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Stephano contract situation - Page 70
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ThatGuyDoMo
Australia516 Posts
see how this turns out, wonder how much he would have been paid at coL | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:09 Kaedeleus wrote: You think the players are the best in CoL?  Being in an American team like Col means you're going to play at MLG, NASL, maybe GSL etc.. Being in a French team means you're going to play on stupid unknown french LANs. You're smart, I think you can see what is the best choice. | ||
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ZestyPickle
United States104 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:16 XRaDiiX wrote: You guys just don't get it already been said that CoL's Contract with Stephano Means Diddy Squat in France. - He has a 1 month time frame to breach/void the contract before its permanent - The Contract was apparently not Valid/Legal -Stephano actually chooses to stay on Millenium (Personal Choice) -Complexity is exacerbating worsening the situation by trying to sue Millenium/Stephano. CoL has too much Pride and still trying to Pursue action (Which is a bad idea and will cause a Shit Storm) CoL(Complexity) Trying to pursue a lawsuit in France over this i don't see it happening and/or working especially with what we have learned so far. I still think Complexity deceived dis-oriented Stephano into signing something he didn't agree to. Not to mention the Contract wasn't a real Contract purportedly. And you still are incapable of understanding that US law matters too. Go away im tired of reading your horrible legal conclusions. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:15 Galaxy613 wrote: Frankly, I doubt and want nothing to happen over this. He signed it, but it's just a few days old. From the sounds of it, no money or ANYTHING has been given to Stephano, and Stephano has done nothing for Complexity. If they have already sent Stephano a paycheck then yeah, then at the least Steph should return that. But IMO Col. should just cut their losses and let him go. Exactly what i'm thinking if Stepahno wants to stay on Millenium let him Stay. Complexity is pursuing this ... etc Causing more Drama and Possible Shit Storm. I hope Complexity drops the possible lawsuit etc .... Let Stephano Choose. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:01 FaRess wrote: What you are not understanding merz is, that if you want to be serious about acontract, make a valid one in the first place, I would completely agree with you if the contrac that coL did was well written, if it was the case they could sue Millenium, and do whatever they want to do, but don't talk about importance of contract if the contract is ridiculous in the first place youre talking rather 'matter of fact' about the contract not being legitimate, while to my knowledge nobody knows the contract details yet. What merz said is absolutely true given what we do know, that a contract was signed. If we find out the contract was bogus so be it but I think you're being a little presumptuous. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:18 DertoQq wrote: Being in an American team like Col means you're going to play at MLG, NASL, maybe GSL etc.. Being in a France team means you're going to play on stupid unknown french LANs. You're smart, I think you can see what is the best choice. "the french scene" !!!! wait wat | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:12 Paladia wrote: As one soon learns, taking legal action is always the absolute last step and should be avoided at all cost. Even if they think it is a good idea now, in two years when this would finally go to court Stephano may not even play the game anymore and they themselves don't really care about it. This is without even considering the money, time and effort it would require during this period. As noted, they may not even have a steady ground to stand on in terms of the legal basis of their claim. It would be interesting to take a look at the contract but even if it was rock solid I wouldn't recommend anyone sueing someone internationally. Even national law suits should be avoided at (almost) all cost. First off, I'm pretty sure you know you don't have to tell me things like these. Secondly, this is beside the point. It's a ballsy move if coL were to follow through and yes it might lead to sick complications but it's still a move that someone eventually has to do if you want to keep validity of contracts within e-sports. If this is looked over again, and again, and again, contracts will hold absolutely no value in the end. | ||
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Kaedeleus
France20 Posts
lololololol it doesnt matter what french law says, US law on a contract signed under the knowledge of joining a US organization.[/QUOTE] Stephano is french so the French law applies. That's all endpoint | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:15 karpo wrote: People seem to think that everyone has the goal to live in korea and train there. I just googled a bit and it seems like Mill had plans on starting a team house in france for their players. Maybe, just maybe that's more interesting to Stephano? We don't know and speculating and focusing on the korean aspect might be null and void if Stephano has no real interest in moving, right? In that case he has a really odd way of showing his desire to stay in France, with him signing with coL and all. | ||
