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Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103)

Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
September 19 2011 21:27 GMT
#1461
millennium had an image?
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
ZestyPickle
Profile Joined July 2011
United States104 Posts
September 19 2011 21:27 GMT
#1462
On September 20 2011 06:26 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 06:24 ZestyPickle wrote:

Yeah but depending on how the legal action progresses, Stephano may never set foot in the US unless he wants to answer to US law


this is a contract dispute, he's not killed anybody


$$$$$

User was warned for this post
BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
September 19 2011 21:27 GMT
#1463
On September 20 2011 06:11 Marcus420 wrote:
jason lake seems to be a layer himself and looks for any attempt too sue someone.It'd be in good taste, if stephano wants too stay with millenium, too just let him stay and don't FORCE him on your team with legal bullshit.

:/

999 :D



As was previously said any action would be taken against Millenium and not Stephano.
Also if he was so quick to sue someone he would have sued Destiny when he straight broke the contract he had with Col. Clearly he didn't.
"So come right up and let me squash your creativity with my iron fist of conservative play."--Nony
gulbanana
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia56 Posts
September 19 2011 21:27 GMT
#1464
On September 20 2011 06:23 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:

Stephano signs contract with col

Stephano change his mind

coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it

Stephano and mil look like idiots

case closed


All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


And then the next time Complexity (or any team) wants to sign a player they have to take into account that their contract is worth approximately shit because the player can just ignore it?

Fabulous solution.

they can only "ignore" a contract if it wasn't valid in the first place. which this one wasn't, nor even close. in a country where workers actually have rights - which is most places, just not the USA - contracts that do not uphold those rights are invalid.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1465
On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:

Stephano signs contract with col

Stephano change his mind

coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it

Stephano and mil look like idiots

case closed


All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


.....
I don't understand why people like this get involved in the conversation, if they are so willfully ignorant that they don't understand the purpose or intents of a -- any -- business.

You can't sign a contract, and then in less than a day after it's made public decline to follow through with your LEGAL obligations. It is illegal.

I'm genuinely not sure you're old enough to use a website like TL. It sounds like a very childish thing to imply that any and all contracts made should be okay to break. There would be no point to having a contract if you could just walk away from your agreement.
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Skeet11
Profile Joined October 2010
United States15 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1466
Man, I don't know who to call the bigger dick. Millenium for persuing Stephano after signing a contract with compLexity, or Stephano for actually turning his back from compLexity after signing the deal with them. And no statements from Mill or Stephano? Wtf.
Duder.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1467
On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:
On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:

Stephano signs contract with col

Stephano change his mind

coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it

Stephano and mil look like idiots

case closed


All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

you forgot

now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind"
do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from?

do you somehow genuinely think that people should just sign a _legal contract_ and be allowed to just say "fuck it I don't need to do it lolololol"
what century are you from?
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1468
On September 20 2011 06:25 gulbanana wrote:
it's a JOB. you are allowed to quit a job, if you want, because in 2011 most people aren't slaves. in france, you have the right to quit a job without notice within the probation period. even without that he could have just given notice, and been "on complexity" for 2 weeks! how would that have been substantially different?


You don't know the terms of the contract. Nobody but complexity and milenium do. Don't post ignorant shit like this. For all we know, Complexity contracted Stephano not as a salaried employee, but as a contractor who would attend certain events and carry the Complexity tag.
dwillow
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic88 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1469
Complexity, pls ... sue them, 'cause this just can't be happening!!! For the future...
"Cause there's one thing i know.....some things r just worth fightin' for!!!!"
cyanide66
Profile Joined September 2010
137 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1470
LOLOL how can you say he will be one of the highest paid players in the world when you don't know everyone else's salaries.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1471
On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:
On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:

Stephano signs contract with col

Stephano change his mind

coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it

Stephano and mil look like idiots

case closed


All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

you forgot

now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind"
do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from?


I live in the 21st century where contracts (should) mean something. So no, I don't think if you sign a contract saying you'll be with a company for x days/months/years/whatever, that you can quit said contract whenever you want. Not with out consequences at least.
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Ighox
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway580 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1472
On September 20 2011 06:18 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 06:15 Galaxy613 wrote:
Frankly, I doubt and want nothing to happen over this. He signed it, but it's just a few days old. From the sounds of it, no money or ANYTHING has been given to Stephano, and Stephano has done nothing for Complexity. If they have already sent Stephano a paycheck then yeah, then at the least Steph should return that.

