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Chloroplaste
France281 Posts
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
1) Col - Seems like they have done nothing wrong, and they have the last word. 2) MillenColin_Stephano - Don't sign contracts you do not aim to fulfil. 3) Mill - Made outrageous accusations and disappeared. 4) gulbanana - You're killing bananas. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:05 Djzapz wrote: Obtain (something) by force, threats, or other unfair means. Use of the word "extort" was perfectly correct. Which basically gives the answer: no.. not all of them. Luckily I'm French Canadian and I can teach you a thing or two. You think taking legal action in regards to a breach of contract is extortion? What the fuck? | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
-The contract isn't legal so this problem will be over quick. -The contract is legal, if this is the case Millenium and Stephano have a big problem, since legally Stephano has to play for Complexity. This situation can only be fixed by Millenium compensating Complexity financially because legally it would be a 'player-transfer'. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:02 Agathon wrote: In fact i'm pretty objective. I know that i dont know a fuckin thing of that miss, i wasn't there, i didn't read contracts, i didn't take any part into discution. Like you. You and me should tell the same thing : I dont kown the fuck what append ! I just try to open your eyes on your...blindness... I appreciate your objectiveness, but please, opening that guys eyes on his "blindness" of what? Thinking coL did this as a manipulative motive? Rofl. | ||
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dSoda
United States122 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:02 Chloroplaste wrote: coL lineup is sligthly behind Millenium team Come on, Machine, Drewbie? They have some players who are not bad but seriously? Well granted Drewbie isn't great (and as mentioned Machine is on EG). But Col has a partnership with MVP, so people like DRG and Genius, Keen, ect are available for training when you go to Korea (which is where Drewbie currently is), and technically all those high foreigner finished DRG's been putting up have been *for* Complexity. | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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HotShizz
France710 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:59 Loxley wrote: There we have it. Page 105, Godwins law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law Nice, although later than i expected. Holy poo. I had no clue such a thing existed. I learned something new today. LOLOLOLOLOLZ Thanks for that. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:08 McDrew wrote: Its not like stephano was actually paid any money by complexity yet. (at least i doubt it) Sure complexity can try to sue for 1 day's worth of damages, but come on people. If they're serious about "legitimizing e-sports" then a 3 am contract is definitely not that. Like it has been said before, he did not have to sign the contract at 3:00 a.m. it was his choice to sign it whenever he wanted. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:08 Sworn wrote: Honestly I don't know what to believe with everything that coL. has been involved in lately it makes me really wonder how they conduct themselves. They always issue a statement that makes them to be the good guys but if they are always so in the right why do they attract so many controversies. w/e my thoughts. cant blame the good guys for being the good guys.... | ||
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Vendor
Canada115 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:08 Sworn wrote: Honestly I don't know what to believe with everything that coL. has been involved in lately it makes me really wonder how they conduct themselves. They always issue a statement that makes them to be the good guys but if they are always so in the right why do they attract so many controversies. w/e my thoughts. And what have those things been exactly? | ||
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Styvorama
United States7 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:08 McDrew wrote: Its not like stephano was actually paid any money by complexity yet. (at least i doubt it) Sure complexity can try to sue for 1 day's worth of damages, but come on people. If they're serious about "legitimizing e-sports" then a 3 am contract is definitely not that. Well then what do you suggest as a correct time to sign contracts considering that this is a world wide industry. Its gotta be late at night/early in the morning for someone, or the will never be able to talk, barter, or come to any agreement. If you think the time has anything to do with it then you are a fool. How else do you think international business agreements are made? EDIT: someone, not something | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10849 Posts
Well... It's probably more drama than anything else anyway... I mean.. There have to be some true professionals on these teams?... | ||
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Vandalman
United States66 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:08 McDrew wrote: Its not like stephano was actually paid any money by complexity yet. (at least i doubt it) Sure complexity can try to sue for 1 day's worth of damages, but come on people. If they're serious about "legitimizing e-sports" then a 3 am contract is definitely not that. People sign contracts whenever they want. Doesn't matter the time.....what are you talking about! | ||
