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PDizzle
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark1754 Posts
September 19 2011 18:31 GMT
#241
gotta love dat drama
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45343 Posts
September 19 2011 18:31 GMT
#242
What the...?

Not only is this apparently illegal (since he supposedly signed on with Complexity already), but why the heck would he want to stay with Millenium? Complexity is totally kicking ass right now...

Shit just got real.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
September 19 2011 18:31 GMT
#243
On September 20 2011 02:44 Jtom wrote:
UPDATE : http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3126/#

Apparently Stephano did sign a contract with Complexity and they won't let him go without a fight.


The smacketh, hath been laid down?


http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
September 19 2011 18:31 GMT
#244
On September 20 2011 03:28 Emporio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:26 Talin wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:21 Jinivus wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:18 Talin wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:16 Nerski wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:02 v1dom wrote:
On September 20 2011 02:59 wezzon wrote:
Signing with coL making Millenium give him a raise perhaps?
I'd consider this a smart move if that's how it went down.


Except you can't "sign" (a contract) with a team and then just take a better offer. This is what contracts are for. Following these developments with great interest.


Legally speaking I don't think if Complexity retains his contract that he can play anywhere not under them until this is sorted...or else comlpexity could legally sue him for any penny he earns playing for mellinium.


They wouldn't do either if they have any sense left in them. It certainly wouldn't help their image and popularity to hold a talented 18-year old player against his will, let alone sue him.

If he doesn't want to play for them, he doesn't want to play and that's that.

He should've though of that before he signed it...I would be very disappointed if no penalty or SOMETHING happens as a result...otherwise what kind of fucking joke is even signing a contract when it's meaningless.


He should've but he didn't, or he was misguided and didn't think it through or read it through. It doesn't matter now.

If they really wanted the player, Complexity should have made sure all the terms were clear to him, that he's happy to join them and play for them, and that he has had enough time to really think about it instead of rushing to get a signature on paper.

If this is true and they try to force anything, it will backfire hard (as in beyond EG level of backfire).

How do you know he was misguided, other than Mill saying he was? For all you know, Stephano knew exactly what he was getting into, signed the contract, then forced Mill to offer twice the money, then broke contract to sign with them.

I'm not saying that that's what happened. But there's just as much evidence for either thing happening, outside of hearsay.


I should have prefaced that post with "if it's true", yeah.

However, the strategy of forcing Millenium to pay more after he signed a contract is wacky anyway. He could have done that before actually signing the contract and be in the clear legally, and if he actually tried it after signing a contract with CoL I'm pretty sure Millenium wouldn't be dealing with such a player or getting involved in this mess because of him (he can just go back to coL then!).

Frankly, Stephano doesn't strike me as that kind of person.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
September 19 2011 18:31 GMT
#245
i also think main reason no one take millenium as a "real big team" is besides money or whatever they have, their page is in FRENSH so nearly no one outside of frensh visit it

jaeh nice they have alot viewers but 90% of the rest of europe dont speak this language fluent ^^
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
September 19 2011 18:32 GMT
#246
On September 20 2011 03:25 lulzury wrote:
Does this mean he will no longer be at MLG Orlando?


The longer this goes on, the less likely it will be. The team he eventually goes with will need to be certain the player is theirs before booking anything, and it needs to be done well in advance (more than a week I'd speculate).

MurMiLLo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States260 Posts
September 19 2011 18:32 GMT
#247
stephano f'd up bigtime
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1235 Posts
September 19 2011 18:32 GMT
#248
On September 20 2011 02:44 Jtom wrote:
After a long discussion, Stephano understood his error and decided to definitely stay with Millenium for the next 12 months

I extremely dislike this phrasing.
Mutation complete.
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:39:15
September 19 2011 18:32 GMT
#249
no contracts are binding if you are under 18 in America(unless his parents signed), and since col is an American company they wont and can't do squat.

EDIT: someone told me he was born in 1994. guess not.
zimz
CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
September 19 2011 18:32 GMT
#250
Bad new Complexity... you're just as much of a slimy business as you appear
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
September 19 2011 18:33 GMT
#251
Who spilled this esports drama everywhere? It's gonna takes days to clean this up. Tsk.
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
September 19 2011 18:33 GMT
#252
Apparently Stephano did sign a contract with Complexity and they won't let him go without a fight.


And they shouldn't, Stephano fucked up.
Millenium is now whining to the community and trying to pin the blame on complexity.
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
September 19 2011 18:33 GMT
#253
On September 20 2011 03:32 CatNzHat wrote:
Bad new Complexity... you're just as much of a slimy business as you appear


Elaborate with massive amounts of provable details.
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Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:34:17
September 19 2011 18:33 GMT
#254
On September 20 2011 03:32 CatNzHat wrote:
Bad new Complexity... you're just as much of a slimy business as you appear


Show your math
IMO Col is the victim here
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:34:37
September 19 2011 18:33 GMT
#255
On September 20 2011 03:30 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:28 Xeris wrote:
I guess he should join Fnatic . #_#

If coL/Mill can't agree, Fnatic is only option <3

Quick, Xeris, now is your chance! Pounce and grab him while Mill/coL fight


Need a team for your amazingly talented zerg player?

Why not zoidberg fnatic?

or (and i'm sorry if this is mean)

If you don't give a shit what team a player is on, put him on fnatic (not meant insultingly, just found the correlation with Gretorp funny)
memes are a dish best served dank
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
September 19 2011 18:33 GMT
#256
On September 20 2011 03:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What the...?

Not only is this apparently illegal (since he supposedly signed on with Complexity already), but why the heck would he want to stay with Millenium? Complexity is totally kicking ass right now...

Shit just got real.


i really think americans go over the top when its about american players and teams
your not world top elite in sc2 just third behind korea and europe ^^

but jaeh stupid move from stephano, perhaps cause his english is as bad as it is ? when he was in germany i nearly never saw him speak only frensh with tod etc so missunderstandings ? but if he sign ...
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
September 19 2011 18:33 GMT
#257
Funny if after all this drama he just does terrible...

But seriously? I don't think either side knows whats going on this could take a while to smooth over. Sounds like a very confused person changing his mind as he is swayed from each side as they each talk to him....
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
September 19 2011 18:33 GMT
#258
On September 20 2011 03:32 CatNzHat wrote:
Bad new Complexity... you're just as much of a slimy business as you appear

No they aren't, do your research before accusing them of what they didn't do.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Jinivus
Profile Joined July 2011
747 Posts
September 19 2011 18:33 GMT
#259
On September 20 2011 03:32 CatNzHat wrote:
Bad new Complexity... you're just as much of a slimy business as you appear

What are you talking about? Major douche move by Stephano...
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:35:22
September 19 2011 18:33 GMT
#260
We had a similar issue last year with vVv Titan. We brought a lawyer on board to discuss the validity of Complexity's contracts. You can listen to that show right HERE.

I recommend anyone interested take a listen. Here is a brief synopsis of the show:

"When questions arise about contracts and competitive gaming, The Loser's Bracket turns to attorney Graham Claybrook for advice. Starcraft player vVv Titan explains his recent contractual dealings with another gaming organization (we will leave them anonoymous to protect the guilty) and Graham helps us to understand our legal rights as well as how players can protect themselves. "

The Loser's Bracket Podcast
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