EPTStephano contract situation - Page 39
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Tehs Tehklz
United States330 Posts
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:55 Gwal wrote: That's what i'm saying. Just a copy paste of the announcement.published in hurry. No "Goodbye" with all the accomplishment of the player like they did for Huk and ToD : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/huk-quitte-millenium-pour-atteindre-son-reve-sc2-le-depart-d-huk-pour-la-coree-36062 http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/sc2-tod-et-millenium-c-est-fini-depart-du-joueur-millenium-50548 It wouldn't surprise me that they wouldn't make one if they were pissed that Stephano left and were planning to steal him back. See what I did there? I made a proof-less allegation that's possibly true because you can't disprove my point. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:31 ondik wrote: Stephano joining coL! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp20nhkGcL1qhdksk.gif) (hope someone didn't use it before  )Hahah careful now, mods don't like the image macros. | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:54 FaRess wrote: Millenium manager just said on stream that the contract that Complexity did is missing a lot of things, and says that legally their contracts have no value (in France), he also talk about how complexity posted the news at 5 am (CEST), so they should have expected what is happening right now when you do those kind of things link for stream plz ? | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:47 gulati wrote: Ok. I just read the official announcement from Jason Lake. I have been following him and compLexity ever since CS1.6, when Warden, fRod, tRip, Storm, etc., all were dominating under them - his passion is truly amazing. Now, on to the more important matters. @Jason Lake: you have my full support - that was the most honest and open release ever, and I seriously hope you guys will push this to limits that Millennium has no idea exist. A most shameful and disrespectul act has been committed today, whether by confusion or on purpose by Millennium. Whatever the reasoning may be from Millennium, you should rest assured that the "popular" choice of Stephano sticking with his heart is the retarded choice, and should not sway your actions whatsoever - those people don't understand what is good for eSports. We, and I mean me and the rest of the community that values professionalism and the true growth of eSports, give you our FULL support, and ask that if you ever need anything from us, don't hesitate to ask. <3 compLexity FIGHTING!!! Oh wow, you've been obviously Complexity biased all through this thread and now you post a long love letter to them based on two PR statements from different teams. And to top it off you use the "we the TRUE lovers of esports support you" with nothing to back it up. I support esports and i got brains enough to keep objective when there's no one that really knows what went down atm. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:57 Ownos wrote: Hahah careful now, mods don't like the image macros. Its spoilered, should be all set. | ||
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WoLFoU
France69 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:52 ellirc wrote: You don't have printers/scanners in France? Or I'm pretty sure Stephano has a mic with which you can record statements. The signature must be real and not scanned for validation (to prevent false signatures). So for me it is a verbal agreement and not a real contract "validated". | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:55 XRaDiiX wrote: Exactly my thoughts and people thought i was crazy for Calling CoL a sneaky snake when this is the 3rd time this 'Situation' has Happened with Complexity. Stephano was probably pressured into signing .. This is obviously apparent when Stephano so quickly changed his mind and/or didn't feel the contract was what he agreed to and/or was deceived by Complexity.  3rd times the charm What misfortunes with Destiny? He didn't want to be on the team, they were cool with it, and they went their separate ways. Did they force Destiny to give them money to get out of his contract? | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:37 gulati wrote: To the only parties who matter; compLexity, and Millennium. I agree - many people won't look at this from a legal standpoint. They have their personal opinions, I know. But ask yourself this, kind sir: Do those people matter in terms of this situation? They just have an opinion, and won't be the ones paying the bills in the end of the day. The parties who matter actually don't discuss the issue on TL forums, the people who don't matter do. So conflicting opinions of TL community ARE the ones that matter in this specific context. You were responding to a post someone made about how Stephano's age should be taken into consideration, and how he's a young kid rather than some business savvy professional. It's a perfectly reasonable stance to take from a personal, humane standpoint. You can't just say that it doesn't matter, because you saying that it doesn't matter doesn't matter either. If you argue against it, you should point out why what matters to you is more important than what matters to somebody you disagree with. On September 20 2011 04:37 gulati wrote: I am being as straight-up and real as it gets. Sorry if I come off as harsh. But I take contractual law and professional