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Godwins law is stupid. Given enough time in any online discussion, someone will inevitably make every comment possible. Its simply an extension of the "thousand monkeys on a thousand typewriters" theory.
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I would personally like to see western esports kespa up to avoid this kind of shenaniganry. Ban stephano from all non-French tournaments until his contract with Millenium expires. Make an example out of this guy and keep the rest in line. We need to channel our inner Hobbes in this circumstance.
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On September 20 2011 07:59 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:54 Vandalman wrote:On September 20 2011 07:50 Capook wrote:
It seems pretty obvious that Millenium (and Stephano) are in the wrong here. All this loyalty before law garbage. Reminds me of korea (in a bad way). Agreed! Not sure about the legal side, but just a bad move on mil. and Stephanos part. Lost many fans because of this situation. Why should you hate on Stephano all of a sudden? He might not be sure of what he wants to do, he might make mystakes. People make mystakes sometimes, if you're really a fan you have to wait for it to resolve and know everything before forging an opinion anyway.If you're not a fan after that it's more ok. It's still sad that you are no longer his fan because of things not sc2 game related, but it's at least informed opinion. If you're not a fan right now before knowing everything, then you where probably not a fan before anyway.
He had 18 day to not make a "mistake"
You cant just say its ok its a mistake...oh i killed a guy...whoops it was just a mistake.
This is begging to be a terrible problem for starcraft 2 and I will not support people who continue to hurt the progression of this sport.
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On September 20 2011 07:59 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:58 BuddhaMonk wrote:On September 20 2011 07:51 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:42 Mordiford wrote:On September 20 2011 06:35 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 Myles wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? I live in the 21st century where contracts (should) mean something. So no, I don't think if you sign a contract saying you'll be with a company for x days/months/years/whatever, that you can quit said contract whenever you want. Not with out consequences at least. barbaric. anybody should be able to quit their job, with a given notice period. as is the case in basically every country in the world. i hear some u.s. states don't actually allow that, which is insane - you can really sign your life away for X months or years without a chance to go back on it? surely not. How the fuck is it barbaric? It's absolutely civilized, you agree to something, you go through with it. You change your mind, you both discuss it and if the person you agreed to it with is alright with it, they let you off. If you're of age and not mentally handicapped, you're expected to have the ability to judge whether or not you want to commit to something. We've seen a mutual agreement to be released from a contract in the case of Destiny, in this case however, Mil and Stephano basically went behind Complexity's back and threw them under the bus. At this point, they have to take a stand to make sure that this shit isn't the norm. If you want this game and this community to forever be a bunch of kids playing some games for a bit of money, then it's fine, they should let it slide and let kids do whatever they want. But that's massively detrimental for eSports as a legitimate industry and sport. judgement can be wrong. there are absolutely situations where it's crucial that workers have the right to leave an onerous job; consider someone who starts doing mining, or other hard physical labour, then finds that they're unable to hack it. or consider someone who starts getting sexually harassed in their workplace but is unable to prove it. also, the labour market wouldn't work if people weren't allowed to quit jobs, since there would be no pool of labour! See this is the part where any argument you may have once had loses all credibility. Next you'll be comparing the coL work environment to Nazi concentration camps. There we have it. Page 105, Godwins law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_lawShow nested quote +Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis. Nice, although later than i expected.
Actually, if you read his post, he's saying that the next thing the person he quoted (who is now banned) will do is compare something to Nazis. He himself was not, in fact, comparing anything to Nazis.
At any rate, now that that guy is gone, maybe the thread will slow down a bit. I've been waiting for some official statement from Millenium, but they don't seem to care, which is just fueling the circle jerk of misinformation.
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On September 20 2011 07:57 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:55 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 07:54 Vandalman wrote:On September 20 2011 07:50 Capook wrote:
It seems pretty obvious that Millenium (and Stephano) are in the wrong here. All this loyalty before law garbage. Reminds me of korea (in a bad way). Agreed! Not sure about the legal side, but just a bad move on mil. and Stephanos part. Lost many fans because of this situation. Or a great manipulation move from CoL  was gonna respond, but then i saw location: France, so obvious bias
In fact i'm pretty objective. I know that i dont know a fuckin thing of that miss, i wasn't there, i didn't read contracts, i didn't take any part into discution.
Like you didn't.
You and me should tell the same thing : I dont kown the fuck what append !
I just try to open your eyes on your...blindess...
