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On September 20 2011 05:38 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:35 Chill wrote:On September 20 2011 05:34 ZestyPickle wrote:On September 20 2011 05:33 Seronei wrote:On September 20 2011 05:32 f0rzaa wrote:
the french have laws to protect and allow them to pull this shit? LOL The US allows people to sign illegal contracts and have them be legal? LOL Because you know his contract was illegal? col have said it wasn't a real contract a few pages back. youre right, that is huge. i wonder what informal piece of paper they made him sign. Maybe they wanted to contract him in person, regardless, this means that the thread started by col yesterday regarding them signing stephano was premature.
Informal or not if he signs it knowing what it says hes still bound to what he agreed to, is it he best legal binding document? probably not, but to dismiss it as completely weightless, especially in the US, would be wrong.
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On September 20 2011 05:34 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:33 Seronei wrote:On September 20 2011 05:32 f0rzaa wrote:
the french have laws to protect and allow them to pull this shit? LOL The US allows people to sign illegal contracts and have them be legal? LOL generic ignorant statement about sweden's law system? LOL
To clarify. Just because the contract may be considered "illegal" in France doesn't mean it's illegal in the US. It also doesn't speak much of which one is the "better" alternative other than countries have different standards for validitiy of contracts. Labour oriented contracts are usually heavily regulated on a national level though, which is why this is getting messy because this is coL employing Stephano.
So, trying to thrashtalk the US by saying US allows people signing "illegal contracts" holds no truth because you don't know whether or not it's illegal in the US. So please stop with bullshit like this.
EDIT: Misquote, should've been directed to Seronei for clarification.
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NVM
Thats what I get for trusting Chill without reading myself haha.
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On September 20 2011 05:40 anrimayu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:39 vAtAZz wrote:
Stephano just said 3-4 days ago : "I stay in the Millenium Team".
They (coL) are talking about a "counter-offer". The counter offer was at 4AM, french hour. This contract has no legal value in France. So if I sign a contract to loan money at 4am in France, I can just keep the money since the contract is invalid? Sure dude. Nice 2 posts.
Good luck finding lawyers or a bank open at 4 am.
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On September 20 2011 05:40 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:38 AzurewinD wrote:On September 20 2011 05:37 havox_ wrote:On September 20 2011 05:34 Chill wrote:
Yea, this is new information. The fact that col didn't give him a real contract, and just put some "clear intentions on paper" is hugely important to the discussion. this! i want this to be read by everybody - statement by col plz? On September 20 2011 05:17 coljbass wrote:
At the end of the day I am not a lawyer but my partner Jason Lake is. Lot's of people can always say that a contract is "badly" written or it has "no value" but what I can say is that our contract very clearly spells out what we will provide and what is expected from the player. So maybe the focus should be on if someone understands the offer and accepts the offer and then signs the contract, that is probably a tad bit more important than if some clause that is necessary for a French contract is missing.
The intention of a contract is for an offer and acceptance as well as all that is required of both parties and I can safely say that our contract spells all of that out very clearly. There is no doubt that he was getting what he asked for and he should have had no doubt what he was asked for in return. I spoke to him for weeks and answered all questions. So sure we could all spend our lives focusing on something that is not worded correctly or something that is "missing" because I can assure you there is probably not a "perfect" contract out there. The more important issue is did he know what he was being asked to do and did he know what he was receiving in return and did he subsequently sign the contract and agree to the terms as they were? And the answer in this case is absolutely. I don't understand how this boils down to Jason Bass saying "it wasn't a real contract". Sounds like you're putting words in his mouth. My mistake I misread it.
so it's a real contract again? >_> woo?
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On September 20 2011 05:41 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:40 anrimayu wrote:On September 20 2011 05:39 vAtAZz wrote:
Stephano just said 3-4 days ago : "I stay in the Millenium Team".
They (coL) are talking about a "counter-offer". The counter offer was at 4AM, french hour. This contract has no legal value in France. So if I sign a contract to loan money at 4am in France, I can just keep the money since the contract is invalid? Sure dude. Nice 2 posts. Good luck finding lawyers or a bank open at 4 am.
Internet. it's pretty useful actually, ya know?
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On September 20 2011 05:38 AzurewinD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:37 havox_ wrote:On September 20 2011 05:34 Chill wrote:
Yea, this is new information. The fact that col didn't give him a real contract, and just put some "clear intentions on paper" is hugely important to the discussion. this! i want this to be read by everybody - statement by col plz? Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:17 coljbass wrote:
At the end of the day I am not a lawyer but my partner Jason Lake is. Lot's of people can always say that a contract is "badly" written or it has "no value" but what I can say is that our contract very clearly spells out what we will provide and what is expected from the player. So maybe the focus should be on if someone understands the offer and accepts the offer and then signs the contract, that is probably a tad bit more important than if some clause that is necessary for a French contract is missing.