organizations extremely seriously, and I feel that those who make decisions in professional organizations do also. So they are the only ones I am concerned with. I don't care about sympathy and sincerity in this matter whatsoever. So? I don't take contractual law and professionalism extremely seriously at all. That doesn't interest me, I'm a Starcraft fan. I take what Starcraft players want extremely seriously. And if a talented 18 year old player is going to get sued or denied the right to play at pro level over this, then I couldn't care less about contracts and laws that stand in the way, in my eyes they are irrelevant, and nobody has given me a reason to think otherwise. However, as I said, if this turns to being just about money and Stephano jumping ship to a higher bidder, my sympathy for him will be completely gone. | ||
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Hatorade
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
http://www.millenium.org/home/milleniumtv/?chaine=millenium_tv | ||
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qwertzi
111 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:36 Kennigit wrote: www.complexitygaming.com/news/3129/ after reading this, i have to say i am 100% on coL's side! it appears that it is millenium's behavior that is questionable, as their statement makes obvious that they do not honor and respect legally binding contracts and that it was millenium who pressured Stephano rather than coL: "After a long discussion, Stephano understood his mistake and decided to stay with Millenium for the next 12 months" | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:55 XRaDiiX wrote: Exactly my thoughts and people thought i was crazy for Calling CoL a sneaky snake when this is the 3rd time this 'Situation' has Happened with Complexity. Stephano was probably pressured into signing .. This is obviously apparent when Stephano so quickly changed his mind and/or didn't feel the contract was what he agreed to and/or was deceived by Complexity. 3rd times the charm I dont think you have any idea what you are talking about. Just take a break, cold shower, fap if necessary, then come back and see what happens. | ||
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dpL
Sweden571 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:55 TG_Lelouch wrote: OH DAM ITS A WAR!@!@!@ And we all know how it went for France last time. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:55 Gwal wrote: That's what i'm saying. Just a copy paste of the announcement.published in hurry. No "Goodbye" with all the accomplishment of the player like they did for Huk and ToD : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/huk-quitte-millenium-pour-atteindre-son-reve-sc2-le-depart-d-huk-pour-la-coree-36062 http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/sc2-tod-et-millenium-c-est-fini-depart-du-joueur-millenium-50548 It is a LoL guy who made the new during the night, not their Sc2 manager. ( he was probably sleeping ? ). | ||
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Sleight
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nightsh
France135 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:54 FaRess wrote: Millenium manager just said on stream that the contract that Complexity did is missing a lot of things, and says that legally their contracts have no value (in France), he also talk about how complexity posted the news at 5 am (CEST), so they should have expected what is happening right now when you do those kind of things All of that is only relevant if you are trying to dispute a signed contract in the first place. There's probably a way out for Stephano if he wants to, especially under European law, but that doesn't change the fact that it's flat out wrong to sign with 1 organisation on day 1 and then decide to go with the other one on day 2. Stephano did sign with CoL., and he knew what it ment at that time. You can't go back on that as a player, and you can't pretend to be in the right as a team (Millenium that is) when you're helping a player back out of a contract on the basis of wanting him back yourself. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:54 Zocat wrote: This is actually not really correct (I dont know French law, but I doubt you know it either). If I "agree/sign" a contract here in Germany over telephone/internet I can retract it in a certain timeframe (2 weeks iirc). Signing/agreeing to something verbally over skype would definitely fall under this. If they used a notary it's of course different. There's also the problem with the legal period of notice (sic?). Even if the contract is legal he can probably leave after a very short time (1month normally), doesnt matter what the contract says (again German law). Again that's my point, you are just reinforcing what I'm trying to say. I don't know French law, you don't know french law. You don't know whether French law applies here, nor do I. Just like you I'm merely using the limited education in international law i've had (as of yet..) and contractual law that holds true in Sweden, just like this guy is doing. The entire point is you don't know if you can apply french law on this and say "lol this doesn't hold up". | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
Everybody is the freaking highest paid player apparently o.o If that's the French law then there's nothing CoL can do about it, even though the law doesn't really make sense to me. | ||
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