EPTStephano contract situation - Page 37
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
I think the more important question is... Did you comprehend it? I don't see how Complexity was in the wrong at all, they made an offer and Mil was given the opportunity to counter. Based on the Complexity post, they were absolutely by the book, and Mil's post doesn't even really say they did anything obviously wrong other than the vague, "they disoriented him". | ||
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P0ckets
United States430 Posts
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WoLFoU
France69 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:45 Vul wrote: Come on dude, read the next line. edit: Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ... | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
He's an insanely talented player and deserves to be paid like one. | ||
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Gwal
Spain20 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:45 VirgilSC2 wrote: if what Complexity has reported is true. That's the thing, to me, it doesn't make any sense The news come has a total surprise : CoL announcing it first ? Millenium without any "goodbye & best luck" news like they did for ToD and HuK when they left ? If Millenium knew about theses negotiations, they obviously would have either proposed a counteroffer then, or said goodbye to Stephano & wish him the best luck, but certainly not wait until CoL announced they recruited him. And Millenium reaction also supports this theory: They found that during the night coL convinced their top player to sign with them without being able to respond? They counteroffer: I guess that was the only move possible for them. | ||
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CidO
United States695 Posts
Legal stuff is very messy with regards to international business. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
And also there was a previous occurence of a possible Shoddy contract from CoL to vVvTitan | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:50 setzer wrote: Sounds like ultimately this will be decided by whether or not Stephano is able to opt-out of a contract (French law?) before a set time passes. If he is, then I don't see what coL is going to accomplish by taking legal action against either Stephano or Mill. It is unfortunate for coL. that their offer was accepted and then later spurned, but if Stephano is legally able to do that coL should simply move on and learn from this experience. the attempt is more symbolic than anything really. Contracts must be honored in SC2 or we will be stuck in a real shitty financial situation. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
why would he prefer to stay with Millenium? I don't get it... Ok its his home team and all that jaz, but come on here, huk left TL for the same reason, money speaks louders in this world, lol. | ||
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danson
United States689 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:51 WoLFoU wrote: Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile | ||
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SnoLys
149 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:34 gullberg wrote: Yeah and Stephano/his fans aren't biased at all. Who isn't? CoL will be biased to CoL, Mil will be biased to Mil, Stephano will be biased to Stephano. So far CoL has a history of contract "misfortunes", with Destiny, vvvTitan and now Stephano. So who to believe? | ||
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Dissonance23
United States259 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Darack
51 Posts
They should just try to get or force Mill into negotiations or at least the mentioned discussion (open or closed). Also, I think Millenium is pulling the national pride card to their advantage. That's lame. | ||
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Jtom
Ireland1044 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:51 Gwal wrote: That's the thing, to me, it doesn't make any sense The news come has a total surprise : CoL announcing it first ? Millenium without any "goodbye & best luck" news like they did for ToD and HuK when they left ? If Millenium knew about theses negotiations, they obviously would have either proposed a counteroffer then, or said goodbye to Stephano & wish him the best luck, but certainly not wait until CoL announced they recruited him. And Millenium reaction also supports this theory: They found that during the night coL convinced their top player to sign with them without being able to respond? They counteroffer: I guess that was the only move possible for them. ahem : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/sc2-depart-de-stephano-millenium-perd-un-joueur-pour-complexity-50965 | ||
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analyze
United States155 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote: Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract.. Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all. They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement. Hrm... Not good You should go back to the first grade and learn how to read. It clearly states there were 18 days of negotiations. There was NO immediate pressure. In the end it was Stephano's decision, and he signed a legally binding contract with compLexity. Not sure how many people know this but Jason Lake is a lawyer and the only way coL will give up Stephano back to Millennium would be to avoid drama. Jason Lake will win if he wants to. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:51 WoLFoU wrote: Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ... You don't have printers/scanners in France? Or I'm pretty sure Stephano has a mic with which you can record statements. | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
I'm guessing CoL sues because they know they can win. They get a nice transfer fee. Plus a little extra for the way the press release was worded and there done with the euro business for awhile. | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:51 Gwal wrote: That's the thing, to me, it doesn't make any sense The news come has a total surprise : CoL announcing it first ? Millenium without any "goodbye & best luck" news like they did for ToD and HuK when they left ? If Millenium knew about theses negotiations, they obviously would have either proposed a counteroffer then, or said goodbye to Stephano & wish him the best luck, but certainly not wait until CoL announced they recruited him. And Millenium reaction also supports this theory: They found that during the night coL convinced their top player to sign with them without being able to respond? They counteroffer: I guess that was the only move possible for them. From coL's statement: 2) For the next 18 days we conducted negotiations. We would make an offer and Millennium would make a counter offer. At no point did we apply pressure other than to make it clear that we were willing to do what it would take to secure his services. So according to that they were proposing counter offers. | ||
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