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:16 XRaDiiX wrote: You guys just don't get it already been said that CoL's Contract with Stephano Means Diddy Squat in France. - He has a 1 month time frame to breach/void the contract before its permanent - The Contract was apparently not Valid/Legal -Stephano actually chooses to stay on Millenium (Personal Choice) -Complexity is exacerbating worsening the situation by trying to sue Millenium/Stephano. CoL has too much Pride and still trying to Pursue action (Which is a bad idea and will cause a Shit Storm) CoL(Complexity) Trying to pursue a lawsuit in France over this i don't see it happening and/or working especially with what we have learned so far. I still think Complexity deceived dis-oriented Stephano into signing something he didn't agree to. Not to mention the Contract wasn't a real Contract purportedly. read this: Everyone is assuming French law is on Millennium's side (and it may be) but don't jump to conclusions. This was a contractor contract, NOT an employment contract. The jurisdiction was Texas, USA and France has treaties that cover such international contracts. We are still investigating this, but people should not write off our situation just yet. In addition, many spectators have doubted our willingness to follow through with legal proceedings (as I'm sure Millenium does). They need to study history more closely http://www.gotfrag.com/css/story/37209/ Again, no decisions have been made but I don't think certain people involved with this situation are taking it seriously enough. If their was a jurisdiction set for the contract it really shouldnt matter what french laws are if he signed to and agreed to it under texas jurisdiction, also it is not an employment contract and the 30 days to get out of a contract is for employment contracts. | ||
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Lunas
253 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:16 XRaDiiX wrote: You guys just don't get it already been said that CoL's Contract with Stephano Means Diddy Squat in France. - He has a 1 month time frame to breach/void the contract before its permanent - The Contract was apparently not Valid/Legal -Stephano actually chooses to stay on Millenium (Personal Choice) -Complexity is exacerbating worsening the situation by trying to sue Millenium/Stephano. CoL has too much Pride and still trying to Pursue action (Which is a bad idea and will cause a Shit Storm) CoL(Complexity) Trying to pursue a lawsuit in France over this i don't see it happening and/or working especially with what we have learned so far. I still think Complexity deceived dis-oriented Stephano into signing something he didn't agree to. Not to mention the Contract wasn't a real Contract purportedly. I dont belive that I actually belive that Stephano would have loved to goto Complexity but Millinium pressured him into not abiding the contract | ||
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Thurokiir
United States779 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:34 Naniwa wrote: funny that people even discuss whether its right or wrong by stephano, he broke the contract to get more money from millenium. its that simple ; ) Naniwa, why so truthy? | ||
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hRob
Ireland34 Posts
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:12 Tamotab wrote: worse practice ? yeah sure look at all the fantastic results NA players have in tourneys... You are generalizing NA players now as complexity? Does that mean I get to bring Idra HuK Seth etc. in to this argument? In reality world though col. has this cool deal with mvp where they can use their korean practice house and practice with their players.. which includes DRG Also Slush is on col who does quite well for himself at tournaments. albeit quietly. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:17 Chargelot wrote: The contract doesn't have to mean anything in France, it could be worth literally nothing, the jurisdiction of the contract was in the USA, which means he is bound by American law. His working place would be in France thats what makes it so complicated and not just a matter of "bound by American Law" | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:17 Kaedeleus wrote: I was speaking of the U.S. team, the Koreans are above all and Millennium can also have a partnership with a Korean team well come back to us when they've actually done it | ||
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
do americans think contracts are magic? the way some of you talk about "legally binding" and a "word of honour" sounds quasi-religious. under EU law, complexity's offer is considered an offer of employment; it doesn't adhere to the standards for such a thing. it's as simple as that. stephano made a mistake while tired, woke up and paniced, then realised he wasn't legally committed. dumb of him, but it's not a major issue. hardly anyone seems to realise that someone might be good at starcraft yet not WANT to fly all around the world and pursue a career in it. he's got a medical education ongoing and a fun hobby which makes him some money. if complexity can't pressure him into accepting a position on their team, then they should suck it up and not make themselves sound like legal idiots. | ||
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DurandaL917
United States92 Posts
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