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Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103)

Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
September 19 2011 18:36 GMT
#281
On September 20 2011 03:34 Naniwa wrote:
funny that people even discuss whether its right or wrong by stephano, he broke the contract to get more money from millenium. its that simple ; )

Emotion supercedes reason. That is what is going on here. Stephano/Mill fans can't seem to realize they (collectively) did something wrong.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
September 19 2011 18:36 GMT
#282
On September 20 2011 03:32 Antithesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 02:44 Jtom wrote:
After a long discussion, Stephano understood his error and decided to definitely stay with Millenium for the next 12 months

I extremely dislike this phrasing.


Haha I know I felt the same uneasiness. It sounds like when cops interrogate someone without a lawyer or real consent and force out confessions.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
September 19 2011 18:36 GMT
#283
Hopefully this doesn't get out of hand... I like both Millennium and Complexity.
/commercial
xajukx
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada325 Posts
September 19 2011 18:36 GMT
#284
Stephano is a kid, he needs an agent or fellow teammate to walk him through these decisions before making them.
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#285
On September 20 2011 03:34 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:32 zimz wrote:
no contracts are binding if you are under 18 in America(unless his parents signed), and since col is an American company they wont and can't do squat.


stephano is 18.

oh. someone told me he was born in 1994.
zimz
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#286
On September 20 2011 03:36 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:32 CatNzHat wrote:
Bad new Complexity... you're just as much of a slimy business as you appear


LOL Awesome! I Agree..



The Linked Statement Says it all

=================================
"Within the last hour Team Millennium announced that Stephano was remaining with their organization despite the fact he executed a legally binding contract with compLexity. We are extremely disappointed by this turn of events and are seeking more information while we evaluate our legal options with French counsel. By no means do we want a player who does not want to be part of our organization but we can simply not allow players and organizations to completely disrespect the legal contractual process that ensures stability in our evolving sport. "
=================================

Col is pissed... :O


Legal matters are serious. Not slimy.
twitch.tv/medrea
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:37:16
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#287
I don't get it...Stephano wanted to sign with Complexity, but now he decides to stay. But there's a contract with Complexity already? Wat.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Hyperiok
Profile Joined August 2011
England20 Posts
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#288
I think coL are going to come out worse from this, either by losing Stephano or by holding him on their team when he would prefer to be with a different team, which could affect his level of play and results.
zerker2strong
Profile Joined May 2011
775 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:37:49
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#289
On September 20 2011 03:31 havox_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:28 zerker2strong wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:26 havox_ wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:17 tofubeans wrote:
Update:

Within the last hour Team Millennium announced that Stephano was remaining with their organization despite the fact he executed a legally binding contract with compLexity. We are extremely disappointed by this turn of events are are seeking more information while we evaluate our legal options with French counsel. By no means do we want a player who does not want to be part of our organization but we can not simply allow players and organizations to completely disrespect the legal contractual process that ensures stability in our evolving sport.


http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3126/#

He did sign a contract.

ifthis is really true, i actually hope that he a) gets sued or b) at least will be banned from leagues =)
sounds harsh, but how else to let kids grow up? Do we want this to be a real, pro sport or not?


ye lets ban the best foreign player lol good thinking

lol, thats your argument?
"what the hell, he is the best foreigner (lol, he isnt btw^^), he is allowed to do what ever he wants... who cares about contracts anyways?" dude, sorry, but thats retarded^^


he beated mma and puzzle in the ipl3 qualifier pretty gut

edit: anyways he is streaming now
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#290
oh geez he just picked the worst time to start streaming
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gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#291
On September 20 2011 03:32 CatNzHat wrote:
Bad new Complexity... you're just as much of a slimy business as you appear


I would seriously be careful about your wording here. That is completely uncalled for. As it stands, Millennium AND compLexity are being unprofessional. If you sign a contract, you sign a contract. You can't bitch and moan about it later. You have eyes - you can read the language on it. But I will not insult either organization until the final press releases are out. It is fully valid to call this event as unprofessional, though.

There will be ZERO growth in "professional e-Sports" if shit like this keeps occurring.
C r u m b l i n g
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#292
If he did sign a contract, then he should stay in coL until expiration or resiliation of said contract. eSport is meant to become professional, but it seem in France that players do not understand what it means to be professional. I saw so many shitstorms in the CS community about new team who disbanded litteraly less than 3 days after putting on a new site with promises and sponsors.

I do not know if Stephano was misguided into signing, but I don't understand the decision of Millenium to keep him nonetheless because if it goes to a court, Stephano has signed a god damned contract and he's therefore engaged. But the best way to settle this is obviously to have the 3 parts (coL, Mil and Stephano) discuss the matter.
GIMME ALL THE BELGIAN WAFFLES I CAN GET FOR THIS MONEY !!!!!! BELGIAN WAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLEEEEEEEEES
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#293
On September 20 2011 03:32 CatNzHat wrote:
Bad new Complexity... you're just as much of a slimy business as you appear


How are they slimy? He signed a contract. They didn't point a gun at his head and force him to sign a contract that would pay him loads of cash and give him the chance to go to Korea. Shit, if Complexity wants to give me a contract to go write for them while they pay me loads of cash, sign me up. Put a gun to my head.

Complexity saw a top foreigner who has the potential to be the breakout star of 2012 like Huk was in 2011 with Liquid. He has beaten top Koreans. He has the potential to be a top player in the world. I don't see how they're slimy for wanting him and trying to negotiate a deal.

If we disregard him signing a contract, then all bets are off and SC2 will never be an e-sport.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#294
On September 20 2011 03:36 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:34 Naniwa wrote:
funny that people even discuss whether its right or wrong by stephano, he broke the contract to get more money from millenium. its that simple ; )


Yeah man like a said awhile ago. Patriots threatened to move to Connecticut but 30 minutes before the signing was final they bailed out because all they wanted was a shiny new stadium.

I feel like I need to say something other than bold your words or I would get banned for no content.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:46:44
September 19 2011 18:37 GMT
#295
Wow if this gets to court. I think Stephano made some decisions too fast, this is probably more sad for Stephano then for coL or Millenium.

As for my personal reaction to e-drama:
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Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
September 19 2011 18:38 GMT
#296
He has Millenium logo on his stream :O
Professional tech investor, part time DotA scrub | Follow @AllMeasures on Twitter
Madest
Profile Joined June 2010
Ukraine179 Posts
September 19 2011 18:38 GMT
#297
Regardless of legal issues and drama that everybody loves so much I just think that it's better for the kid to stay with stronger team.
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
September 19 2011 18:38 GMT
#298
I can see how this all went down:

CoL: Hey Steph, you can get xxx dollars a month here.
Stephano: Cool!
Millenium: Hey Steph, you can get xxx + 100 dollars a month HERE.
Stephano: But I already signed a contract..
Millenium: pfft.
CoL: We ain't gonna give him back you know!
If you never try you never know. Sase - Mana - TLO - WhiteRa - Naniwa - Sheth - HuK
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
September 19 2011 18:38 GMT
#299
Does anyone else think it's pathetic the way Millenium worded their announcement? Sounds like they are pandering to the fans to blame Complexity for the mess. Fuck Mill.
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
September 19 2011 18:38 GMT
#300
A transfer fee seems to be the likely option if the information / assumptions given so far are correct. EG paid a transfer fee to get DeMuslim which was under contract under mTw.

Unless Millenium and coL are prepared to get dirty.
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