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If esports ever gets to that point, I'm happy when we have some sort of global organ that regulates all player transfers, that would make shit a lot easier.
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Hope Stephano will join up Complexity. Never was a fan of Millenium's competitive mindset. As they carry on a negative and non-productive way of thinking.
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On September 20 2011 05:00 Stuv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:56 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
StarCraft 2 definitely needs an international governing body so that players can't just pull this kind of nonsense and hide behind whatever BS international legal ambiguity they can find. If MLG, GSL and all the major tournaments joined the same governing organization, players would have to actually have some integrity and class for fear of punishment. Well never ever happen. A situation like this (local laws) even occurs at the most expensive markets around the world (pharma, software, patents). The only thing that could be somewhat leading is a gentlemen's agreement but even that is not legally binding in any form.
That's the point. Then, teams wouldn't have to worry about weak laws in other countries. If a player violates their contract, then they get banned from every tournament in the union, which would hopefully be all the major ones like MLG, GSL, Dreamhack, etc.
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On September 20 2011 05:01 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:00 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 04:57 WoLFoU wrote:On September 20 2011 04:52 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 04:51 WoLFoU wrote:On September 20 2011 04:45 Vul wrote:On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed. This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made the announcement too early without having received the signed contract. Also in French law, there is a time to retract. Gogo Stephano! Come on dude, read the next line. edit: Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ... You don't have printers/scanners in France? Or I'm pretty sure Stephano has a mic with which you can record statements. The signature must be real and not scanned for validation (to prevent false signatures). So for me it is a verbal agreement and not a real contract "validated". First of all, verbal agreements are valid in most countries. Second, it's perfectly fine to sign a contract and fax/email it. What? Verbal agreements mean nothing. Everything needs to be on paper. Wrong, in most countries verbal agreements are legally binding.
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How about a statement from Stephano and Millenium?
What a freaking mess. You don't sign contracts Stephano and then completly disregard them and hope that they don't have a case and that you can exploit some loophole in said contract.
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It's just so disappointing that a group of highly intellectual people such as starcraft nerds, can't seem to commit to the professionalism required to claim this as more than a hobby. It's just depressing and upsetting because weather you like it or not, this really does prevent esports from flourishing. No serious company is ever going to want to risk losses because an 18 year-old changed their mind.
I'm sure this is a really stressful time for Stephano, I mean this is his passion and it's turning into a nightmare, but I mean he really needs to understand where Complexity is coming from, if the details reveled so far are accurate.
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On September 20 2011 05:01 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:00 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 04:57 WoLFoU wrote:On September 20 2011 04:52 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 04:51 WoLFoU wrote:On September 20 2011 04:45 Vul wrote:On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed. This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made the announcement too early without having received the signed contract. Also in French law, there is a time to retract. Gogo Stephano! Come on dude, read the next line. edit: Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ... You don't have printers/scanners in France? Or I'm pretty sure Stephano has a mic with which you can record statements. The signature must be real and not scanned for validation (to prevent false signatures). So for me it is a verbal agreement and not a real contract "validated". First of all, verbal agreements are valid in most countries. Second, it's perfectly fine to sign a contract and fax/email it. What? Verbal agreements mean nothing. Everything needs to be on paper.
It doesn't have to be, but because they're not on paper, they're virtually impossible to prove. Verbal contracts are worth the paper they're written on, after all.
But even if they are difficult to prove doesn't mean they aren't actually binding.
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On September 20 2011 04:59 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:57 Fionn wrote:On September 20 2011 04:55 XRaDiiX wrote:On September 20 2011 04:52 SnoLys wrote:On September 20 2011 04:34 gullberg wrote:On September 20 2011 04:33 Lunas wrote:
On stephano´s Stream they sayd no contract had been signed and Millinium made 1 last offer in the last minut and comlexity was to fast to anounce it Yeah and Stephano/his fans aren't biased at all. Who isn't? CoL will be biased to CoL, Mil will be biased to Mil, Stephano will be biased to Stephano. So far CoL has a history of contract "misfortunes", with Destiny, vvvTitan and now Stephano. So who to believe? Exactly my thoughts and people thought i was crazy for Calling CoL a sneaky snake when this is the 3rd time this 'Situation' has Happened with Complexity. Stephano was probably pressured into signing .. This is obviously apparent when Stephano so quickly changed his mind and/or didn't feel the contract was what he agreed to and/or was deceived by Complexity.  3rd times the charm What misfortunes with Destiny? He didn't want to be on the team, they were cool with it, and they went their separate ways. Did they force Destiny to give them money to get out of his contract? Stephano Doesn't want to be on the Team and it appears with the laws in France... Stephano can legally breach/break his contract within 1 month of the legally binding day.
Right, but Destiny didn't use his contract with Complexity as leverage to sign with another team.
THAT is the despicable thing done by Stephano. He simply used coL 
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imo Stephano should just ignore col and millenium and join EG.
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On September 20 2011 05:02 DwD wrote:
How about a statement from Stephano and Millenium?
What a freaking mess. You don't sign contracts Stephano and then completly disregard them and hope that they don't have a case and that you can exploit some loophole in said contract.
Well to be fair to Complexity, Mill threw the first stone.
