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Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
September 19 2011 19:45 GMT
#681
From my point of view, it really seems like Millennium is not acting very honorably here, if what Complexity has reported is true.

For Millennium and Stephano to come out with a statement like this, and then supposedly refuse to discuss this with Complexity seems very unprofessional. Such a shame, Stephano is a monster player, and I want to like him.
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NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
September 19 2011 19:45 GMT
#682
Okay no excuse for Stephano except then maybe he got confused by all this around him and wasn't prepared to handle it correctly.

But coL did nothing wrong.
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
September 19 2011 19:45 GMT
#683
On September 20 2011 04:43 Vul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:42 labbe wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:36 Kennigit wrote:
www.complexitygaming.com/news/3129/

If Complexity are going too sue someone, please don't try to make it sound like you are doing in "For the greater good of eSports". That would just be laughable.


You really don't think its in the best interest of competitive SC2 to have legally binding contracts?

I don't think its in the best interest of competitive SC2 to have teams suing each other, no.
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
September 19 2011 19:45 GMT
#684
On September 20 2011 04:43 TidusX.Yuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:42 labbe wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:36 Kennigit wrote:
www.complexitygaming.com/news/3129/

If Complexity are going too sue someone, please don't try to make it sound like you are doing in "For the greater good of eSports". That would just be laughable.


If Complexity really has a case (which we don't know, not enough information as it is) it really would be for the good of E-sports. If contracts can just be broken at will then chaos would ensue.

It would be good to have a case which ensures that contracts will be honored in the future. Otherwise the whole industry might even just falla apart.
Holzmann
Profile Joined May 2010
United States24 Posts
September 19 2011 19:45 GMT
#685
These are the dangers of doing business internationally. Laws and rights are simply interpreted differently elsewhere, and I'm not sure if there are two countries in the West with such fundamentally different perspectives than the US and France. It sucks, but Stephano may be within his full legal rights to do this and Col should have been better prepared for that possibility. It looks like they learned a painful, but constructive lesson.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 19:46:13
September 19 2011 19:45 GMT
#686
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!


Come on dude, read the next line.

edit:
Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization.
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
September 19 2011 19:45 GMT
#687
So who are Complexity gonna sue Stephano or Millinium?
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
September 19 2011 19:45 GMT
#688
great news! I always believed that the complexity transfer was bad for stephano. When it comes to the legal aspects of attempted transfer you should honour the players wishes not the contract. Because a player who has signed a contract prematurely won't do you any good. It would cast a dark shadow over complexity if stephano would have stay within that organisation. I feel like complexity don't understand French culture enough to behave properly. If they did nothing of this would have happened and they would have been able to successfully acquire stephano.
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Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 19:46:17
September 19 2011 19:45 GMT
#689
On September 20 2011 04:43 Emporio wrote:
I'm okay with the bad PR Complexity is getting from this whole situation. Anyone that honestly thinks they are in the wrong here is not a fan or supporter worth having.


may have misread...
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
September 19 2011 19:46 GMT
#690
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good
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merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
September 19 2011 19:46 GMT
#691
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!



T,T

"He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization."

Also verbal agreements are binding, while hard to prove, they are still legally binding. Also French Law doesn't necessarily apply here. Can people please stop thinking its that simple. "He lives in France therefor French law > all". No, not in a situation like this.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
ShallNoiseUpon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States311 Posts
September 19 2011 19:46 GMT
#692
On September 20 2011 04:44 dpL wrote:
Jason Lake and Jason Bass should merge into one being henceforth referred to as coL.Lake-Bass. That's the only thing that'll resolve this issue. So the world might be mended.


coL.Bake.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 19:48:33
September 19 2011 19:46 GMT
#693
Well okay, If it went the way Complexy just stated then i understand them.

If so then Millennium just showed a great deal of unprofessionalism.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
September 19 2011 19:46 GMT
#694
On September 20 2011 04:45 Lunas wrote:
So who are Complexity gonna sue Stephano or Millinium?


That's a good point. Would Complexity even be able to sue Millenium, regardless of the international law mess? Is there enough standing to take them to court instead of Stephano?
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
September 19 2011 19:47 GMT
#695
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!

It does not say he contacted CatZ to execute the contract, it says he contacted CatZ, afterwards he executed the contract (which can be implied to mean that he signed it), after which he reneged on his contractual agreement, and (supposedly) he and Mill. have refused to open any discussions with Complexity.
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FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
September 19 2011 19:47 GMT
#696
On September 20 2011 04:45 Lunas wrote:
So who are Complexity gonna sue Stephano or Millinium?


Legally they could probably sue both. But most likely Millenium (since Stephano probably has no material assets and it would look bad and potentially damage recruitment if Complexity starts suing players).
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 19 2011 19:47 GMT
#697
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?
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darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
September 19 2011 19:47 GMT
#698
Damn, contract drama.
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
September 19 2011 19:47 GMT
#699
Ok. I just read the official announcement from Jason Lake. I have been following him and compLexity ever since CS1.6, when Warden, fRod, tRip, Storm, etc., all were dominating under them - his passion is truly amazing.

Now, on to the more important matters.

@Jason Lake: you have my full support - that was the most honest and open release ever, and I seriously hope you guys will push this to limits that Millennium has no idea exist. A most shameful and disrespectul act has been committed today, whether by confusion or on purpose by Millennium. Whatever the reasoning may be from Millennium, you should rest assured that the "popular" choice of Stephano sticking with his heart is the retarded choice, and should not sway your actions whatsoever - those people don't understand what is good for eSports. We, and I mean me and the rest of the community that values professionalism and the true growth of eSports, give you our FULL support, and ask that if you ever need anything from us, don't hesitate to ask.

<3 compLexity FIGHTING!!!
C r u m b l i n g
Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
September 19 2011 19:47 GMT
#700
On September 20 2011 04:45 labbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:43 Vul wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:42 labbe wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:36 Kennigit wrote:
www.complexitygaming.com/news/3129/

If Complexity are going too sue someone, please don't try to make it sound like you are doing in "For the greater good of eSports". That would just be laughable.


You really don't think its in the best interest of competitive SC2 to have legally binding contracts?

I don't think its in the best interest of competitive SC2 to have teams suing each other, no.

It definitely is in the best interest of competitive SC2 if that's what it takes to have legally binding contracts.
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