But IMO Col. should just cut their losses and let him go.


Exactly what i'm thinking if Stepahno wants to stay on Millenium let him Stay.

Complexity is pursuing this ... etc Causing more Drama and Possible Shit Storm. I hope Complexity drops the possible lawsuit etc .... Let Stephano Choose.

I hope Complexity is pursuing this, what's the point of contracts if they are 100% meaningless?
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1473
tl;dr: Stephano decided to sign with Complexity and then Millenium guilt-tripped him.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1474
On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:
On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:

Stephano signs contract with col

Stephano change his mind

coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it

Stephano and mil look like idiots

case closed


All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

you forgot

now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind"
do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from?

You're allowed to quit but you're usually not allowed to join a competitor if you've signed a contract.
Carapas
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada242 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1475
On September 20 2011 06:27 ZestyPickle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 06:26 sixfour wrote:
On September 20 2011 06:24 ZestyPickle wrote:

Yeah but depending on how the legal action progresses, Stephano may never set foot in the US unless he wants to answer to US law


this is a contract dispute, he's not killed anybody


$$$$$

This is no a criminal case, this is civil, thus he can certainly come to NA anytime...
RnTM
Profile Joined September 2011
United States8 Posts
September 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#1476
On September 20 2011 06:25 gulbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 06:22 RnTM wrote:
On September 20 2011 06:16 XRaDiiX wrote:
You guys just don't get it already been said that CoL's Contract with Stephano Means Diddy Squat in France.

- He has a 1 month time frame to breach/void the contract before its permanent
- The Contract was apparently not Valid/Legal
-Stephano actually chooses to stay on Millenium (Personal Choice)
-Complexity is exacerbating worsening the situation by trying to sue Millenium/Stephano.


CoL has too much Pride and still trying to Pursue action (Which is a bad idea and will cause a Shit Storm)

CoL(Complexity) Trying to pursue a lawsuit in France over this i don't see it happening and/or working especially with what we have learned so far.

I still think Complexity deceived dis-oriented Stephano into signing something he didn't agree to. Not to mention the Contract wasn't a real Contract purportedly.



col has the choice of what law to use for their contract, they chose US law. In fact there is a international contract law protecting complexities rights and decision. From everything we know so far, the only conclusion, though im not saying we should make one yet, is that Col is in the right here.

nonsense. citizens of nations have rights granted by their societies. france's government guarantees its workers protections, such as the regulation of contracts of employment; so do the governments of every other nation. you can't employ an american in america without paying them minimum wage, even if you're a french company. you can't employ a french person who's in france - whether or not you are french - without providing a valid contract, probation clauses, and so on.


look for choice of law provision.

http://www.veron.com/publications/Colloques/Employees_inventions.pdf
i guess i should put something witty here
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
September 19 2011 21:29 GMT
#1477
On September 20 2011 06:28 cyanide66 wrote:
LOLOL how can you say he will be one of the highest paid players in the world when you don't know everyone else's salaries.

Don't worry, coL know the NSA ... True Story.
ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
September 19 2011 21:29 GMT
#1478
It seems like Millenium was frustrated with losing their best player, got all French nationalist, and took him back. I hope Complexity pursues legal action immediately.
It's better aerodynamics for space. - Artosis
Avs
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (North)857 Posts
September 19 2011 21:29 GMT
#1479
Once again national pride somehow rises up and becomes more of an issue than the facts at stake. How sad guys. Legal systems blah, Stephano signed something he shouldn't have considering he decided NOT to honor it regardless of these "laws" (like they actually should be influencing Stephano's signing of that contract). And now Mill and Stephano are refusing to talk to CoL? Sound's like Stephano is being manipulated either by one or both sides, and is an idiot for causing this situation without trying to get everyone to talk it through. Drama ensues. The only reason why this is super big is because Stephano has been doing well, and any team would want to pick him up. Let's be honest, its not national pride at stake here, unless Mill decides to make it one by mentioning "french esports" more.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 19 2011 21:29 GMT
#1480
Stephano is very young, maybe he just doesn't understand how contracts work and what he signed was legally binding?

I mean he's just a kid that plays starcraft
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