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On September 20 2011 05:33 Gwal wrote:
in fact, Llewellys thinks it isn't even worth replying to coL
in short, that is Millenium pov:
- coL makes a sneaky move contacting Stephano and making him sign a contract at night without contacting with them
- Mill people gets up and gets aware of the situation, talking to Stephano and convincing him to change back is decision. without any raise.
- coL is angry, and pull out the contract argument.
- Mill : "well, good luck with that piece of paper that is not even a real labor contract".
Llewellys also states that he is open to discussion, he just regrets that coL didn't went to speak to him yesterday...
coL should be ashamed, and shouldn't play the victims ...
If they had done this properly in the first place, none of this will have happened.
And now because of them "thinking it's not even worth replying" they now have bad press.
Good trade? o.O
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On September 20 2011 05:33 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:32 f0rzaa wrote:
the french have laws to protect and allow them to pull this shit? LOL The US allows people to sign illegal contracts and have them be legal? LOL
generic ignorant statement about sweden's law system? LOL
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On September 20 2011 05:28 gulati wrote:
As a side note to wrap up this shit... Stephano, you just gave up the opportunity of a lifetime. You could have been competing in GSL, training with MVP, getting flown out to any venue you want, having corporate sponsors drowning you in money... and you stayed with Millennium because of a loophole in a contract, and because 5AM is late for an 18 year old who plays videogames.
...... I can't say anything else. eSports just got kicked in the balls.
i would say stephano kicked his SC2 career in the Balls, instead of getting better and take the game serious, he cloud now play the next years in front of the great french scene
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On September 20 2011 05:33 Gwal wrote:
in fact, Llewellys thinks it isn't even worth replying to coL
in short, that is Millenium pov:
- coL makes a sneaky move contacting Stephano and making him sign a contract at night without contacting with them
- Mill people gets up and gets aware of the situation, talking to Stephano and convincing him to change back is decision. without any raise.
- coL is angry, and pull out the contract argument.
- Mill : "well, good luck with that piece of paper that is not even a real labor contract".
Llewellys also states that he is open to discussion, he just regrets that coL didn't went to speak to him yesterday...
coL should be ashamed, and shouldn't play the victims ...
If they had done this properly in the first place, none of this will have happened.
The guy had 18 days of contract negotiations and counter offers by mill, there was no unaware of the situation or sneaky middle of the night contracts.
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On September 20 2011 05:33 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:32 f0rzaa wrote:
the french have laws to protect and allow them to pull this shit? LOL The US allows people to sign illegal contracts and have them be legal? LOL
Because you know his contract was illegal?
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Yea, this is new information. The fact that col didn't give him a real contract, and just put some "clear intentions on paper" is hugely important to the discussion.
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So let me get this straight:
1) Stephano gets opportunity of a lifetime. One of the biggest salaries, possibility of korean training and flying to international events to win even more money and gain experience.
2) Stephano stays on the same (I assume not great) salary and stays in french scene.
To me it seems like it was Mill management that pressured and manipulated Stephano into bad decission rather than coL.
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On September 20 2011 05:34 ZestyPickle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:33 Seronei wrote:On September 20 2011 05:32 f0rzaa wrote:
the french have laws to protect and allow them to pull this shit? LOL The US allows people to sign illegal contracts and have them be legal? LOL Because you know his contract was illegal?
col have said it wasn't a real contract a few pages back.
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On September 20 2011 05:33 Gwal wrote:
in fact, Llewellys thinks it isn't even worth replying to coL
in short, that is Millenium pov:
- coL makes a sneaky move contacting Stephano and making him sign a contract at night without contacting with them
- Mill people gets up and gets aware of the situation, talking to Stephano and convincing him to change back is decision. without any raise.
- coL is angry, and pull out the contract argument.
- Mill : "well, good luck with that piece of paper that is not even a real labor contract".
Llewellys also states that he is open to discussion, he just regrets that coL didn't went to speak to him yesterday...
coL should be ashamed, and shouldn't play the victims ...
If they had done this properly in the first place, none of this will have happened.
So he's open to discussion, while saying it's not even worth replying to coL. That makes sense.
PS: welcome to the forum.
/sarcasm
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On September 20 2011 05:31 Garnet wrote:
This sounds quite similar to the Puma situation. I just hope we don't lose a great talent in Stephano and he gets to play in more international tournaments.
Other than coL not talking to Mills coach first, there isnt much similarity. Puma wanted to goto EG this whole and his TSL team supported him (despite coach lees rant.) Doesnt seem like stephano is very committed or interested in coL afterall.
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This sucks for Stephano. He could have had awesome practice partners, a salary, and free trips around the world.
This was his chance to break out and become a star, and now he's being held back on Mill.
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I Sincerely hope that Stephano lose all his fans and that no team ever toutch him again. I also wish that people would stop blaming the fact that he is a "kid", he is over 18 and more than able to take responsibility for his actions
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On September 20 2011 05:32 Snorkle wrote:
Well with everything coming to light I can say pretty soundly that I am no longer a fan of stephano and have moved from being indifferent about mill to generally disliking them.
Stephano now has 0 chance of every moving to a team outside of france. ggnore
And i can say that i'll enjoy his play just as much as i did before. And i'll probably watch his stream more often as i found it in this thread. Indifferent on mill/complexity.
Also i'm pretty sure he'll get other offers in the future as he's still young and a team manager would be stupid to hold that to someone when there's sponsors and money to be made.
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On September 20 2011 05:28 Doodsmack wrote:
Love when rampant speculation gets thrown around in unmoderated threads about disputes such as this one before both sides of the story have been fleshed out. At this stage it's all he said she said. Don't you people ever learn?
It's the stuff drama is made of. Quite hillarious reading this useless thread full of assumptions baseless acusations from everyone (the involved parties included).
How about we all go about doing something useful for a while and come back here when something actually happens.
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If Stephano sides with Mill in the end that could have huge effects on his career. It might go down in legend as the greatest missed potential in the history of eSports (or at least SC2)
there's nothing sadder than seeing a sick, SICK foreign kid stay in his homecountry, doing really good in his scene but missing out on the *real* action in Korea.
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On September 20 2011 05:34 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:33 Seronei wrote:On September 20 2011 05:32 f0rzaa wrote:
the french have laws to protect and allow them to pull this shit? LOL The US allows people to sign illegal contracts and have them be legal? LOL generic ignorant statement about sweden's law system? LOL
My point being that if the contract he signed isn't legal. Why wouldn't he be able to terminate it. He was the one making an ignorant statement. I was answering it with a parody of his statement.
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On September 20 2011 05:33 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:30 sixfour wrote:On September 20 2011 05:28 Charger wrote:
1.6 million ESPORTS dollars to whoever can actually find and provide a reliable source for the 'Contracts don't mean anything for 30 days (1 week, 2 weeks, whatev) in France' clause/law. this sort of thing is pretty common in various EU legal systems, but mainly for consumer contracts as opposed to contracts for employment This isn't true, In france the "période d'essai" (Trial Period ??) is not mandatory so it's not always true
Source ?
edit: nvm found it 
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On September 20 2011 05:35 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:34 ZestyPickle wrote:On September 20 2011 05:33 Seronei wrote:On September 20 2011 05:32 f0rzaa wrote:
the french have laws to protect and allow them to pull this shit? LOL The US allows people to sign illegal contracts and have them be legal? LOL Because you know his contract was illegal? col have said it wasn't a real contract a few pages back.
Can we get a quote on that?
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