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On September 20 2011 04:58 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:55 XRaDiiX wrote:On September 20 2011 04:52 SnoLys wrote:On September 20 2011 04:34 gullberg wrote:On September 20 2011 04:33 Lunas wrote:
On stephano´s Stream they sayd no contract had been signed and Millinium made 1 last offer in the last minut and comlexity was to fast to anounce it Yeah and Stephano/his fans aren't biased at all. Who isn't? CoL will be biased to CoL, Mil will be biased to Mil, Stephano will be biased to Stephano. So far CoL has a history of contract "misfortunes", with Destiny, vvvTitan and now Stephano. So who to believe? Exactly my thoughts and people thought i was crazy for Calling CoL a sneaky snake when this is the 3rd time this 'Situation' has Happened with Complexity. Stephano was probably pressured into signing .. This is obviously apparent when Stephano so quickly changed his mind and/or didn't feel the contract was what he agreed to and/or was deceived by Complexity. 3rd times the charm I dont think you have any idea what you are talking about. Just take a break, cold shower, fap if necessary, then come back and see what happens.
Stephano Changed his mind the next day... or soon after..
This probably means he was pressured into signing and if multiple people who posted here are right about French law then CoL. cannot sue Stephano and/or Millenium for Changing his mind because there is a 1 month grace period since the beginning of contract initiation. If he did indeed bind himself to a Contract.
And if CoL wants to take Legal action against Millenium they have bad intentions in mind since Stephano probably never wanted to be on Team Complexity.. reason being he ended up choosing to stay with Millenium...
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On September 20 2011 05:01 Macpo wrote:
Apparently, French law allows any worker to retract from a contract within 30 days.
To give my 2 pence opinion, why couldn't someone change his mind? Every one does. and here it does not have any serious consequences. There isn't much at stake, no big deal, no money loss... just promises and business honour (i.e. nothing). Of course, Col are disappointed, but no one is dead.
How does this not have serious consequenses? Like coL states this would create a precedent that players can just come and go as they want. Do you seriously see that working well?
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Gonna be a great bitchfight, luvin it
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On September 20 2011 04:05 Parj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:52 chocopaw wrote:
Whatever the case is in the drama between the teams (no comment on that) I'm disgusted by the "french player should stay in french team" argument.
For esports free from nationalism! So true, we all like good players like Sen, Mana, Huk, Dimaga, MC, Thorzain... Who cares about their nationalities?
Yeah...that part was so pathetic from them....
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On September 20 2011 05:01 Macpo wrote:
Apparently, French law allows any worker to retract from a contract within 30 days.
To give my 2 pence opinion, why couldn't someone change his mind? Every one does. and here it does not have any serious consequences. There isn't much at stake, no big deal, no money loss... just promises and business honour (i.e. nothing). Of course, Col are disappointed, but no one is dead.
In this thread alone I've heard it's 48 hrs, 1 week, 2 weeks, and now 30 days. None of these people posted any source for this information.
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I hope that for Stephano's sake he is forced to play with coL, not only did he sign a contract but Millennium can't match coL's offer, they haven't even sent Stephano to an MLG let alone able to send him to Korea, and MLG's all over the world. Sign with coL for god sakes...
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fuck everything about this. Right now mill and stephano look particularly bad because they wont respond to any attempts at communication with col. Usually the ones being dicks are the ones who refuse to communicate. But who knows how mill will try to spin this next.
We need a facking international governing body that enforces some sort of free agency.
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On September 20 2011 05:01 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:00 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 04:57 WoLFoU wrote:On September 20 2011 04:52 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 04:51 WoLFoU wrote:On September 20 2011 04:45 Vul wrote:On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed. This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made the announcement too early without having received the signed contract. Also in French law, there is a time to retract. Gogo Stephano! Come on dude, read the next line. edit: Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ... You don't have printers/scanners in France? Or I'm pretty sure Stephano has a mic with which you can record statements. The signature must be real and not scanned for validation (to prevent false signatures). So for me it is a verbal agreement and not a real contract "validated". First of all, verbal agreements are valid in most countries. Second, it's perfectly fine to sign a contract and fax/email it. What? Verbal agreements mean nothing. Everything needs to be on paper.
You're wrong. How do you think any kind of negotiations would be able to take place otherwise...
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On September 20 2011 04:54 FaRess wrote:
Millenium manager just said on stream that the contract that Complexity did is missing a lot of things, and says that legally their contracts have no value (in France), he also talk about how complexity posted the news at 5 am (CEST), so they should have expected what is happening right now when you do those kind of things
well, but the contract is binding in the US... so if push comes to shove, col could sue in a us court of law, and if mil management ignores that it could have repercussions for millenium as a company, and the management as well as stephano personally...
maybe not as long as they will never travel to the states... but otherwise...
just saying .. if worse comes to worse.. but i still think it is pathetic of millenium to igonre the contract or pretend it does not matter...
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all of you are posting as if complexity suffered a loss to me the one who really lost out here was stephano he had a chance to practice with the greats and prove himself amongst them as well. its not every day you get the opportunity to practice with CatZ Slush CrunCher Starlife and Drewbie.. everone needs to relax and complexity should use this time to pick up a zerg proven on lan like mOoNgLaDe
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