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Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
September 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#721
If what the coL site posted is true, then Stephano and Millennium lost a lot of fans. Despicable.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
September 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#722
On September 20 2011 04:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT


I think the more important question is...

Did you comprehend it?

I don't see how Complexity was in the wrong at all, they made an offer and Mil was given the opportunity to counter. Based on the Complexity post, they were absolutely by the book, and Mil's post doesn't even really say they did anything obviously wrong other than the vague, "they disoriented him".
P0ckets
Profile Joined January 2011
United States430 Posts
September 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#723
If you sign a legally binding contract you should honor it. If you do not you not only degrade yourself but esports in general since it perpetuates the idea that people can just do as they please with out any repercussions. If Stehpano is allowed to do this it makes future sponsors and teams think twice about actually participating within the scene due to the shaky ground it is set on.
WoLFoU
Profile Joined February 2010
France69 Posts
September 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#724
On September 20 2011 04:45 Vul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!


Come on dude, read the next line.

edit:
Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization.


Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ...
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
September 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#725
lol wowzers, I can understand Mill's point, but a contract is a contract, and if Mr Lake says something is hurting ESPORTS it's hurting ESPORTS

He's an insanely talented player and deserves to be paid like one.
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Gwal
Profile Joined September 2011
Spain20 Posts
September 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#726
On September 20 2011 04:45 VirgilSC2 wrote:
if what Complexity has reported is true.


That's the thing, to me, it doesn't make any sense

The news come has a total surprise : CoL announcing it first ? Millenium without any "goodbye & best luck" news like they did for ToD and HuK when they left ?

If Millenium knew about theses negotiations, they obviously would have either proposed a counteroffer then, or said goodbye to Stephano & wish him the best luck, but certainly not wait until CoL announced they recruited him.

And Millenium reaction also supports this theory:
They found that during the night coL convinced their top player to sign with them without being able to respond? They counteroffer: I guess that was the only move possible for them.
"If in doubt, flat out" - Colin McRae
CidO
Profile Joined June 2010
United States695 Posts
September 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#727
Legally binding contracts and laws from one country don't always transfer over to contracts and laws in other countries.

Legal stuff is very messy with regards to international business.
:P
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 19:52:14
September 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#728
Because of the way they worded their Official Statement...

And also there was a previous occurence of a possible Shoddy contract from CoL to vVvTitan
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#729
On September 20 2011 04:50 setzer wrote:
Sounds like ultimately this will be decided by whether or not Stephano is able to opt-out of a contract (French law?) before a set time passes. If he is, then I don't see what coL is going to accomplish by taking legal action against either Stephano or Mill. It is unfortunate for coL. that their offer was accepted and then later spurned, but if Stephano is legally able to do that coL should simply move on and learn from this experience.


the attempt is more symbolic than anything really. Contracts must be honored in SC2 or we will be stuck in a real shitty financial situation.
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
September 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#730
5- Stephano would've been "one of the highest paid SC2 players in the world" at Complexity and they ensured that he would get "global travel" including to Korea.


why would he prefer to stay with Millenium? I don't get it... Ok its his home team and all that jaz, but come on here, huk left TL for the same reason, money speaks louders in this world, lol.
danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
September 19 2011 19:52 GMT
#731
On September 20 2011 04:51 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:45 Vul wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!


Come on dude, read the next line.

edit:
Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization.


Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile
SnoLys
Profile Joined August 2011
149 Posts
September 19 2011 19:52 GMT
#732
On September 20 2011 04:34 gullberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:33 Lunas wrote:
On stephano´s Stream they sayd no contract had been signed and Millinium made 1 last offer in the last minut and comlexity was to fast to anounce it

Yeah and Stephano/his fans aren't biased at all.

Who isn't? CoL will be biased to CoL, Mil will be biased to Mil, Stephano will be biased to Stephano.

