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Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103)

Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
September 19 2011 18:51 GMT
#381
They did the exact same thing with vVvTitan.
Hyperiok
Profile Joined August 2011
England20 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:51:40
September 19 2011 18:51 GMT
#382
[ Later, on www.myeg.net ]

Stephano joins up with Team Evil Geniuses!
Merfyn
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom945 Posts
September 19 2011 18:51 GMT
#383
On September 20 2011 03:50 Fionn wrote:
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On September 20 2011 03:48 Chill wrote:
I'm glad col is taking a stand. It was starting to look like contracts in SC2 were meaningless.


Are you under contract with TeamLiquid? What if an Arabian upstart e-sports community/team wanted you and would buy you in piles of gold?


EG? am i doing this right? :D
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.."
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
September 19 2011 18:51 GMT
#384
On September 20 2011 03:50 Bojas wrote:
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On September 20 2011 03:49 WArped wrote:
More drama when it comes to contract agreements and player signing.

Apparently Stephano did sign a contract with Complexity and they won't let him go without a fight.

Oh god, here we go again. If Stephano did indeed sign it, what can he do? Refuse to play for them? I am not sure if Stephano cares that much about who he plays under, as long as he gets support for his career and travel. Sure he has loyalties for Mill but we don't quite know how he was approached by Col, we only know it was "disorientating" and Millenium want to keep Stephano to build a strong French team for StarCraft 2 eSports. In my opinion it is quite a selfish view on how to run a team and would they rather stop Stephano from leaving to succeed like he will under another team with a stronger StarCraft 2 team purely because it's a French eSports team that is losing a player to Complexity, an American team who are very ambitious and have proven to have more goals and plans for the future. The question is was it Stephano's mistake to decide to leave as Cedix statement claims or was it the teams mistake for letting him leave in the first play but I want to know how coL approached Stephano.



It's not a pure french team, afaik they have Lalush who is a swede and possibly more.


They have Tarson and DieStar too.
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
September 19 2011 18:51 GMT
#385
On September 20 2011 03:45 XRaDiiX wrote:
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On September 20 2011 03:40 Grettin wrote:
I guess OP is worth updating, response from Jason Lake:


On September 20 2011 03:00 jlake02 wrote:
For Mr. Page to insinuate we improperly "disoriented" a young player is an outright lie. We have spent weeks negotiating with Stephano and countering offers made by Millennium. This was no quick pressure situation.

We will take a step back and analyze the situation but I hope Millennium honors the rule of contract law and does not disrespect it in eSports. Doing so would set a precedent that would undermine all we are collectively trying to accomplish.

We will evaluate our options but I do not see a way we can allow this blatant disrespect for the contractual process to go unanswered. We will be contacting legal counsel in France and investigating courses of action.


OMGGG!!! SHIT STORM!

Seems like COL. Is possibly going to take Action... if they do i think they are slimy!


Really? It's slimy to see what kind of action you can take when a player and/or competing organization blatantly disregards a CONTRACT that was signed?

Okay...
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FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
September 19 2011 18:51 GMT
#386
On September 20 2011 03:51 Noxie wrote:
They did the exact same thing with vVvTitan.


Who did what?
Kevmeister @ Dota2
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#387
now lets be honest, who expected a french team to fight for their player? :>

+ i have to agree with chill, im happy col doesnt like to be f*cked at all
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
September 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#388
Complexity really needs to take a stand in this matter and make sure that every player and team will think twice about signing and breaking a contract.
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
September 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#389
So coL signs a player, said player backs out to previous organization for more money after already signing a contract, and people think coL is unprofessional?

Maybe Stephano saw a figure and jumped the gun too quick before Mill could counter offer, probably a poor decision by him, but hopefully he doesn't get too much shit on his mind and can quickly go back to practice because he is a beast.

But coL has to show that contracts in esports are not a joke at the same time.

