EPTStephano contract situation - Page 67
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Fatze
Germany1342 Posts
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Sandro
897 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:05 Snorkle wrote: lol @ another 1 post frenchy coming out of the woodwork to espouse how great staying with a team for less pay, worse practice, and no opportunity to attend lans or stay in a korean pro gaming house is beneficial for the player. I'm glad I am not the only one noticing this. They must be coming from the Millennium website. | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:52 Bellygareth wrote: To make things clear for everyone: even if Stephano had signed a real contract binding under french law, he would still be able to break it fairly easily considering: - it's customary to have a "trial period" in contracts - the contract signed by stephano would probably have been a "short term contract" or duration limited contract - Stephano had not even started to work for Col yet. Even outside the trial period, the employee can break a "short term contract" or duration limited contract, if he can argue that he has a long term duration contract available (CDI). In that case he can be forced to work a minimum duration for the previous employer (for a maximum of 2 weeks and the actual time would be lower because he didn't work for Col at all). So Stephano was free to change it under french law in my opinion. Disclaimer: it's not a lawyer opinion so take it with a grain of salt, but I know how it works. Under french law, Col won't have any chance I would bet. So basically signing a contract with a french person is like gambling? | ||
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JackDanger
United States37 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:09 Kaedeleus wrote: You think the players are the best in CoL?  Yeah I'd totally take Tarson over DongRaeGu what am I thinking | ||
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P0ckets
United States430 Posts
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darlhet
Italy548 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:09 Kaedeleus wrote: You think the players are the best CoL? the players in MVP are kinda fine actually.... im ok with stephano staying in mill just i wish mill would support Stephano the same way col would, if this happens its all good, dont want to see a top tier player held back because he decided to stay on his starting team | ||
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
What you are not understanding merz is, that if you want to be serious about acontract, make a valid one in the first place, I would completely agree with you if the contrac that coL did was well written, if it was the case they could sue Millenium, and do whatever they want to do, but don't talk about importance of contract if the contract is ridiculous in the first place So youve read the contract and you know first hand that it was poorly written? No your just speculating. The manager of Mill admitted his english was terrible and the goes to say it was poorly written, even if it was translated for him some things could have been lost in translation and considering Col is an U.S. team im fairly sure the contract is in english. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:09 Kaedeleus wrote: You think the players are the best in CoL? Maybe they aren't, but players in coL.MVP certainly are. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:09 FaRess wrote: They clearly stated that the contract is missing things like the trial period (even if the trial period is 0 days) which is mandatory in EUROPE (CEE document 1991), but that's true that millenium could be lying about that but I doubt it CoL claims the contract jurisdiction is Texas, USA and that it's not a normal employment contract. Therefore normal France law may not apply. We really need to wait until more information comes out before leveling judgement. Without knowing more details about the contract all we can say is our opinion on Stephano reneging the deal, regardless of the wording of the contract. | ||
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mechavoc
United States664 Posts
E-Sports can not be "real" and sustainable without contracts. Millenium is playing dirty and if anyone is pressuring and applying undue influence it is them. They convinced a young player to give up significant money/exposure/training for what reason ?? | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
If they don't do this, after failing to do this for ToD, they will lose all credibility in the SC 2 community. | ||
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Tamotab
France38 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:05 Snorkle wrote: lol @ another 1 post frenchy coming out of the woodwork to espouse how great staying with a team for less pay, worse practice, and no opportunity to attend lans or stay in a korean pro gaming house is beneficial for the player. worse practice ? yeah sure look at all the fantastic results NA players have in tourneys... | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:09 Kaedeleus wrote: You think the players are the best CoL? well, i would think if he was flown to korea to play genius, dongraegu, keen, noblesse etc, he'd be playing people slightly better than tarson and adelscott | ||
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Paladia
802 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:58 meRz wrote: It's not whether or not taking legal action would actually be beneficial in an econonmic manner. It's more like SOMEONE has to do it eventually because otherwise contracts will hold no importance If coL can take legal action without sinking themselves then I'd say go for it. As one soon learns, taking legal action is always the absolute last step and should be avoided at all cost. Even if they think it is a good idea now, in two years when this would finally go to court Stephano may not even play the game anymore and they themselves don't really care about it. This is without even considering the money, time and effort it would require during this period. As noted, they may not even have a steady ground to stand on in terms of the legal basis of their claim. It would be interesting to take a look at the contract but even if it was rock solid I wouldn't recommend anyone sueing someone internationally. Even national law suits should be avoided at (almost) all cost. | ||
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exShikari
Australia237 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:08 ZestyPickle wrote: Ya cause all doctors go to law school as well, the argument isnt whether he signed, but the legality of the contract I'm pretty sure complexity wouldn't have made a retarded contract. They have lawyers that handle such matters. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
mmm honestly i think that col did offer a lot. their team could use revitalizing and Complexity is a fairly big organization. I'd think that stephano was a little bit confused at having to make such important decisions at such a young age. | ||
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unsaintly
Germany687 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:09 Kaedeleus wrote: You think the players are the best in CoL? Playing in korea with coL.MVP is better then staying in europe. Nevertheless I think coL has a right to be pissed especially after Mill said they "had a long discussion" with Stephano regarding this issue, seems like they talked him out of the coL deal. I lost a lot of respect for Mill. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
I hope the major teams support coL in taking legal action against Mill and I would love to see some tournaments deny Mill players from playing in them to help send a message that this shit won't stand. We need a governing body for sc2, or else shit like this will keep happening. | ||
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