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Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
September 19 2011 20:28 GMT
#1041
one of the best gaming-house of the USA made him what seemed to be an offer he couldn't refuse.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


So that's what this is all about...
memes are a dish best served dank
Sweepstakes
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
September 19 2011 20:29 GMT
#1042
I hope Stephano goes to MLG Providence. Would love to see the reaction he garners from the fans.
That strategy was made of balls. - Tasteless
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
September 19 2011 20:29 GMT
#1043
On September 20 2011 05:20 DertoQq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:06 ravemir wrote:
Can anyone who understands fluent French listen to the stream and report what the guy is saying?

http://www.millenium.org/home/milleniumtv/?chaine=millenium_tv


I listened a bit :

basically, what's "important" :

"We will sign a contract with Stephano, we're going to do something serious and not going to do it at 5am and hurry and post on Team Liquid"

"Col contract means absolutely nothing"

"Yes Stephano signed a contract at 5am, Stephano show it to us the next-morning, we saw that it was nothing serious and the contract was full of mistakes, we explained this to Stephano and he agreed with us"

"His new contract with us isn't bigger than it use to be" (i'm not 100% about this one, he said in french, "son contract n'a pas été revu a la hausse")

+ he talk about Stephano wanting to "stay closer" to the french scene



(i keep quoting some of what he is saying)

"if you are afraid for mille, don't worry, we don't risk anything"

"Col are going to realize they legally have nothing against us"

"Why didn't Col came yesterday talk to us before signing the contract ?"
"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 20:31:12
September 19 2011 20:29 GMT
#1044
On September 20 2011 05:28 Cobbbler wrote:
Millenium accuses Complexity of "disorienting" Stephano, When Complexity says there was a long period of negotiation.

Millenium says: "After a long discussion, Stephano understood his mistake and decided to stay with Millenium for the next 12 months"

It sounds to me like the kid made his decision to go to Complexity, when Millenium didn't think he would, then Millenium persuaded him to come back.

If anyone is doing the disorienting, it sounds like it's Millenium.


My thoughts exactly. It sounds like they are taking advantage of his loyalty and friendship to Mill to guilt trip him/talk him into staying.
pezit
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden302 Posts
September 19 2011 20:29 GMT
#1045
Millenium antifan reporting in. Legalities aside it's a dick move by a dick organisation, congratulations on keeping your dick player.
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1046
Right now on the stream the manager is saying " to get him to sign a contract at 5am its not right"

then something about him being tired or confusing him.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1047
hope stephano goes with col

wanna see him all over the world bashing face
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1048
Ok lets think about this.

Complexity said that he would have been one of the highest paid SC2 players. This must have been tens of thousands of dollars.

Why would he even consider signing with Millenium? There must be some kind guilt trip that Millenium are running
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1049
On September 20 2011 05:28 Charger wrote:
1.6 million ESPORTS dollars to whoever can actually find and provide a reliable source for the 'Contracts don't mean anything for 30 days (1 week, 2 weeks, whatev) in France' clause/law.


this sort of thing is pretty common in various EU legal systems, but mainly for consumer contracts as opposed to contracts for employment
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1050
On September 20 2011 05:20 Zorgaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:18 Vadrigar wrote:
Today 9:30 CET, Stephano gets a visit from Millenium Manager (MM).

MM: Good morning, Steph! What did you do, my son? Why are you doing this to me? Is it because of money?
*throws 100 euro bills at his feet*
Eh?
*throws more euros*
There! We have more money than you can ever dream for! We're the most visited site on the frenchwebz (excluding TL france of course)! You're like a son to me! Remember when you were 17 I taught you how to larva inject! I love you, my boy! You can't leave me! We're French! French stick together! Why would you go to the Americans? French have honor, dignity... *French rant for 120 minutes*
So did they make you sign a paper or something? Show it to me!
Stephano: Here it is.
*MM calls his friend Pierre who studied a year of law, but dropped out. They speak for 5 minutes.*
MM: Pfff. That's bullshit, my boy! See here, it says "This contract is valid under the laws of the state of New York." LOL New York. We're French we can do whatever we want. Take the money and stay with France I tell you!
Stephano: OK.

