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Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103)

Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
hypnoxide
Profile Joined August 2011
240 Posts
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#701
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!

Is it a common theme for French people to not take the time to fucking read something before committing to a response?
Proud hipster of the SlayersCoCa fanclub!
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#702
Well IMO for the legitimacy of E-sports, contracts do need to be honoured. If a player can make a mockery of contractual obligations, then that sets a precedent that isn't very good for the scene. While my understanding is that legally, Stephano is allowed to opt out, it doesn't leave a very good impression in my mind.
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ToasteR_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 19:50:50
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#703
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." [b]He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization.[\b] He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!

Read your own quote before talking out of your ass ffs
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#704
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!


Yes, let's all give a big cheer for a player that obviously couldn't make up his mind about what organisation he wanted to be part of, and has created an embarrasing problem for one of the few actual, decent, professional teams out there.

At times I wish SC was played by people in their 20s/30s instead of in their teens.
Zalitara
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway361 Posts
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#705
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!
Verbal agreements are binding (at least in Norway where we have real laws) just as written signatures, they are just harder to prove for obvious reasons. I honestly don't know how it is in France though, but it wouldn't surprise me if they have some loophole in that as well, country with pussy laws it seems.
Live to win
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#706
Sounds like millenium just being an ass in general.
From coL's statement, seems like complexity did absolutely nothing wrong..
All millenium's statement said was coL "disoriented" their young playing into making a bad decision, whatever that means. Actually, seems like it means absolutely nothing... and any chance of it meaning anything was completely denied by complexity's statement, since they gave it plenty of time without any shady business of forcing (if that's even possible) stephano to sign the contract.
I don't know what stephano is thinking either, signing a legally binding contract then changing his mind afterwards...
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 19:50:35
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#707
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT

The way it was worded i wouldn't be surprised 'even though its CoL.'s 'side of the story'

Sounded like Stephano may have been pressured into the Contract.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#708
w/e 1 less player i have to worry about following and cheering for.

Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#709
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good

How did anything in their statement make it seem like they pressured Stephano into anything? You must be trolling at this point, though at least this time you made it through a post with out calling coL "slimy".
This is the tale of Captain Jack Sparrow!
Floydian
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom374 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#710
Pretty fucked up. I can't see how both Millenium & Stephano can come out of this without losing credibility.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#711
On September 20 2011 04:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT


Time to go read it again.
BoBiNoU
Profile Joined March 2011
France181 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#712
Even if I dont like coL that much, I'm very disappointed. Stephano should have sticked to his decision and go with coL for his own sake.

I doubt he will ever go to Korea now and travel as much as we would have with complexity.

Just hope the outcome of this wont be too bad for both complexity and Stephano ( Mill definitely lowered their image in that desperate move ).
go m00
Leysha
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States22 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#713
This whole situation makes me sad. I know things like this happen in the 'real world' all the time but I don't like to see it creeping into e-sports......for the record, I appreciate Complexity's effort to remain open in communication with everyone about it. I'd like to see Millennium release a statement in the interest of open communication as well.
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#714
This is one thing that confuses me. Every French person is talking about how all contracts allow a month to back out and such. I assume that the contract that Complexity drafted doesn't have this clause in it. So does that mean the contract itself was illegitimate for a French person to even sign, or does French law somehow automatically add in the probation period, regardless of what the contract says?
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 19:50:00
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#715
On September 20 2011 04:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT


Really? Don;t think so...
twitch.tv/medrea
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
September 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#716
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good

Guys don't respond to this persons posts any longer, he is just trolling.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
September 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#717
On September 20 2011 04:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT


I don't think you did, you Sneaky Snake
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
September 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#718
On September 20 2011 04:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT


Then what part of it "sounds like they pressured poor Stephano"?
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
September 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#719
Sounds like ultimately this will be decided by whether or not Stephano is able to opt-out of a contract (French law?) before a set time passes. If he is, then I don't see what coL is going to accomplish by taking legal action against either Stephano or Mill. It is unfortunate for coL. that their offer was accepted and then later spurned, but if Stephano is legally able to do that coL should simply move on and learn from this experience.
havox_
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany442 Posts
September 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#720
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good

lol. which statement did you read?

Seriously... no matter how much you guys hate coL, but could you at least read/argue?!?
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