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On September 20 2011 07:57 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:55 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 07:54 Vandalman wrote:On September 20 2011 07:50 Capook wrote:
It seems pretty obvious that Millenium (and Stephano) are in the wrong here. All this loyalty before law garbage. Reminds me of korea (in a bad way). Agreed! Not sure about the legal side, but just a bad move on mil. and Stephanos part. Lost many fans because of this situation. Or a great manipulation move from CoL was gonna respond, but then i saw location: France, so obvious bias
In fact i'm pretty objective. I know that i dont know a fuckin thing of that miss, i wasn't there, i didn't read contracts, i didn't take any part into discution.
Like you.
You and me should tell the same thing : I dont kown the fuck what append !
I just try to open your eyes on your...blindness...
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On September 20 2011 07:39 Chloroplaste wrote: + Show Spoiler +
Stop Flame on Millenium guys :
Millenium said they will send him on all big tournaments all other the world where he can be,
There WILL BE Stephano on MLG, IPL etc...
They always said they WILL SEND Stephano to KOREA if he wants to train 1or2monthmax or specially if he won a GSL spot !
They also announce about their future Gaming house in Marseille that they have maybe found one but they are looking for answer about the connection and more, and it is a 400m² gaming house !
It will be open to players of other teams to train together and they may do a lan like Homestory Cup =)
Millenium is doing a lot to develop Esport in France and in general,
They develop cup with their sponsor with top EU players and will develop bigger lans tournament in future
(like that one MSI Pro Cup #2 )
Millenium and Stephano FIGHTING !!!
Can someone explain to what 400m² gaming house means? Anyways, did Millenium post all these new efforts somewhere? What pisses a lot of people off isnt this whole legal thing, its the fact that Stephano had a chance to do something great with coL, and then he didnt have that chance anymore. And people don't know if Mill can offer Stephano that chance since they are less organized abroad.
sry, 400 m² = 0,1 Acre = 0,4 Rood = 15,81 Square rod = 478,4 Square yard (linktoconvert)
What chance are you talking about with coL?
coL lineup is sligthly behind Millenium team
Come on, Machine, Drewbie? They have some players who are not bad but seriously?
Millenium will send Stephano everywhere he wants, they have quite a lot of money too!
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If he had issues with the contract or was considering staying with Millennium then it's simple, don't sign anything. Legal action or what ever aside it shows that the person's word is worthless (not including an actual real contract/piece of paper stating intent).
Also another comment from awhile back about taking issue with the statement that he wasn't going to be getting paid near the top (HuK). Just because he isn't at the supposed top doesn't mean he wasn't near the top.
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On September 20 2011 07:59 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:58 BuddhaMonk wrote:On September 20 2011 07:51 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:42 Mordiford wrote:On September 20 2011 06:35 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 Myles wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? I live in the 21st century where contracts (should) mean something. So no, I don't think if you sign a contract saying you'll be with a company for x days/months/years/whatever, that you can quit said contract whenever you want. Not with out consequences at least. barbaric. anybody should be able to quit their job, with a given notice period. as is the case in basically every country in the world. i hear some u.s. states don't actually allow that, which is insane - you can really sign your life away for X months or years without a chance to go back on it? surely not. How the fuck is it barbaric? It's absolutely civilized, you agree to something, you go through with it. You change your mind, you both discuss it and if the person you agreed to it with is alright with it, they let you off. If you're of age and not mentally handicapped, you're expected to have the ability to judge whether or not you want to commit to something. We've seen a mutual agreement to be released from a contract in the case of Destiny, in this case however, Mil and Stephano basically went behind Complexity's back and threw them under the bus. At this point, they have to take a stand to make sure that this shit isn't the norm. If you want this game and this community to forever be a bunch of kids playing some games for a bit of money, then it's fine, they should let it slide and let kids do whatever they want. But that's massively detrimental for eSports as a legitimate industry and sport. judgement can be wrong. there are absolutely situations where it's crucial that workers have the right to leave an onerous job; consider someone who starts doing mining, or other hard physical labour, then finds that they're unable to hack it. or consider someone who starts getting sexually harassed in their workplace but is unable to prove it. also, the labour market wouldn't work if people weren't allowed to quit jobs, since there would be no pool of labour! See this is the part where any argument you may have once had loses all credibility. Next you'll be comparing the coL work environment to Nazi concentration camps. There we have it. Page 105, Godwins law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_lawShow nested quote +Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis. Nice, although later than i expected.
hahahah this is actually true. someone ALWAYS refers to hitler if an argument goes on
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On September 20 2011 07:55 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:54 Vandalman wrote:On September 20 2011 07:50 Capook wrote:
It seems pretty obvious that Millenium (and Stephano) are in the wrong here. All this loyalty before law garbage. Reminds me of korea (in a bad way). Agreed! Not sure about the legal side, but just a bad move on mil. and Stephanos part. Lost many fans because of this situation. Or a great manipulation move from CoL
NOTHING is pointing towards that though. If Millenium had presented anything that did, there wouldn't be this big an upset.
