under the knowledge of joining a US organization.
Can we get an ip on some of these new french guys with 1-7 posts. I have a really hard time believing they are different people.
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On September 20 2011 06:19 Snorkle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:12 Tamotab wrote:On September 20 2011 06:05 Snorkle wrote:On September 20 2011 06:03 Kaedeleus wrote: I think Stephano is better in France in Millenium than an American team at the other end of the world. Of course, but it's just my opinion. lol @ another 1 post frenchy coming out of the woodwork to espouse how great staying with a team for less pay, worse practice, and no opportunity to attend lans or stay in a korean pro gaming house is beneficial for the player. worse practice ? yeah sure look at all the fantastic results NA players have in tourneys... You are generalizing NA players now as complexity? Does that mean I get to bring Idra HuK Seth etc. in to this argument? In reality world though col. has this cool deal with mvp where they can use their korean practice house and practice with their players.. which includes DRG Also Slush is on col who does quite well for himself at tournaments. albeit quietly.
I was just saying that europe is not a worse practice area than NA
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On September 20 2011 06:21 Kaedeleus wrote: But Millennium sends Stephano to MLG Orlando, IPL 3, probably in Korea. And do not speak french on lan when you do not know
Stop saying nonsense, both Stephano and Millenium already stated that he wasn't going to Korea, and there's nothing that could make us think that Stephano is going to MLG Orlando.
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On September 20 2011 06:09 ArnaudF wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:07 BrodiaQ wrote:On September 20 2011 05:51 ArnaudF wrote: Come on coL you tried to screw Millenium and got screwed back and any law pursuit in France will fail. Get over it and stop saying that this isn't over or that the whole esport scene will be behind you and it'll be felt world-wide.
Deal with it. Except it seems the whole esports community is on their side, besides French people it seems. The WHOLE esports community, really? Yes that's true, I've seen reactions of each big names of SC2 stating that they are with coL. 60 pages of TeamLiquid isn't the whole esports community.
-_- Just using the language you used. And 60 pages is a pretty good gauge of the tl community and I would say that the overwhelming majority agrees that Millenium is in the wrong, whether they are legally or not I think everyone can agree they are ethically.
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On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote: what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot
now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind"
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On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote: what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
And then the next time Complexity (or any team) wants to sign a player they have to take into account that their contract is worth approximately shit because the player can just ignore it?
Fabulous solution.
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Its just like kids in the "sandbox" or maybe resemblance to child school when people win a pokemon card over you. You go cry to the teacher and gets it back, No, esports still has far to go. I totally agree. I wrote the exact same sentence 2-3 weeks ago on the M† site about all these weekly players movements between teams again and again. Soccer player can only chnage teams on certains periods, when will we get this in esports ?
Seems to me that most of the players are kids, and in this case, Stephano is the one who made all the mistakes. However, he's a great player and will be a top world for sure, but still, he's just a kid.
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On September 20 2011 06:22 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:21 Kaedeleus wrote:On September 20 2011 06:18 DertoQq wrote:On September 20 2011 06:09 Kaedeleus wrote:On September 20 2011 06:04 DertoQq wrote:On September 20 2011 06:03 Kaedeleus wrote: I think Stephano is better in France in Millenium than an American team at the other end of the world. Of course, but it's just my opinion. Why ? He could play with better players, he could play in bigger tournaments. Millenium is keeping him from big things I think. You think the players are the best in CoL?  Being in an American team like Col means you're going to play at MLG, NASL, maybe GSL etc.. Being in a French team means you're going to play on stupid unknown french LANs. You're smart, I think you can see what is the best choice. But Millennium sends Stephano to MLG Orlando, IPL 3, probably in Korea. And do not speak french on lan when you do not know IPL 3 is sending Stephano to the event though, he got the free trip from qualifying.
Yeah but depending on how the legal action progresses, Stephano may never set foot in the US unless he wants to answer to US law
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On September 20 2011 06:19 Thurken wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:11 grobo wrote:
So basically signing a contract with a french person is like gambling? No, basically that means that making a 18-year old sign a contract at 3a.m without noticing his team is something that can have fallouts...
All of that is irrelevant, a signed contract is still a signed contract.
Do you honestly think "Uhhh, i was tired when i signed the contract, so i'll just break it now" would hold up in court?
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On September 20 2011 06:19 Thurken wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:11 grobo wrote:
So basically signing a contract with a french person is like gambling? No, basically that means that making a 18-year old sign a contract at 3a.m without noticing his team is something that can have fallouts... Hahahahah
You can't possibly be that stupid?
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I can understand why some frenchmen are getting defensive about this. A lot of people are saying somewhat prejudiced/ignorant things about France and its legal system as a whole, which is silly. I got a little defensive and pissed when a bunch of other europeans and americans were calling Norway's penal system retarded back around the Utøya tragedy
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That'll be the downside of esports, you'll have to make contracts with kids x]
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On September 20 2011 06:19 sixfour wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:17 Kaedeleus wrote:On September 20 2011 06:12 sixfour wrote:On September 20 2011 06:09 Kaedeleus wrote:On September 20 2011 06:04 DertoQq wrote:On September 20 2011 06:03 Kaedeleus wrote: I think Stephano is better in France in Millenium than an American team at the other end of the world. Of course, but it's just my opinion. Why ? He could play with better players, he could play in bigger tournaments. Millenium is keeping him from big things I think. You think the players are the best CoL?  well, i would think if he was flown to korea to play genius, dongraegu, keen, noblesse etc, he'd be playing people slightly better than tarson and adelscott I was speaking of the U.S. team, the Koreans are above all and Millennium can also have a partnership with a Korean team well come back to us when they've actually done it
CoL may be an agreement with a Korean team but the players do not have the level to go there, basically they just buy Korean players
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On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote: what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Exactly if Stephano don't want to be on Complexity why can't they just 'Drop it'
If Stephano is happy with Millenium Leave him Alone. Stephano is probably upset right now because of possibility of Complexity trying to take Legal action.
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On September 20 2011 06:19 Thurken wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:11 grobo wrote:
So basically signing a contract with a french person is like gambling? No, basically that means that making a 18-year old sign a contract at 3a.m without noticing his team is something that can have fallouts...
Negotiations have been going for weeks involving all parties, and the contract was made late night french time, the post was made at 3 AM. There's a thing called timezones to consider.
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