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TLUtv
Canada18 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:00 Avs wrote: Hey! Don't hate Americans for being Americans. That's totally the wrong way of approaching these different countries. So is saying you hate most countries including your own, eh? Haha, That obviously wasn't my intention, I don't really hate anyone, I could care less, it doesn't involve me personally, All I was trying to state that if you're hating a specific country then you're hating everyone in it, I stated I hated every country, therefore I would hate everyone, Though I do not, I'm just trying to say that it's Specific people and not the acts of an entire country, If this were war, France and America would be nuking the shit out of eachother while every other country sits back and laughs because the retards are arguing over an sc2 player, The endgame of this entire thread is essentially, Don't break contracts or the majority of the gaming community will look at you as scum, because that is what you are, You're breaching an agreement you came too, You're disrespecting every party involved with the situation, The fact that Millennium even allowed stephano to come back let alone probably begging him, is surprising, He did something without speaking to his managers or even his own lawyers, that's true irresponsibility, and I don't want to be a fan of a player who doesn't care about the people he effects in a direct sense. For example, HuK was obviously offered a great sum by EG, but of course, because he is legally obliged to stay with Liquid until the remainder of his contract, which he did, and look how smoothly that went over, Liquid and EG both somehow became even more loved, all because they cooperated versus playing the deceit game. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:07 Mordiford wrote: You think taking legal action in regards to a breach of contract is extortion? What the fuck? Oh all the time, absolutely. There was this disabled lawyer in a wheelchair and he would go from small town to small town, suing businesses which weren't "accessible" (no ramps). From my understanding, many of them settled for around $2000 or something. He made quite a bit of money suing every business in a small town! That's extortion. Legal extortion, of course, but that's because the law is very much imperfect. It's even pretty much garbage =). This isn't a breach of contract mind you, obviously, but breaching a brand new international contract for a minor and threatening to sue? Yeah, it's not BS. | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:08 McDrew wrote: Its not like stephano was actually paid any money by complexity yet. (at least i doubt it) Sure complexity can try to sue for 1 day's worth of damages, but come on people. If they're serious about "legitimizing e-sports" then a 3 am contract is definitely not that. One could claim that there are intangible damages to the Complexity's reputation. Also the contract may have had prescribed remedies should Stephano or Millenium have broken the terms. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:05 Paladia wrote: As a law student, there are a couple of things I would like to ask Complexity. 1. Why is this not set to go under a court of arbitration? Else, it could take years to get it sorted legally. A counrt of arbitration is how it is done in sports. It would also keep it hidden and as such we wouldn't even know about this dispute. 2. Why do we even know about this? Why are you posting legal updates on Twitter? Why are you posting legal threats on the internet? 3. You have not yet suffered any economical damage, and judging from other esports contract, it isn't praxis to add additional breach fees. As such, sueing would be entirely pointless and gain no one nothing regardless of who won. The only winners would be your legal counsel. So why would you? 4. As you likely know, sueing someone internationally isn't viable unless you have major financial muscles, so why are you even spending time on this regardless of the other points? Both Millennium and Complexity stand out as complete amateurs in this case. Legal threats on the internet, public polemic, no court of arbitration and childish emotional talks of sueing over something that would gain one nothing. If they want to stand out as professionals, this is hardly the way to go about it. The thing one realizes from this is that esports could use its own court of arbitration at some point. It is basically a few (legally trained) people that all parties agree upon will decide any breaches or disputes. As such, a verdict is very fast, cannot be appealed, is hidden from the public and is often cheaper (due to its speed). It is how it is done in sports, they have their own court of arbitration. It isn't related to what KeSPA is doing and has nothing to do with the game or management in itself, it just settles legal disputes. Of course, one can use any ordinary court of arbitration for that (which they should have done in this case), it is just that it would be a bit expensive and it may not be very suited to solve disputes directly related to esports or actual gameplay. Seeing as you are a law student and Jason Lake sold his profitable law firm in order to pursue Esports and he seems to believe he has several legal options and the posting on twitter or reddit is not detrimental to his case, I am going to believe he knows what he is doing. | ||
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