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On September 20 2011 08:02 Chloroplaste wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:39 Chloroplaste wrote: + Show Spoiler +
Stop Flame on Millenium guys :
Millenium said they will send him on all big tournaments all other the world where he can be,
There WILL BE Stephano on MLG, IPL etc...
They always said they WILL SEND Stephano to KOREA if he wants to train 1or2monthmax or specially if he won a GSL spot !
They also announce about their future Gaming house in Marseille that they have maybe found one but they are looking for answer about the connection and more, and it is a 400m² gaming house !
It will be open to players of other teams to train together and they may do a lan like Homestory Cup =)
Millenium is doing a lot to develop Esport in France and in general,
They develop cup with their sponsor with top EU players and will develop bigger lans tournament in future
(like that one MSI Pro Cup #2 )
Millenium and Stephano FIGHTING !!!
Can someone explain to what 400m² gaming house means? Anyways, did Millenium post all these new efforts somewhere? What pisses a lot of people off isnt this whole legal thing, its the fact that Stephano had a chance to do something great with coL, and then he didnt have that chance anymore. And people don't know if Mill can offer Stephano that chance since they are less organized abroad. sry, 400 m² = 0,1 Acre = 0,4 Rood = 15,81 Square rod = 478,4 Square yard (linktoconvert)What chance are you talking about with coL? coL lineup is sligthly behind Millenium team Come on, Machine, Drewbie? They have some players who are not bad but seriously? Millenium will send Stephano everywhere he wants, they have quite a lot of money too!
Machine is not on the compLexity roster. I don't know where you pulled that from...
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On September 20 2011 07:48 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:42 Prplppleatr wrote:
Not to hate on the french, but...
Their French...what did you expect...lol this is hilarious for the simple fact that they are french..
...well i guess I am hating on the french, but FFS people when you do shit like this, how can you wonder why other parts of the world just shake their head and look away (not that were any better..but)
i mean signing a contract; rescinding and not honoring that contract with claim that you thought it was a bad move, then singing a contract with out an expiration date...no offense stephano but get a full-time attorney if you are that clueless and can not see the utter stupidity in that Hey shut up, dont go fucking out and calling the french people idiots b/c of what A person did and what A team did. France has a long history (which I'm quite sure you do not know anything about) that has lead them to their laws of work they have right now. I think Stephano has acted wrongly on this matter but thats no fucking excuse for you do go out and be racist towards an entire country. edit: Wrote this before the banner was up...
I was wrong.
I apologize to you and the french.
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On September 20 2011 08:03 aMies wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 08:02 Chloroplaste wrote:On September 20 2011 07:39 Chloroplaste wrote: + Show Spoiler +
Stop Flame on Millenium guys :
Millenium said they will send him on all big tournaments all other the world where he can be,
There WILL BE Stephano on MLG, IPL etc...
They always said they WILL SEND Stephano to KOREA if he wants to train 1or2monthmax or specially if he won a GSL spot !
They also announce about their future Gaming house in Marseille that they have maybe found one but they are looking for answer about the connection and more, and it is a 400m² gaming house !
It will be open to players of other teams to train together and they may do a lan like Homestory Cup =)
Millenium is doing a lot to develop Esport in France and in general,
They develop cup with their sponsor with top EU players and will develop bigger lans tournament in future
(like that one MSI Pro Cup #2 )
Millenium and Stephano FIGHTING !!!
Can someone explain to what 400m² gaming house means? Anyways, did Millenium post all these new efforts somewhere? What pisses a lot of people off isnt this whole legal thing, its the fact that Stephano had a chance to do something great with coL, and then he didnt have that chance anymore. And people don't know if Mill can offer Stephano that chance since they are less organized abroad. What chance are you talking about with coL? coL lineup is sligthly behind Millenium team Come on, Machine, Drewbie? They have some players who are not bad but seriously? Millenium will send Stephano everywhere he wants, they have quite a lot of money too! Machine is not on the compLexity roster. I don't know where you pulled that from...
didnt you know? coL's line up is Machine Destiny Drewbie Tyler and mOOnGLaDe
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On September 20 2011 08:02 Chloroplaste wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:39 Chloroplaste wrote: + Show Spoiler +
Stop Flame on Millenium guys :
Millenium said they will send him on all big tournaments all other the world where he can be,
There WILL BE Stephano on MLG, IPL etc...