The intention of a contract is for an offer and acceptance as well as all that is required of both parties and I can safely say that our contract spells all of that out very clearly. There is no doubt that he was getting what he asked for and he should have had no doubt what he was asked for in return. I spoke to him for weeks and answered all questions. So sure we could all spend our lives focusing on something that is not worded correctly or something that is "missing" because I can assure you there is probably not a "perfect" contract out there. The more important issue is did he know what he was being asked to do and did he know what he was receiving in return and did he subsequently sign the contract and agree to the terms as they were? And the answer in this case is absolutely. I don't understand how this boils down to Jason Bass saying "it wasn't a real contract". Sounds like you're putting words in his mouth.
Definitely. IMO Chill just misread this entire statement. He was commenting on the validity of a "perfect" contract and not that it was a bunch of intentions on a piece of paper. It's impossible to know exactly what it was from our perspective.
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This(if no new turns of event comes comes up) just shows that Stephano is still a kid and that Millenium got no morals. Thumbs up to Complexity for not backing down, let's just hope they win an eventual law suite.
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Honestly, sorry bro, you signed a legally binding contract, in the U.S that is your word as a man. Back out and suffer the consequence.
<3
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This should be on ESPN's not top 10 this week.
"There were multiple penalties on the play"
"First, Illegal Formation, Complexity!!
Second, Personal Foul, Millenium!
and a Fumble, on Stephano!!
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ESPORTS loses 15 yards and a loss of down."
+ Show Spoiler +
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On September 20 2011 05:41 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:40 anrimayu wrote:On September 20 2011 05:39 vAtAZz wrote:
Stephano just said 3-4 days ago : "I stay in the Millenium Team".
They (coL) are talking about a "counter-offer". The counter offer was at 4AM, french hour. This contract has no legal value in France. So if I sign a contract to loan money at 4am in France, I can just keep the money since the contract is invalid? Sure dude. Nice 2 posts. Good luck finding lawyers or a bank open at 4 am.
You don't need lawyers nor banks to sign a valid contract regarding loaning of money -_-
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On September 20 2011 05:37 StarCraft64 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:24 Angra wrote:On September 20 2011 05:23 Drenz wrote:coL contract is just a joke, nothing professionnal so it's quite funny to see people thinking they want to improve eSport  Drenz France. September 20 2011 05:23. Posts 1 Sacrebleu!
He is a millenium redacter.
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On September 20 2011 05:41 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:40 anrimayu wrote:On September 20 2011 05:39 vAtAZz wrote:
Stephano just said 3-4 days ago : "I stay in the Millenium Team".
They (coL) are talking about a "counter-offer". The counter offer was at 4AM, french hour. This contract has no legal value in France. So if I sign a contract to loan money at 4am in France, I can just keep the money since the contract is invalid? Sure dude. Nice 2 posts. Good luck finding lawyers or a bank open at 4 am.
You don't need a lawyer to sign a contract. And you also don't necessarily need a bank to loan someone money, write a cheque or just give them some cash.
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On September 20 2011 05:40 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:38 AzurewinD wrote:On September 20 2011 05:37 havox_ wrote:On September 20 2011 05:34 Chill wrote:
Yea, this is new information. The fact that col didn't give him a real contract, and just put some "clear intentions on paper" is hugely important to the discussion. this! i want this to be read by everybody - statement by col plz? On September 20 2011 05:17 coljbass wrote:
At the end of the day I am not a lawyer but my partner Jason Lake is. Lot's of people can always say that a contract is "badly" written or it has "no value" but what I can say is that our contract very clearly spells out what we will provide and what is expected from the player. So maybe the focus should be on if someone understands the offer and accepts the offer and then signs the contract, that is probably a tad bit more important than if some clause that is necessary for a French contract is missing.
The intention of a contract is for an offer and acceptance as well as all that is required of both parties and I can safely say that our contract spells all of that out very clearly. There is no doubt that he was getting what he asked for and he should have had no doubt what he was asked for in return. I spoke to him for weeks and answered all questions. So sure we could all spend our lives focusing on something that is not worded correctly or something that is "missing" because I can assure you there is probably not a "perfect" contract out there. The more important issue is did he know what he was being asked to do and did he know what he was receiving in return and did he subsequently sign the contract and agree to the terms as they were? And the answer in this case is absolutely. I don't understand how this boils down to Jason Bass saying "it wasn't a real contract". Sounds like you're putting words in his mouth. My mistake I misread it.
I can definitely see where you're coming from however. Something seems a bit...off about it.
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On September 20 2011 05:40 meRz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:34 marttorn wrote:On September 20 2011 05:33 Seronei wrote:On September 20 2011 05:32 f0rzaa wrote:
the french have laws to protect and allow them to pull this shit? LOL The US allows people to sign illegal contracts and have them be legal? LOL generic ignorant statement about sweden's law system? LOL To clarify. Just because the contract may be considered "illegal" in France doesn't mean it's illegal in the US. It also doesn't speak much of which one is the "better" alternative other than countries have different standards for validitiy of contracts. Labour oriented contracts are usually heavily regulated on a national level though, which is why this is getting messy because this is coL employing Stephano. So, trying to thrashtalk the US by saying US allows people signing "illegal contracts" holds no truth because you don't know whether or not it's illegal in the US. So please stop with bullshit like this. EDIT: Misquote, should've been directed to Seronei for clarification.
