Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103)

Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.

Mr.Brightside

Australia317 Posts

September 19 2011 18:53 GMT

#401

On September 20 2011 03:50 Fionn wrote:

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Are you under contract with TeamLiquid? What if an Arabian upstart e-sports community/team wanted you and would buy you in piles of gold?

You mean AlJazeeraLiquid? DON'T DO IT CHILL!!!

Novalisk

Israel1818 Posts

September 19 2011 18:54 GMT

#402

Looks like if anyone "disoriented" Stephano it would be Millennium, seeing as the contractual process took weeks of negotiation with all parties, while this breach of contract took less than a day and left Complexity out of the picture.

Legio

Sweden235 Posts

September 19 2011 18:54 GMT

#403

On September 20 2011 03:52 shrinkmaster wrote:
Complexity really needs to take a stand in this matter and make sure that every player and team will think twice about signing and breaking a contract.

Agreed, but for different reasons.

1. Stephano has the chance to go to Korea and practise with DRG, under the Col banner.
2. Col needs to show that they are serious about their contracted players, or their top players will be leaving left and right as opportunity comes their way.

keioh

France1099 Posts

September 19 2011 18:54 GMT

#404

On September 20 2011 03:48 Patate wrote:

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Find me the original French text and I'll translate it for you

Well, actually, that's an exact translation of the text on the Millenium's site.

Jinivus

747 Posts

September 19 2011 18:54 GMT

#405

Hopefully Mil or Stephano have to pay a penalty, or can be sued. Like others said they have to make contracts actually mean something in SC2.

Gotmog

Serbia899 Posts

September 19 2011 18:54 GMT

#406

Don't care about it that much, BUT, this probably means Stephano is not going to MLG

Sucks for all of us

Juanald

United States354 Posts

September 19 2011 18:54 GMT

#407

On September 20 2011 03:52 stormtemplar wrote:
Col should take a stand here for certain.

definitely here in america if you dont have honor and your word you really dont have anything i dont expect coL to be surrendering here.

Monkeybay

12 Posts

September 19 2011 18:54 GMT

#408

So the basic timeline is:
-> Stephano's old contract is about to expire and Complexity approaches him
-> coL und Millenium both try to win him over with offers and counteroffers
-> Stephano finally accepts an offer from coL and signs a binding contract
-> coL announces the acquisition
-> Millenium realize they lost their best player and talk him into signing a new contract
-> Millenium and Stephano announce their new contract on stream

Sorry, but i don't see any wrongdoings by Complexity.

Gamegene

United States8308 Posts

September 19 2011 18:54 GMT

#409

Community headlines: Stephano to coL
me: yay!

Community headlines: Stephano is JK
me: the fuck is going on?

krayzy

Belgium66 Posts

September 19 2011 18:55 GMT

#410

this is ridiculous.... no other words for it

WArped

United Kingdom4845 Posts

September 19 2011 18:55 GMT

#411

On September 20 2011 03:50 Bojas wrote:

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It's not a pure french team, afaik they have Lalush who is a swede and possibly more.

I know that, but do they think by not having any French players, they are not developing French eSports themselves by supporting French players such as Stephano? It's all very strange to me.

gulati

United States2241 Posts

September 19 2011 18:55 GMT

#412

On September 20 2011 03:50 Fionn wrote:

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Are you under contract with TeamLiquid? What if an Arabian upstart e-sports community/team wanted you and would buy you in piles of gold?

Dude... STOP thinking that Stephano was born without a brain! CONTRACTS have risks and rewards. Stephano did not have a fucking gun held to his head. He acted under his best interests.

Let me give you a fucking example: If you sell a card collection of baseball cards, which you bought for $1, and you sell them for $20, you made a 20x profit. You are happy. Congrats. NOW, say fifteen minutes later, an appraiser brings $1,000,000,000 CASH for your cards, and begs you for them back. YOU CANNOT BUY BACK YOUR CARDS. Follow fucking litigation. Stop with this nonsense, PLEASE.

Medrea

10003 Posts

September 19 2011 18:55 GMT

#413

Slap Stephano or Millenium or both with a small fine and lets be on our way please.

Otolia

France5805 Posts

September 19 2011 18:55 GMT

#414

On September 20 2011 03:33 LordJerith wrote:
We had a similar issue last year with vVv Titan. We brought a lawyer on board to discuss the validity of Complexity's contracts. You can listen to that show right HERE.

I recommend anyone interested take a listen. Here is a brief synopsis of the show:

"When questions arise about contracts and competitive gaming, The Loser's Bracket turns to attorney Graham Claybrook for advice. Starcraft player vVv Titan explains his recent contractual dealings with another gaming organization (we will leave them anonoymous to protect the guilty) and Graham helps us to understand our legal rights as well as how players can protect themselves. "

The Loser's Bracket Podcast

I'm still listening to it. Thank for providing the link. It is very interesting.

Merfyn

United Kingdom945 Posts

September 19 2011 18:55 GMT

#415

On September 20 2011 03:54 Gamegene wrote:
Community headlines: Stephano to coL
me: yay!

Community headlines: Stephano is JK
me: the fuck is going on?

Pretty much my reaction aswell. this whole situation is like O.o omg

Chill

Calgary25981 Posts

September 19 2011 18:55 GMT

#416

On September 20 2011 03:50 Fionn wrote:

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Are you under contract with TeamLiquid?

No.

What if an Arabian upstart e-sports community/team wanted you and would buy you in piles of gold?

I would probably sign a contract with them and fulfill it to take their money.

One of the worst posts I've ever seen here. I can't even understand what your point is. "What if someone paid you for the work you're volunteering? THEN WHAT WOULD YOU DO???"

???

Neurosis

United States893 Posts

September 19 2011 18:55 GMT

#417

lol the headlines are so funny. "compLexity adds Stephano" then right above it...."Stephano decides to stay with Millenium"....

Anyways I think it's best to stay loyal to your team through thick and thin, so ultimately this is a good move. Stephano is definitely one of the best foreign zergs so I'm not really surprised he has 2 of the most notable non-korean pro teams fighting over him.

DrGong

United States11 Posts

September 19 2011 18:56 GMT

#418

I wonder if Stephano is actually going to get away with it. I don't believe this should be allowed in any circumstance, unless both parties were informed and they were all for it.

Contracts can't be broken without repercussions. I hope somebody does take the blame and take the responsibility. This can only hurt the competitive scene.

Fix it soon, please!

DoomsVille

Canada4885 Posts

September 19 2011 18:56 GMT

#419

On September 20 2011 03:54 Gotmog wrote:
Don't care about it that much, BUT, this probably means Stephano is not going to MLG

Sucks for all of us

I would think that part of Millenniums latest offer to Stephano would include sending him to MLG/any event he wants like complexity likely would have done.

I doubt Stephano would accept an offer that was worse than what complexity had signed with him.

cywait

United States10 Posts

September 19 2011 18:56 GMT

#420

If Stephano did sign a contract, shouldn't he be punished? With the information that is out right now it seems like Millennium needs to be reprimanded also. If there are no repercussions to these types of actions, what will prevent players and teams from doing this in the future?