They always said they WILL SEND Stephano to KOREA if he wants to train 1or2monthmax or specially if he won a GSL spot !
They also announce about their future Gaming house in Marseille that they have maybe found one but they are looking for answer about the connection and more, and it is a 400m² gaming house !
It will be open to players of other teams to train together and they may do a lan like Homestory Cup =)
Millenium is doing a lot to develop Esport in France and in general,
They develop cup with their sponsor with top EU players and will develop bigger lans tournament in future
(like that one MSI Pro Cup #2 )
Millenium and Stephano FIGHTING !!!
Can someone explain to what 400m² gaming house means? Anyways, did Millenium post all these new efforts somewhere? What pisses a lot of people off isnt this whole legal thing, its the fact that Stephano had a chance to do something great with coL, and then he didnt have that chance anymore. And people don't know if Mill can offer Stephano that chance since they are less organized abroad. sry, 400 m² = 0,1 Acre = 0,4 Rood = 15,81 Square rod = 478,4 Square yard (linktoconvert)What chance are you talking about with coL? coL lineup is sligthly behind Millenium team Come on, Machine, Drewbie? They have some players who are not bad but seriously? Millenium will send Stephano everywhere he wants, they have quite a lot of money too!
Hum, Machine at Complexity Gaming ? I must have missed something here.
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As a law student, there are a couple of things I would like to ask Complexity.
1. Why is this not set to go under a court of arbitration? Else, it could take years to get it sorted legally. A counrt of arbitration is how it is done in sports. It would also keep it hidden and as such we wouldn't even know about this dispute.
2. Why do we even know about this? Why are you posting legal updates on Twitter? Why are you posting legal threats on the internet?
3. You have not yet suffered any economical damage, and judging from other esports contract, it isn't praxis to add additional breach fees. As such, sueing would be entirely pointless and gain no one nothing regardless of who won. The only winners would be your legal counsel. So why would you?
4. As you likely know, sueing someone internationally isn't viable unless you have major financial muscles, so why are you even spending time on this regardless of the other points?
Both Millennium and Complexity stand out as complete amateurs in this case. Legal threats on the internet, public polemic, no court of arbitration and childish emotional talks of sueing over something that would gain one nothing. If they want to stand out as professionals, this is hardly the way to go about it.
The thing one realizes from this is that esports could use its own court of arbitration at some point. It is basically a few (legally trained) people that all parties agree upon will decide any breaches or disputes. As such, a verdict is very fast, cannot be appealed, is hidden from the public and is often cheaper (due to its speed). It is how it is done in sports, they have their own court of arbitration. It isn't related to what KeSPA is doing and has nothing to do with the game or management in itself, it just settles legal disputes.
Of course, one can use any ordinary court of arbitration for that (which they should have done in this case), it is just that it would be a bit expensive and it may not be very suited to solve disputes directly related to esports or actual gameplay.
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On September 20 2011 07:48 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:48 Cyrak wrote:On September 20 2011 07:44 Avs wrote:On September 20 2011 07:39 Chloroplaste wrote:Stop Flame on Millenium guys : Millenium said they will send him on all big tournaments all other the world where he can be, There WILL BE Stephano on MLG, IPL etc... They always said they WILL SEND Stephano to KOREA if he wants to train 1or2monthmax or specially if he won a GSL spot ! They also announce about their future Gaming house in Marseille that they have maybe found one but they are looking for answer about the connection and more, and it is a 400m² gaming house ! It will be open to players of other teams to train together and they may do a lan like Homestory Cup =) Millenium is doing a lot to develop Esport in France and in general, They develop cup with their sponsor with top EU players and will develop bigger lans tournament in future (like that one MSI Pro Cup #2 ) Millenium and Stephano FIGHTING !!! Can someone explain to what 400m² gaming house means? Anyways, did Millenium post all these new efforts somewhere? What pisses a lot of people off isnt this whole legal thing, its the fact that Stephano had a chance to do something great with coL, and then he didnt have that chance anymore. And people don't know if Mill can offer Stephano that chance since they are less organized abroad. I believe that's around 4000 sqft. its 20m wide and 20m long. 20x20=400
Which is ~ 66ft x 66 ft or ~4300 sq ft. Which is what the other guy correctly estimated for the non-metric crowd ;-).