Exactly, in the US all contracts, formal or informal, still carry weight. Handshakes deals with witnesses and recorded verbal agreements can be as binding as signing your name sometimes
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On September 20 2011 05:33 Gwal wrote:
in fact, Llewellys thinks it isn't even worth replying to coL
in short, that is Millenium pov:
- coL makes a sneaky move contacting Stephano and making him sign a contract at night without contacting with them
- Mill people gets up and gets aware of the situation, talking to Stephano and convincing him to change back is decision. without any raise.
- coL is angry, and pull out the contract argument.
- Mill : "well, good luck with that piece of paper that is not even a real labor contract".
Llewellys also states that he is open to discussion, he just regrets that coL didn't went to speak to him yesterday...
coL should be ashamed, and shouldn't play the victims ...
If they had done this properly in the first place, none of this will have happened.
Exactly after what happened with vVvTitan and now this something doesn't seem right 
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On September 20 2011 05:35 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:34 ZestyPickle wrote:On September 20 2011 05:33 Seronei wrote:On September 20 2011 05:32 f0rzaa wrote:
the french have laws to protect and allow them to pull this shit? LOL The US allows people to sign illegal contracts and have them be legal? LOL Because you know his contract was illegal? col have said it wasn't a real contract a few pages back.
On September 20 2011 05:38 AzurewinD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:37 havox_ wrote:On September 20 2011 05:34 Chill wrote:
Yea, this is new information. The fact that col didn't give him a real contract, and just put some "clear intentions on paper" is hugely important to the discussion. this! i want this to be read by everybody - statement by col plz? Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:17 coljbass wrote:
At the end of the day I am not a lawyer but my partner Jason Lake is. Lot's of people can always say that a contract is "badly" written or it has "no value" but what I can say is that our contract very clearly spells out what we will provide and what is expected from the player. So maybe the focus should be on if someone understands the offer and accepts the offer and then signs the contract, that is probably a tad bit more important than if some clause that is necessary for a French contract is missing.
The intention of a contract is for an offer and acceptance as well as all that is required of both parties and I can safely say that our contract spells all of that out very clearly. There is no doubt that he was getting what he asked for and he should have had no doubt what he was asked for in return. I spoke to him for weeks and answered all questions. So sure we could all spend our lives focusing on something that is not worded correctly or something that is "missing" because I can assure you there is probably not a "perfect" contract out there. The more important issue is did he know what he was being asked to do and did he know what he was receiving in return and did he subsequently sign the contract and agree to the terms as they were? And the answer in this case is absolutely. I don't understand how this boils down to Jason Bass saying "it wasn't a real contract". Sounds like you're putting words in his mouth.
Yeah Chill, please quote where they said it wasn't a real contract, I cant seem to find the "clear intentions on paper" quote.
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On September 20 2011 05:41 meRz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:41 Seronei wrote:On September 20 2011 05:40 anrimayu wrote:On September 20 2011 05:39 vAtAZz wrote:
Stephano just said 3-4 days ago : "I stay in the Millenium Team".
They (coL) are talking about a "counter-offer". The counter offer was at 4AM, french hour. This contract has no legal value in France. So if I sign a contract to loan money at 4am in France, I can just keep the money since the contract is invalid? Sure dude. Nice 2 posts. Good luck finding lawyers or a bank open at 4 am. You don't need lawyers nor banks to sign a valid contract regarding loaning of money -_-
unless you're french!
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On September 20 2011 05:41 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:38 AzurewinD wrote:On September 20 2011 05:37 havox_ wrote:On September 20 2011 05:34 Chill wrote:
Yea, this is new information. The fact that col didn't give him a real contract, and just put some "clear intentions on paper" is hugely important to the discussion. this! i want this to be read by everybody - statement by col plz? On September 20 2011 05:17 coljbass wrote:
At the end of the day I am not a lawyer but my partner Jason Lake is. Lot's of people can always say that a contract is "badly" written or it has "no value" but what I can say is that our contract very clearly spells out what we will provide and what is expected from the player. So maybe the focus should be on if someone understands the offer and accepts the offer and then signs the contract, that is probably a tad bit more important than if some clause that is necessary for a French contract is missing.
The intention of a contract is for an offer and acceptance as well as all that is required of both parties and I can safely say that our contract spells all of that out very clearly. There is no doubt that he was getting what he asked for and he should have had no doubt what he was asked for in return. I spoke to him for weeks and answered all questions. So sure we could all spend our lives focusing on something that is not worded correctly or something that is "missing" because I can assure you there is probably not a "perfect" contract out there. The more important issue is did he know what he was being asked to do and did he know what he was receiving in return and did he subsequently sign the contract and agree to the terms as they were? And the answer in this case is absolutely. I don't understand how this boils down to Jason Bass saying "it wasn't a real contract". Sounds like you're putting words in his mouth. Definitely. IMO Chill just misread this entire statement. He was commenting on the validity of a "perfect" contract and not that it was a bunch of intentions on a piece of paper. It's impossible to know exactly what it was from our perspective.
Yea I 100% misread it. My mistake.
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