P.S. really disappointed in Stephano right now...


Might not be too far off from the truth xd



There is more truth in this than any of the Mill press releases.
Callosum
Profile Joined April 2010
United States56 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1051
On September 20 2011 05:27 Strike_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:23 Drenz wrote:
coL contract is just a joke, nothing professionnal so it's quite funny to see people thinking they want to improve eSport

Have you seen the contract?
How do you know it's a joke?


He's merely being presumptuous, which is an unhelpful distraction until more of the facts are made public. In my experience, when dealing with a large business, you can usually assume they get their stuff done right.

I fully expect complexity to say the contract is valid while millennium will claim it's void. That's normal posturing. I hope complexity sues so we can find out who's correct.
ho hum
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1052
Live Report : Llewellys stated again that coL move ( at least making stephano sign the contract) came out of nowhere, and the fact that coL wants to talk now is a little bit silly, they could have talked to us before doing what they did at 5 am (CEST)
YoloStar <3
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1053
On September 20 2011 05:23 Peitachi wrote:
CoL official statement: http://scottford.visibli.com/share/enHGMk
"4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." "

So he apparently had been changing his mind atleast once, promising though that this was the last time, and is now saved by french law to do this kind of move.


This caught my eye as well. Along with the part about negotiations for 18 days, it seems Stephano has been on the fence about this decision for some time, and now he's gone back on his word after making it binding (even if not legally, ethically). Everything that comes out of Mill regarding this issue either makes no sense or reeks of bias, and I'm starting to lose a lot of respect for them.

Lots of people are telling coL to let this go, but I disagree. I think Mill should be the ones to man up and peaceably buy out Stephano's contract, because right now they are the ones who look bad in all of this.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1054
I would really like to know if it was Stephano's choice to pull back, or if Millenium is the one really pushing for this.

Either way, once you sign a contract, it's a pretty dick move to pull out. It doesn't matter what your reasons are, if you weren't sure, don't sign.


I will have a very low opinion of both Stephano and Millenium if he does not follow through with his obligations. Its times like these where you need to show that you are a man and accept that your actions have consequences. 18 is not too young to understand this.
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1055
On September 20 2011 05:28 Cobbbler wrote:
Millenium accuses Complexity of "disorienting" Stephano, When Complexity says there was a long period of negotiation.

Millenium says: "After a long discussion, Stephano understood his mistake and decided to stay with Millenium for the next 12 months"

It sounds to me like the kid made his decision to go to Complexity, when Millenium didn't think he would, then Millenium persuaded him to come back.

If anyone is doing the disorienting, it sounds like it's Millenium.

Agree +10000000000

This annoys me so much. Lwl is not making himself look good at all.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
September 19 2011 20:31 GMT
#1056
This sounds quite similar to the Puma situation. I just hope we don't lose a great talent in Stephano and he gets to play in more international tournaments.
Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
September 19 2011 20:31 GMT
#1057
On September 20 2011 05:27 SlaveboyZerg wrote:
Stupid move by Stephano. Noone will touch him after this.

I will probably get banned for saying this.

Nope, you will be banned for saying that you will be banned though.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
September 19 2011 20:31 GMT
#1058
Mill manager sitting on stephano's stream chatting about this and being dismissive, but won't communicate with complexity despite currently sitting int he spotlight, showing that he could be taking care of business. Maybe a running fault and a reason why they almost lost their best player to begin with.
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Tarias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands480 Posts
September 19 2011 20:31 GMT
#1059
If I were coL I wouldn't just let stephano rot to be honest. I wouldn't even want a player doing something like this on my team. I would also take this as an oppertunity to spit on mil and France some more, but thats probably not the right thing to do.
Go big, or go home!
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
September 19 2011 20:31 GMT
#1060
Big props to complexity for no backing down and holding people accountable for their actions. It's a real shame for Stephano too, he's very talented.
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