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On September 20 2011 07:57 Megiddosc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:51 Djzapz wrote:
I don't know what French laws are like, but (with reserve) I would guess that Stephano can probably do whatever the hell he wants and there's no way in hell coL will be able to extort money from him for costing them OH SO MUCH MONEY AND EFFORT in the couple of hours he was part of the team. Do people just not know the meaning of simple words anymore?
Obtain (something) by force, threats, or other unfair means.
Use of the word "extort" was perfectly correct. Which basically gives the answer: no.. not all of them.
Luckily I'm French Canadian and I can teach you a thing or two.
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Take 1 subculture. 1 Talented 18 year old within that subculture, 2 teams trying to aquire his talent and 1 broken promise: 106 pages on TL about french and USA law.
Forget the law guys, this topic should be in the hands of psychologists now 
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On September 20 2011 07:59 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:58 BuddhaMonk wrote:On September 20 2011 07:51 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:42 Mordiford wrote:On September 20 2011 06:35 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 Myles wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? I live in the 21st century where contracts (should) mean something. So no, I don't think if you sign a contract saying you'll be with a company for x days/months/years/whatever, that you can quit said contract whenever you want. Not with out consequences at least. barbaric. anybody should be able to quit their job, with a given notice period. as is the case in basically every country in the world. i hear some u.s. states don't actually allow that, which is insane - you can really sign your life away for X months or years without a chance to go back on it? surely not. How the fuck is it barbaric? It's absolutely civilized, you agree to something, you go through with it. You change your mind, you both discuss it and if the person you agreed to it with is alright with it, they let you off. If you're of age and not mentally handicapped, you're expected to have the ability to judge whether or not you want to commit to something. We've seen a mutual agreement to be released from a contract in the case of Destiny, in this case however, Mil and Stephano basically went behind Complexity's back and threw them under the bus. At this point, they have to take a stand to make sure that this shit isn't the norm. If you want this game and this community to forever be a bunch of kids playing some games for a bit of money, then it's fine, they should let it slide and let kids do whatever they want. But that's massively detrimental for eSports as a legitimate industry and sport. judgement can be wrong. there are absolutely situations where it's crucial that workers have the right to leave an onerous job; consider someone who starts doing mining, or other hard physical labour, then finds that they're unable to hack it. or consider someone who starts getting sexually harassed in their workplace but is unable to prove it. also, the labour market wouldn't work if people weren't allowed to quit jobs, since there would be no pool of labour! See this is the part where any argument you may have once had loses all credibility. Next you'll be comparing the coL work environment to Nazi concentration camps. There we have it. Page 105, Godwins law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_lawShow nested quote +Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis. Nice, although later than i expected.
Actually he was explaining Godwin's law without saying that it was precisely Godwin's law. It doesn't work imo.
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On September 20 2011 08:02 Chloroplaste wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:39 Chloroplaste wrote: + Show Spoiler +
Stop Flame on Millenium guys :
Millenium said they will send him on all big tournaments all other the world where he can be,
There WILL BE Stephano on MLG, IPL etc...
They always said they WILL SEND Stephano to KOREA if he wants to train 1or2monthmax or specially if he won a GSL spot !
They also announce about their future Gaming house in Marseille that they have maybe found one but they are looking for answer about the connection and more, and it is a 400m² gaming house !
It will be open to players of other teams to train together and they may do a lan like Homestory Cup =)
Millenium is doing a lot to develop Esport in France and in general,
They develop cup with their sponsor with top EU players and will develop bigger lans tournament in future
(like that one MSI Pro Cup #2 )
Millenium and Stephano FIGHTING !!!
Can someone explain to what 400m² gaming house means? Anyways, did Millenium post all these new efforts somewhere? What pisses a lot of people off isnt this whole legal thing, its the fact that Stephano had a chance to do something great with coL, and then he didnt have that chance anymore. And people don't know if Mill can offer Stephano that chance since they are less organized abroad. sry, 400 m² = 0,1 Acre = 0,4 Rood = 15,81 Square rod = 478,4 Square yard (linktoconvert)What chance are you talking about with coL? coL lineup is sligthly behind Millenium team Come on, Machine, Drewbie? They have some players who are not bad but seriously? Millenium will send Stephano everywhere he wants, they have quite a lot of money too!
Actually he had a better opportunity with coL. He would of been able to stay in Korea long term (if he wanted) in the MVP house and get more money instead of chilling in France and rarely get a chance to play outside of the country/Europe in general.
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