So far CoL has a history of contract "misfortunes", with Destiny, vvvTitan and now Stephano. So who to believe?
Dissonance23
Profile Joined September 2010
United States259 Posts
September 19 2011 19:52 GMT
#733
Honestly, I hope coL does take legal action if they can. Players in esports need to realize that a contract is binding and you can't just go back on it.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 19 2011 19:52 GMT
#734
I dont understand why the millenium statement talks about french identity so much. Tarson, Diestar and Lalush are all non-french.
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Darack
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
51 Posts
September 19 2011 19:52 GMT
#735
This looks like a lose-lose situation if complexity decides to sue Millenium... either Stephano and Millenium are pissed or complexity embarrasses itself by not knowing french law if it applies here.
They should just try to get or force Mill into negotiations or at least the mentioned discussion (open or closed).
Also, I think Millenium is pulling the national pride card to their advantage. That's lame.
Jtom
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
September 19 2011 19:52 GMT
#736
On September 20 2011 04:51 Gwal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:45 VirgilSC2 wrote:
if what Complexity has reported is true.


That's the thing, to me, it doesn't make any sense

The news come has a total surprise : CoL announcing it first ? Millenium without any "goodbye & best luck" news like they did for ToD and HuK when they left ?

If Millenium knew about theses negotiations, they obviously would have either proposed a counteroffer then, or said goodbye to Stephano & wish him the best luck, but certainly not wait until CoL announced they recruited him.

And Millenium reaction also supports this theory:
They found that during the night coL convinced their top player to sign with them without being able to respond? They counteroffer: I guess that was the only move possible for them.

ahem : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/sc2-depart-de-stephano-millenium-perd-un-joueur-pour-complexity-50965
"Daddy, how did the Protossaurs go extinct?" "A giant EMP hit the earth" - Fionn
analyze
Profile Joined April 2011
United States155 Posts
September 19 2011 19:52 GMT
#737
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


You should go back to the first grade and learn how to read. It clearly states there were 18 days of negotiations. There was NO immediate pressure. In the end it was Stephano's decision, and he signed a legally binding contract with compLexity.

Not sure how many people know this but Jason Lake is a lawyer and the only way coL will give up Stephano back to Millennium would be to avoid drama. Jason Lake will win if he wants to.
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
September 19 2011 19:52 GMT
#738
On September 20 2011 04:51 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:45 Vul wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!


Come on dude, read the next line.

edit:
Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization.


Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ...

You don't have printers/scanners in France? Or I'm pretty sure Stephano has a mic with which you can record statements.
purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
September 19 2011 19:53 GMT
#739
I think this is going to become way more interesting when they slander/libel/defamation lawsuit goes forward regarding the situation. Its not just going to be a contract situation. europe is soft on contracts. Its pretty lame who knows what will happen. Depending upon the situation you might be required to give a 24 hour cancel period as well so who knows if that was met or not. I'm guessing not.


I'm guessing CoL sues because they know they can win. They get a nice transfer fee. Plus a little extra for the way the press release was worded and there done with the euro business for awhile.
Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
September 19 2011 19:53 GMT
#740
On September 20 2011 04:51 Gwal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:45 VirgilSC2 wrote:
if what Complexity has reported is true.


That's the thing, to me, it doesn't make any sense

The news come has a total surprise : CoL announcing it first ? Millenium without any "goodbye & best luck" news like they did for ToD and HuK when they left ?

If Millenium knew about theses negotiations, they obviously would have either proposed a counteroffer then, or said goodbye to Stephano & wish him the best luck, but certainly not wait until CoL announced they recruited him.

And Millenium reaction also supports this theory:
They found that during the night coL convinced their top player to sign with them without being able to respond? They counteroffer: I guess that was the only move possible for them.

From coL's statement:
2) For the next 18 days we conducted negotiations. We would make an offer and Millennium would make a counter offer. At no point did we apply pressure other than to make it clear that we were willing to do what it would take to secure his services.

So according to that they were proposing counter offers.
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