EPTBut IMO Col. should just cut their losses and let him go.
Stephano contract situation - Page 69
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Galaxy613
United States148 Posts
But IMO Col. should just cut their losses and let him go. | ||
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Brad Lah
Australia19 Posts
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:13 meRz wrote: Again what relevance does this have to whether or not the contract is legally binding in the US? Just like Jason says in his announcement, French and hell, even EU Law, might give stephano and Millenium right, IN FRANCE. But does the same apply to the US? You're simplifying things. Even if the contract is legally binding in the US (which it probably is) there's still a fuckton of things to work your way through (unless there's guidlines worked out between france - US) to make this work, but you are focusing on the wrong things. France Law doesn't have to give coL right in this in order for them to succeed. Agreed, people should read a comment made by complexity below their statement. Everyone is assuming French law is on Millennium's side (and it may be) but don't jump to conclusions. This was a contractor contract, NOT an employment contract. The jurisdiction was Texas, USA and France has treaties that cover such international contracts. We are still investigating this, but people should not write off our situation just yet. In addition, many spectators have doubted our willingness to follow through with legal proceedings (as I'm sure Millenium does). They need to study history more closely http://www.gotfrag.com/css/story/37209/ Again, no decisions have been made but I don't think certain people involved with this situation are taking it seriously enough. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
- He has a 1 month time frame to breach/void the contract before its permanent - The Contract was apparently not Valid/Legal -Stephano actually chooses to stay on Millenium (Personal Choice) -Complexity is exacerbating worsening the situation by trying to sue Millenium/Stephano. CoL has too much Pride and still trying to Pursue action (Which is a bad idea and will cause a Shit Storm) CoL(Complexity) Trying to pursue a lawsuit in France over this i don't see it happening and/or working especially with what we have learned so far. I still think Complexity deceived dis-oriented Stephano into signing something he didn't agree to. Not to mention the Contract wasn't a real Contract purportedly. | ||
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AzurewinD
United States569 Posts
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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parabs
Canada68 Posts
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:12 Tamotab wrote: worse practice ? yeah sure look at all the fantastic results NA players have in tourneys... Who was it who won HSC3 and Dreamhack Summer? Hmmm.... | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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Koorb
France266 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:13 wats0n wrote: The saddest part is that Millenium's response in the OP is even being taken serious by some. The parts where they are trying to invoke nationalist furor and straw man arguments contentions about how coL is insulting France and French people are so ludicrous that they don't deserve to be taken serious and should erode any support for their side. ... Millenium's response comes from Cédric "Cedrix" Page, boss of Millenium, who posted it in a news hosted on the main page of millenium.org. | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:11 Marcus420 wrote: jason lake seems to be a layer himself and looks for any attempt too sue someone.It'd be in good taste, if stephano wants too stay with millenium, too just let him stay and don't FORCE him on your team with legal bullshit. :/ 999 :D They wouldn't be suing to retain Stephano. That ship has sailed. They would be suing to uphold the integrity of contract law in e-sports. For the professional people who actually are trying to make a career in e-sports I hope to god they sue Millenium. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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ZestyPickle
United States104 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:15 Bellygareth wrote: No.You just have to provide them job safety (ie : CDI as millenium did). lololololol it doesnt matter what french law says, US law on a contract signed under the knowledge of joining a US organization. | ||
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ArnaudF
France993 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:16 XRaDiiX wrote: You guys just don't get it already been said that CoL's Contract with Stephano Means Diddy Squat in France. - He has a 1 month time frame to breach/void the contract before its permanent - The Contract was apparently not Valid/Legal -Stephano actually chooses to stay on Millenium (Personal Choice) -Complexity is exacerbating worsening the situation by trying to sue Millenium/Stephano. CoL has too much Pride and still trying to Pursue action (Which is a bad idea and will cause a Shit Storm) CoL(Complexity) Trying to pursue a lawsuit in France over this i don't see it happening and/or working especially with what we have learned so far. I still think Complexity deceived dis-oriented Stephano into signing something he didn't agree to. Not to mention the Contract wasn't a real Contract purportedly. +1. User was warned for this post | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:15 ellirc wrote: That's not what Col is after at all. They just want to make sure that esports doesn't fall apart due to contracts broken all over the place. pretty much this if esports contracts can be broken by "Oh I don't feel like...." or "oh in X country it doesn't matter", etc, then it just.... messes everything up. | ||
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Kaedeleus
France20 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:12 sixfour wrote: well, i would think if he was flown to korea to play genius, dongraegu, keen, noblesse etc, he'd be playing people slightly better than tarson and adelscott I was speaking of the U.S. team, the Koreans are above all and Millennium can also have a partnership with a Korean team | ||
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Sandro
897 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:14 ArnaudF wrote: And they should be forbidden of going out of France too, and we should cut their heads and feed them to Jason. With the way the French scene is, he won't be leaving regardless. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:16 XRaDiiX wrote: You guys just don't get it already been said that CoL's Contract with Stephano Means Diddy Squat in France. - He has a 1 month time frame to breach/void the contract before its permanent - The Contract was apparently not Valid/Legal -Stephano actually chooses to stay on Millenium (Personal Choice) -Complexity is exacerbating worsening the situation by trying to sue Millenium/Stephano. CoL has too much Pride and still trying to Pursue action (Which is a bad idea and will cause a Shit Storm) CoL(Complexity) Trying to pursue a lawsuit in France over this i don't see it happening and/or working especially with what we have learned so far. I still think Complexity deceived dis-oriented Stephano into signing something he didn't agree to. Not to mention the Contract wasn't a real Contract purportedly. The contract doesn't have to mean anything in France, it could be worth literally nothing, the jurisdiction of the contract was in the USA, which means he is bound by American law. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:11 Marcus420 wrote: jason lake seems to be a layer himself and looks for any attempt too sue someone.It'd be in good taste, if stephano wants too stay with millenium, too just let him stay and don't FORCE him on your team with legal bullshit. :/ 999 :D The thing is, they - and the whole scene - can't afford to be very lenient here. SC2 is growing, which means many talents have yet to emerge and rise to the top. Many of those will be teens when discovered or young adults at best, and they'll be spread across the globe and not concentrated in a single country. All teams will have to deal with international contract issues and with players too young to have any real experience in life and legal matters in the future, much more so than in Broodwar. Complexity can either make a stand here to set an example for how business should be done, or they can ignore "legal bullshit" and "be in good taste" like you'd like it - which would just be a signal to players and teams alike that anything goes and professional handling of contracts can be ignored without consequences. | ||
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