Hopefully Mill pays a fee for the contract and ends this quickly before things get messy.
hypnoxide
Profile Joined August 2011
240 Posts
September 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#390
On September 20 2011 03:45 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:40 Grettin wrote:
I guess OP is worth updating, response from Jason Lake:


On September 20 2011 03:00 jlake02 wrote:
For Mr. Page to insinuate we improperly "disoriented" a young player is an outright lie. We have spent weeks negotiating with Stephano and countering offers made by Millennium. This was no quick pressure situation.

We will take a step back and analyze the situation but I hope Millennium honors the rule of contract law and does not disrespect it in eSports. Doing so would set a precedent that would undermine all we are collectively trying to accomplish.

We will evaluate our options but I do not see a way we can allow this blatant disrespect for the contractual process to go unanswered. We will be contacting legal counsel in France and investigating courses of action.


OMGGG!!! SHIT STORM!

Seems like COL. Is possibly going to take Action... if they do i think they are slimy!

Yeah, how dare they expect someone to honor a contract? That's so fucking slimy!
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Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
September 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#391
Bad press for everyone but coL, who are handling it like a class act. Hopefully this wraps up so we can get back to sc2!
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
SlimeBagly
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
356 Posts
September 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#392
My question is if Stephano was under contract with Mill when he signed with coL. If so, wouldn't Mill have to agree to release Stephano?
mutalisks are awesome!
chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
September 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#393
Whatever the case is in the drama between the teams (no comment on that) I'm disgusted by the "french player should stay in french team" argument.
For esports free from nationalism!
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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
September 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#394
On September 20 2011 03:49 sereniity wrote:
[image loading]

This is legendary lol...

Sweet. I have been immortalized in picture form.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
September 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#395
I just dont understand this... How can they announce he joined Col then announce that he did not? Any posts from stephano? You know, aside from how he's happy to join Col
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
September 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#396
--- Nuked ---
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 19 2011 18:53 GMT
#397
I don't see how this is Millennium not honoring their contract... If Stephano doesn't want to switch to coL, then that does not involve Mill at all.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
September 19 2011 18:53 GMT
#398
sounds like millenium is shady and i'll proceed to give them as little support as possible. really pathetic the way they went about this. this shits on both stephano and coL and the scene in general for thinking you can do spin the PR to make it look like you aren't doing what you're doing.
WWfour
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom14 Posts
September 19 2011 18:53 GMT
#399
On September 20 2011 03:50 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:48 Chill wrote:
I'm glad col is taking a stand. It was starting to look like contracts in SC2 were meaningless.


Are you under contract with TeamLiquid? What if an Arabian upstart e-sports community/team wanted you and would buy you in piles of gold?


Then you have to wait until your contract is up and you sign elsewhere. Contracts are not meaningless, no matter what they're signed for.
JohnnyBlaze420
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia814 Posts
September 19 2011 18:53 GMT
#400
On September 20 2011 03:49 SPQR13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:31 havox_ wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:28 zerker2strong wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:26 havox_ wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:17 tofubeans wrote:
Update:

Within the last hour Team Millennium announced that Stephano was remaining with their organization despite the fact he executed a legally binding contract with compLexity. We are extremely disappointed by this turn of events are are seeking more information while we evaluate our legal options with French counsel. By no means do we want a player who does not want to be part of our organization but we can not simply allow players and organizations to completely disrespect the legal contractual process that ensures stability in our evolving sport.


http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3126/#

He did sign a contract.

ifthis is really true, i actually hope that he a) gets sued or b) at least will be banned from leagues =)
sounds harsh, but how else to let kids grow up? Do we want this to be a real, pro sport or not?


ye lets ban the best foreign player lol good thinking

lol, thats your argument?
"what the hell, he is the best foreigner (lol, he isnt btw^^), he is allowed to do what ever he wants... who cares about contracts anyways?" dude, sorry, but thats retarded^^


no argument is needed, your post was retarded


umm his post was fine, yours on the other hand mate.......
.lets get weird
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