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Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103) Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
"The techniques used by Complexity to recruit Stephano were quite disorienting to influence our young player towards a bad decision." Now unless Complexity got him drunk or slipped him some roofie and then signed the contract with his hand when he was unconscious then this seems like an accusation that Complexity have misled Stephano. If you're going to make an accusation like that you really need some details to back your claim up. | ||
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Peitachi
Denmark8 Posts
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:37 zerker2strong wrote: he beated mma and puzzle in the ipl3 qualifier pretty gut edit: anyways he is streaming now  Wait that's seriously your argument. | ||
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hypnoxide
240 Posts
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JKira
Canada1002 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:33 CoR wrote: i really think americans go over the top when its about american players and teams your not world top elite in sc2 just third behind korea and europe ^^ but jaeh stupid move from stephano, perhaps cause his english is as bad as it is ? when he was in germany i nearly never saw him speak only frensh with tod etc so missunderstandings ? but if he sign ... I really think Europeans bash on Americans in SC2 too much needlessly. He means Complexity is kicking ass in terms of recent performances and their connection with a major proteam in Korea, both of which Millenium doesn't have. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:37 Hyperiok wrote: I think coL are going to come out worse from this, either by losing Stephano or by holding him on their team when he would prefer to be with a different team, which could affect his level of play and results. They aren't going to hold Stephano on coL. They have stated they have no intention of enforcing a contract against a players will. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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N1k0
Uruguay1075 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:29 Mordiford wrote: meRz says it pretty well, if you want this game to taking seriously as a professional, organizations and players need to respect contracts. It sets a terrible precedent to let this slide. I'm much more worried about the kind of arrangements where, in case of Complexity, it's now 2 players backed away just a few days after signing the contract. I'm more than willing to give up this whole "professionalism of e-sports" than accept dealings that are obviously shady and dishonest for one reason or the other, in one way or another. Obviously if it turns that Stephano changed his mind out of the blue or to get more money, I won't be on his side anymore and I'll sympathize with Complexity. However, given what I've seen in SC2 so far, and a natural inclination to trust people rather than companies, I'm defaulting to being extremely suspicious about the team initiating the transfer until it's proven otherwise. | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:36 Emporio wrote: It's funny cause I can't even tell if he approves or disapproves of the move. That is what happens when Nani replies to a teamliquid thread, responses shrouded in mystery! | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
And honestly, if Stephano doesn't want to be on Col for whatever reason, then I don't think Col should take him... he wouldn't exactly be doing his best in that situation, would he? They could probably get some money out of this, if he did indeed not get tricked into signing a contract though, so I don't see this dropping anytime soon unless one team decides to be the bigger man ;_; | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:00 jlake02 wrote: For Mr. Page to insinuate we improperly "disoriented" a young player is an outright lie. We have spent weeks negotiating with Stephano and countering offers made by Millennium. This was no quick pressure situation. We will take a step back and analyze the situation but I hope Millennium honors the rule of contract law and does not disrespect it in eSports. Doing so would set a precedent that would undermine all we are collectively trying to accomplish. We will evaluate our options but I do not see a way we can allow this blatant disrespect for the contractual process to go unanswered. We will be contacting legal counsel in France and investigating courses of action. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:34 Naniwa wrote: funny that people even discuss whether its right or wrong by stephano, he broke the contract to get more money from millenium. its that simple ; ) Are you saying it's ok? ^____^ + Show Spoiler + Sorry had to | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:39 N1k0 wrote: So, we blame EG right? Yeah I was going to say, somehow this is all EG and InControl's fault | ||
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WWfour
United Kingdom14 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:36 XRaDiiX wrote: LOL Awesome! I Agree..  The Linked Statement Says it all ================================= "Within the last hour Team Millennium announced that Stephano was remaining with their organization despite the fact he executed a legally binding contract with compLexity. We are extremely disappointed by this turn of events and are seeking more information while we evaluate our legal options with French counsel. By no means do we want a player who does not want to be part of our organization but we can simply not allow players and organizations to completely disrespect the legal contractual process that ensures stability in our evolving sport. " ================================= Col is pissed...  Just because Col are pissed off doesn't mean they're slimy. They're angry because a valuable player has left despite being in contract. Let's not jump on a bandwagon yet, we need to see what Col's French legal division say first. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:39 N1k0 wrote: So, we blame EG right? Just wait till next week when we get the massive EGPolt thread and then rumors coming out that the Prime coach is unhappy that Polt was talking to them before he left. Then we can blame them. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:38 Eufouria wrote: I don't like this bit "The techniques used by Complexity to recruit Stephano were quite disorienting to influence our young player towards a bad decision." Now unless Complexity got him drunk or slipped him some roofie and then signed the contract with his hand when he was unconscious then this seems like an accusation that Complexity have misled Stephano. If you're going to make an accusation like that you really need some details to back your claim up. This is what irks me the most. There was a negotiation phase where both sides got to present offers and counteroffers. How did Complexity disorient or confuse him? It's one thing for Millennium to sign an already-contracted player, its completely another to do that and insult the organization as well. Completely unnecessary escalation. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:39 Talin wrote: I'm much more worried about the kind of arrangements where, in case of Complexity, it's now 2 players backed away just a few days after signing the contract. I'm more than willing to give up this whole "professionalism of e-sports" than accept dealings that are obviously shady and dishonest for one reason or the other. Obviously if it turns that Stephano changed his mind out of the blue or to get more money, I won't be on his side anymore. However, given what I've seen in SC2 so far, I'm defaulting to being extremely suspicious about the team initiating the transfer until it's proven otherwise. uh destiny's one wasn't a case of bad contract. It has been repeatedly stated that Destiny feels that he doesn't want to be really tied down and having to behave professionally because he represents sponsors. So he asked to be out of the contract and coL graciously let him go. | ||
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Jinivus
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