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Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:46:37
September 19 2011 18:45 GMT
#341
On September 20 2011 03:40 Grettin wrote:
I guess OP is worth updating, response from Jason Lake:


Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:00 jlake02 wrote:
For Mr. Page to insinuate we improperly "disoriented" a young player is an outright lie. We have spent weeks negotiating with Stephano and countering offers made by Millennium. This was no quick pressure situation.

We will take a step back and analyze the situation but I hope Millennium honors the rule of contract law and does not disrespect it in eSports. Doing so would set a precedent that would undermine all we are collectively trying to accomplish.

We will evaluate our options but I do not see a way we can allow this blatant disrespect for the contractual process to go unanswered. We will be contacting legal counsel in France and investigating courses of action.


OMGGG!!! SHIT STORM!

Seems like COL. Is possibly going to take Action... if they do i think they are slimy!
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Zyori.tv
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States770 Posts
September 19 2011 18:45 GMT
#342
On September 20 2011 03:42 gullberg wrote:
Mill makes it sound like coL roofied Stephano and forced him to sign a contract. How can e-sports grow if people can back out of teams after signing a contract (which is kind of the point of making him sign a contract anyways?). It's a shitty situation that coL can't actually force Stephano to play for them, however signing a contract must hold some value? Stupid decision that will only hurt his image.


You're exactly right. It sucks that complexity is ultimately going to end up without the player, and they are going to have to pay for legal counsel to deal with the situation. The contract definitely holds some value, but I'm sure they pursuing based on principle. I wouldnt be surprised if it costs coL more than the contract is actually worth.
http://www.zyori.tv Twitter: @ZyoriTV
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
September 19 2011 18:45 GMT
#343
!! :D Was so sad when I heard he was going to play for complexity, stephano will always be a millenium player to me! :D Hopefully he can stay without to much drama.. ^^
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PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
September 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#344
It's baffling to see people defend Stephano here while attacking Complexity. He's an adult and should be treated as one, first off. He willingly signed a contract after talking to Complexity for some time. Perhaps he got cold feet, perhaps his old team pressured him, perhaps they offered a last minute pay increase, whatever. The fact remains that as an adult, professional player he should be held to a standard. No real sport would stand for a player signing a contract with one team then breaking the contract a day later.

Enough of this "he's young!" nonsense. That wouldn't hold up in any court as a defense for an 18 year old man. There should be a line between being a fan of a player and being a slappy
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
Togana
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom74 Posts
September 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#345
D
E
K
C
U
F

That's fucked up...

User was warned for this post
Merfyn
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom945 Posts
September 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#346
On September 20 2011 03:43 Crigget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:39 N1k0 wrote:
So, we blame EG right?


Makes sense.


yeah pretty much, its only a matter of time any way till EG steps in and reveals that they are the Masterminds behind it all and that Stephano is joining them. This whole thing was just a Announcment of an Announcement
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.."
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
September 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#347
On September 20 2011 03:42 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:40 Choboo wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:34 Naniwa wrote:
funny that people even discuss whether its right or wrong by stephano, he broke the contract to get more money from millenium. its that simple ; )

Are you saying it's ok? ^____^

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry had to


Well, he is saying its normal. i think anyway.

It's a joke man, chill
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Queldur
Profile Joined September 2010
France26 Posts
September 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#348
An esport drama in a french tribunal ? The justice will just say "lolwut ?"
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
September 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#349
On September 20 2011 03:45 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:40 Grettin wrote:
I guess OP is worth updating, response from Jason Lake:


On September 20 2011 03:00 jlake02 wrote:
For Mr. Page to insinuate we improperly "disoriented" a young player is an outright lie. We have spent weeks negotiating with Stephano and countering offers made by Millennium. This was no quick pressure situation.

We will take a step back and analyze the situation but I hope Millennium honors the rule of contract law and does not disrespect it in eSports. Doing so would set a precedent that would undermine all we are collectively trying to accomplish.

We will evaluate our options but I do not see a way we can allow this blatant disrespect for the contractual process to go unanswered. We will be contacting legal counsel in France and investigating courses of action.


OMGGG!!! SHIT STORM!

