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ToasteR_
Canada551 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:51 WoLFoU wrote: Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ... Its called a fax machine and we have had them for decades | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:44 WoLFoU wrote: This is not a signature but a verbal agreement. I do not think Col has received the signed contract from what I understand. So for me, Col made the announcement too early without having received the signed contract. Also in French law, there is a time to retract. Gogo Stephano! He signed a contract AND had a verbal agreement. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
If he signed a contract, even as a "kid", then it's his fault for this whole mess. | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:48 XRaDiiX wrote: Yeah I READ IT The way it was worded i wouldn't be surprised 'even though its CoL.'s 'side of the story' Sounded like Stephano may have been pressured into the Contract. Go read it again. You are either a complete troll, or too immature to understand that Millennium and Stephano FAIL to respond to compLexity. Stephano has been streaming this entire time. His eMail inbox was flooding. He deliberately was not responding. I hope for the love of eSports that there are not many more people who share your ideology - you are drowning in your own failure to expand your mind and understand how compLexity is not at fault whatsoever. P.S. compLexity's statement is backed up by Written Logs. What is Millennium's statement backed up by? | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
1) There was an open bidding war 2) CoL put up more money 3) Stephano engaged in a legally binding agreement (Mill admits this) 4) Mill/Stephano changed such that Stephano seems to want to remain with Mill. So all the other details are probably a little open to interpretation. Is there legal precedent for suing someone internationally over contract violations? Yes, happens all the time. Literally all the time. Verbal agreements are only binding in some specific scenarios/fields. Hopefully either this is one of them or coL has a stronger leg to stand on than a teenager/20something said, "Yeah man let's do it!" GOGOGO coL HWAITING! | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:52 PassiveAce wrote: I dont understand why the millenium statement talks about french identity so much. Tarson, Diestar and Lalush are all non-french. All of the flowery non-speech from the Millenium article really worries me that they do not have a leg to stand on. That is usually the last line of defense before "We settled out of court/public" | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
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provrorsbarn
Sweden766 Posts
coL should just make a counter offer or move on cuz I dont think they can hold stephano to anything even though he supposedly signed a contract with them...... | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:51 WoLFoU wrote: Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ... It blows my mind that you can say this while typing an online message onto a US-based server, arguing against posters from all over the globe. | ||
Koorb
France266 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:51 WoLFoU wrote: Signature Internet? An employment contract must be signed in France on paper ... So for me there is no time to sign it and send it to the other side of the world if it were yesterday ... Stop embarassing yourself... In French labor law, a CDI can even be implied and not expressed, and of course oral agreement is accepted... | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:46 meRz wrote: T,T "He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization." Also verbal agreements are binding, while hard to prove, they are still legally binding. Also French Law doesn't necessarily apply here. Can people please stop thinking its that simple. "He lives in France therefor French law > all". No, not in a situation like this. This is actually not really correct (I dont know French law, but I doubt you know it either). If I "agree/sign" a contract here in Germany over telephone/internet I can retract it in a certain timeframe (2 weeks iirc). Signing/agreeing to something verbally over skype would definitely fall under this. If they used a notary it's of course different. There's also the problem with the legal period of notice (sic?). Even if the contract is legal he can probably leave after a very short time (1month normally), doesnt matter what the contract says (again German law). | ||
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havox_
Germany442 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:51 Gwal wrote: That's the thing, to me, it doesn't make any sense The news come has a total surprise : CoL announcing it first ? Millenium without any "goodbye & best luck" news like they did for ToD and HuK when they left ? If Millenium knew about theses negotiations, they obviously would have either proposed a counteroffer then, or said goodbye to Stephano & wish him the best luck, but certainly not wait until CoL announced they recruited him. And Millenium reaction also supports this theory: They found that during the night coL convinced their top player to sign with them without being able to respond? They counteroffer: I guess that was the only move possible for them. of course Mill knew about these negotiations... I guess he will have at least received a similar contract (money, travel, korea) from Mill, else he would even be more retarded to sign it (do we agree?). So you would think that Mill was able to make such an offer within less than one day? | ||
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Deadfi5h
6 Posts
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TG_Lelouch
United States134 Posts
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:52 SnoLys wrote: Who isn't? CoL will be biased to CoL, Mil will be biased to Mil, Stephano will be biased to Stephano. So far CoL has a history of contract "misfortunes", with Destiny, vvvTitan and now Stephano. So who to believe? Exactly my thoughts and people thought i was crazy for Calling CoL a sneaky snake when this is the 3rd time this 'Situation' has Happened with Complexity. Stephano was probably pressured into signing .. This is obviously apparent when Stephano so quickly changed his mind and/or didn't feel the contract was what he agreed to and/or was deceived by Complexity.  3rd times the charm | ||
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Gwal
Spain20 Posts
On September 20 2011 04:52 Jtom wrote: ahem : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/sc2-depart-de-stephano-millenium-perd-un-joueur-pour-complexity-50965 That's what i'm saying. Just a copy paste of the announcement.published in hurry. No "Goodbye" with all the accomplishment of the player like they did for Huk and ToD : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/huk-quitte-millenium-pour-atteindre-son-reve-sc2-le-depart-d-huk-pour-la-coree-36062 http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/sc2-tod-et-millenium-c-est-fini-depart-du-joueur-millenium-50548 | ||
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Lumi
United States1616 Posts
I am completely unimpressed by Stephano and M's handling of all of this, and my support goes out to Complexity, including its team members who were surely very excited about welcoming in such a great new player. | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
Legally, I highly doubt that col. can do anything, and I don't even understand why they would want to. Teams are competing among themselves, and the one with the best offer wins. The looser should just accept their defeat, if they can't make a better offer. | ||
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