• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:52
CEST 18:52
KST 01:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)14
StarCraft 2
General
Protoss AoE skill expression August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #4/8 - Percival
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion How FlaSh Nearly Forfeited MSL Finals being late BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Are you ready for ASL 22? NEW HYPE VIDEO BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Iain M Banks Says He Has Cancer And Months To Live European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Are High-Level Gamers more A…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3435 users

Stephano contract situation - Page 36

Forum Index > SC2 General
3152 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 34 35 36 37 38 158 Next
Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103)

Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
hypnoxide
Profile Joined August 2011
240 Posts
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#701
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!

Is it a common theme for French people to not take the time to fucking read something before committing to a response?
Proud hipster of the SlayersCoCa fanclub!
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#702
Well IMO for the legitimacy of E-sports, contracts do need to be honoured. If a player can make a mockery of contractual obligations, then that sets a precedent that isn't very good for the scene. While my understanding is that legally, Stephano is allowed to opt out, it doesn't leave a very good impression in my mind.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
ToasteR_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 19:50:50
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#703
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." [b]He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization.[\b] He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!

Read your own quote before talking out of your ass ffs
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#704
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!


Yes, let's all give a big cheer for a player that obviously couldn't make up his mind about what organisation he wanted to be part of, and has created an embarrasing problem for one of the few actual, decent, professional teams out there.

At times I wish SC was played by people in their 20s/30s instead of in their teens.
Zalitara
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway361 Posts
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#705
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization. He seemed genuinely excited to be a part of our organization and joined our private Skype channel to chat with the team before going to bed.


This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made ​​the announcement too early without having received the signed contract.

Also in French law, there is a time to retract.

Gogo Stephano!
Verbal agreements are binding (at least in Norway where we have real laws) just as written signatures, they are just harder to prove for obvious reasons. I honestly don't know how it is in France though, but it wouldn't surprise me if they have some loophole in that as well, country with pussy laws it seems.
Live to win
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#706
Sounds like millenium just being an ass in general.
From coL's statement, seems like complexity did absolutely nothing wrong..
All millenium's statement said was coL "disoriented" their young playing into making a bad decision, whatever that means. Actually, seems like it means absolutely nothing... and any chance of it meaning anything was completely denied by complexity's statement, since they gave it plenty of time without any shady business of forcing (if that's even possible) stephano to sign the contract.
I don't know what stephano is thinking either, signing a legally binding contract then changing his mind afterwards...
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 19:50:35
September 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#707
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT

The way it was worded i wouldn't be surprised 'even though its CoL.'s 'side of the story'

Sounded like Stephano may have been pressured into the Contract.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#708
w/e 1 less player i have to worry about following and cheering for.

Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#709
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good

How did anything in their statement make it seem like they pressured Stephano into anything? You must be trolling at this point, though at least this time you made it through a post with out calling coL "slimy".
This is the tale of Captain Jack Sparrow!
Floydian
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom374 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#710
Pretty fucked up. I can't see how both Millenium & Stephano can come out of this without losing credibility.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#711
On September 20 2011 04:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT


Time to go read it again.
BoBiNoU
Profile Joined March 2011
France181 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#712
Even if I dont like coL that much, I'm very disappointed. Stephano should have sticked to his decision and go with coL for his own sake.

I doubt he will ever go to Korea now and travel as much as we would have with complexity.

Just hope the outcome of this wont be too bad for both complexity and Stephano ( Mill definitely lowered their image in that desperate move ).
go m00
Leysha
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States22 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#713
This whole situation makes me sad. I know things like this happen in the 'real world' all the time but I don't like to see it creeping into e-sports......for the record, I appreciate Complexity's effort to remain open in communication with everyone about it. I'd like to see Millennium release a statement in the interest of open communication as well.
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#714
This is one thing that confuses me. Every French person is talking about how all contracts allow a month to back out and such. I assume that the contract that Complexity drafted doesn't have this clause in it. So does that mean the contract itself was illegitimate for a French person to even sign, or does French law somehow automatically add in the probation period, regardless of what the contract says?
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 19:50:00
September 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#715
On September 20 2011 04:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT


Really? Don;t think so...
twitch.tv/medrea
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
September 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#716
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good

Guys don't respond to this persons posts any longer, he is just trolling.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
September 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#717
On September 20 2011 04:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT


I don't think you did, you Sneaky Snake
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
September 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#718
On September 20 2011 04:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:47 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good


Did you even read it?


Yeah I READ IT


Then what part of it "sounds like they pressured poor Stephano"?
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
September 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#719
Sounds like ultimately this will be decided by whether or not Stephano is able to opt-out of a contract (French law?) before a set time passes. If he is, then I don't see what coL is going to accomplish by taking legal action against either Stephano or Mill. It is unfortunate for coL. that their offer was accepted and then later spurned, but if Stephano is legally able to do that coL should simply move on and learn from this experience.
havox_
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany442 Posts
September 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#720
On September 20 2011 04:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Even after Reading just now Complexity's Official Statements.. It sounds like they pressured poor Stephano into the Contract..

Considering the Sneaky Snake moves they did with vVvTitan i wouldn't expect anything different from CoL. At all.

They are actually going to try and take Legal action if i'm correct after reading the Official Statement.

Hrm... Not good

lol. which statement did you read?

Seriously... no matter how much you guys hate coL, but could you at least read/argue?!?
Prev 1 34 35 36 37 38 158 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The Patches Monday
16:00
#2
RotterdaM614
TaKeTV 254
IndyStarCraft 126
SteadfastSC90
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 614
TKL 187
IndyStarCraft 126
SteadfastSC 90
ProTech84
UpATreeSC 76
BRAT_OK 59
StarCraft: Brood War
Soulkey 789
BeSt 417
ggaemo 238
actioN 196
Light 194
soO 150
Rush 93
Hyun 50
Sharp 39
Hm[arnc] 29
[ Show more ]
Pusan 25
scan(afreeca) 22
ToSsGirL 20
HiyA 16
910 13
Sacsri 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Dota 2
qojqva3437
Counter-Strike
x6flipin844
edward12
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang040
Other Games
singsing1729
B2W.Neo902
hiko859
Grubby828
FrodaN767
Hui .220
ArmadaUGS217
mouzStarbuck207
ceh9195
Liquid`VortiX195
QueenE72
Mew2King53
MindelVK4
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 25
• Shameless 17
• Reevou 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV995
League of Legends
• Nemesis2008
• Jankos1416
• TFBlade667
• Shiphtur526
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
17h 9m
PiG Sty Festival
19h 9m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
The Patches Monday
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-09
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
Proleague 2026-08-10
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
META DYMY #4
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.