Stop posting unless you have something interesting to say. Your last six posts have literally been only the words "shit storm", sometimes multiple times in the same post.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
September 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#350
I just hope that this shit storm doesn't hurt Stephano's play... he's streaming right now btw.
leperphilliac
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States399 Posts
September 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#351
Um, this can have some pretty nasty legal ramifications...
Holy_KR
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)43 Posts
September 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#352
On September 20 2011 03:39 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:29 Mordiford wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:22 meRz wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:18 Talin wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:16 Nerski wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:02 v1dom wrote:
On September 20 2011 02:59 wezzon wrote:
Signing with coL making Millenium give him a raise perhaps?
I'd consider this a smart move if that's how it went down.


Except you can't "sign" (a contract) with a team and then just take a better offer. This is what contracts are for. Following these developments with great interest.


Legally speaking I don't think if Complexity retains his contract that he can play anywhere not under them until this is sorted...or else comlpexity could legally sue him for any penny he earns playing for mellinium.


They wouldn't do either if they have any sense left in them. It certainly wouldn't help their image and popularity to hold a talented 18-year old player against his will, let alone sue him.

If he doesn't want to play for them, he doesn't want to play and that's that.


No that's not that. If he doesn't want to play for them he shouldn't have signed a contract to begin with. I'm 100% on coLs side on this one. If you ever want e-sport taken seriously, shit like this can't be allowed. There's no freaking point of having contracts to begin with if we allow things like this to happen.


meRz says it pretty well, if you want this game to taking seriously as a professional, organizations and players need to respect contracts. It sets a terrible precedent to let this slide.


I'm much more worried about the kind of arrangements where, in case of Complexity, it's now 2 players backed away just a few days after signing the contract.

I'm more than willing to give up this whole "professionalism of e-sports" than accept dealings that are obviously shady and dishonest for one reason or the other, in one way or another.

Obviously if it turns that Stephano changed his mind out of the blue or to get more money, I won't be on his side anymore and I'll sympathize with Complexity.

However, given what I've seen in SC2 so far, and a natural inclination to trust people rather than companies, I'm defaulting to being extremely suspicious about the team initiating the transfer until it's proven otherwise.


Complexity's first player who had contract problems was Destiny, however, he and Jason Lake had a reasonable and very well done separation. Destiny even said so himself that he and Jason Lake talked for a while and both agreed mutually. Stephano however, is a totally different case because there were no talks apparently no anything between him and coL on him going back to Millenium. If its true that he signed a legally bounding contract between him and Complexity, then he NEEDS by LAW to follow it, I like what Naniwa said, Stephano is trying to get more money out of all of this, but looks like its just blowing up in his face now.

Also if I could say one thing, I've followed Complexity and even worked with Jason Lake the CEO of coL several times, that man has more passion for eSports then even Tasteless and Artosis sometimes. He also has a character that will be as honest as it can be. I don't really agree with how a lot of this is turning out, but in this situation Complexity if what I'm told is right, is the victim here of a bratty and greedy punk.
Jesus wept
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
September 19 2011 18:47 GMT
#353
I can imagine what's his stream chat like now. xD
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 19 2011 18:47 GMT
#354
On September 20 2011 03:46 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:42 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:40 Choboo wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:34 Naniwa wrote:
funny that people even discuss whether its right or wrong by stephano, he broke the contract to get more money from millenium. its that simple ; )

Are you saying it's ok? ^____^

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry had to


Well, he is saying its normal. i think anyway.

It's a joke man, chill


...wat?
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julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
September 19 2011 18:47 GMT
#355
On September 20 2011 03:43 Crigget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:39 N1k0 wrote:
So, we blame EG right?


Makes sense.

Godammit EG strikes again.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Treva
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States535 Posts
September 19 2011 18:47 GMT
#356
What a mess, hope it gets sorted out with as little complications as possible.
Live it up.
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
September 19 2011 18:48 GMT
#357
usa!
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
September 19 2011 18:48 GMT
#358
Whoa this is messy...more and more news like this is popping up, hopefully a shitstorm doesn't come of this.
R.I.P. Nujabes ♫
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26002 Posts
September 19 2011 18:48 GMT
#359
I'm glad col is taking a stand. It was starting to look like contracts in SC2 were meaningless.
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Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
September 19 2011 18:48 GMT
#360
On September 20 2011 02:51 itsjustatank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 02:44 Jtom wrote:
The means by which to recruit Complexity Stephano was disorienting enough to influence our young player to a bad decision.


Can this be translated with more finesse? It's a critical part of the story but is pretty confusing in its current form.


Find me the original French text and I'll translate it for you
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