EPTStephano contract situation - Page 108
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103) Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there. | ||
|
darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
| ||
|
dSoda
United States122 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:09 Kieofire wrote: Like it has been said before, he did not have to sign the contract at 3:00 a.m. it was his choice to sign it whenever he wanted. You missed my point. This happened over the course of a day. Its not like he changed his mind 2 weeks after the fact. This whole ordeal is just being sensationalized. | ||
|
Frostler
United States41 Posts
| ||
|
Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
| ||
|
LRM
France4 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:13 adeezy wrote: The thing I have to say is also, why would you even want to have him still if you know he's immature like this? Let him join like Evil Geniuses where this sort of behavior is tolerated I posted this a while back but it may explain why he changed his mind, not being aware of such drastic differences: "There is something that dosen't seems to be taken into account: between a contractor contract (offered by CoL) and a CDI (offered by Mill) there are tons of differences. I don't really know much about a contractor contract but from what I've been ready it dosen't appear to offers many guaranties or employment security. Concerning a CDI it offers a minimum salary of 1.365 euros (1.073 euros neat of taxes), we can pretty much assume that it won't be much higher as in addition to that Mill will have to pay social charges of aprox 400euros (35% of the salary ). But this also means that Stephano will no longer contracted to mill as he was before, he will be employed by the structure. It means that: - If at any given time in any given future, millenium decides to get rid of him, they will have to pay a huge amount of money (roughly 6 to 12 months salary including taxes at the very least) - It can appear meaningless, but he is actually saving up for pension -Once he will not be employed by mill (including if he his recruited by another team without a similar contract) he will receive welfare checks of 80% of his salary during the upcoming 6 months. -It will appear as "legitimate" job on his CV if he ever have to search for a "real job", as it is a very restraining contract for the employer To my knowledge he will be the first progamer to receive a CDI in french esport history. On CoL point of vue, I guess that they offered much more cash than millenium did (maybe 2, 3 or 4k) and that they are in there right to sue, but it seems to me that is millenium taking the most risks here, by betting so much on Stephano's career." | ||
|
Sukari
Australia183 Posts
 ).Interesting.. turn of events(?) I guess. | ||
|
Vendor
Canada115 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:12 Djzapz wrote: Oh all the time, absolutely. There was this disabled lawyer in a wheelchair and he would go from small town to small town, suing businesses which weren't "accessible" (no ramps). From my understanding, many of them settled for around $2000 or something. He made quite a bit of money suing every business in a small town! That's extortion. Legal extortion, of course, but that's because the law is very much imperfect. It's even pretty much garbage =). This isn't a breach of contract mind you, obviously, but breaching a brand new international contract for a minor and threatening to sue? Yeah, it's not BS. That is a pretty bad example and also not a contract. So you are using a strange series of events to say taking legal action against a breach of contract is extortion? Nothing forced him to sign the contract at all, it was all his decision and assuming it was written properly (probably not) coL would have every right to exercise legal action, if a person is not ready for such consequences then don't sign it's really that simple. | ||
|
qck
United Kingdom201 Posts
| ||
|
P0ckets
United States430 Posts
| ||
|
Gheed
United States972 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:14 McDrew wrote: You missed my point. This happened over the course of a day. Its not like he changed his mind 2 weeks after the fact. This whole ordeal is just being sensationalized. According to complexity negotiations took place over the course of 2 weeks. Maybe the time from when they sent the contract to the time Stephano signed it was less than a day, but what bearing does that have? | ||
|
uberism
Canada271 Posts
I mean, how does having certain players make a team more money? Its not like the current popular sports where people pay money to see particular players play for a home town. We want to see the player and the team who they represent doesn't really mean much to me. Who can name all the sponsors of all the pro sc2 team? | ||
|
Bellygareth
France512 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:01 Vandalman wrote: He had 18 day to not make a "mistake" You cant just say its ok its a mistake...oh i killed a guy...whoops it was just a mistake. This is begging to be a terrible problem for starcraft 2 and I will not support people who continue to hurt the progression of this sport. It's a contract to play sc2. Not a murder case. Please stop throwing strawman arguments. | ||
|
Eisenheim
France229 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:15 qck wrote: Huge respect for coL for being so calm in a situation that seems to be spiraling rapidly out of control. I haven't lost respect for either Stephano or Millenium, I can only hope the issue gets resolved amicably and quickly. Are you kidding ? Posting on TL for hundred pages of troll/rage/bash. it's not "being so calm", it's immature/amateur. | ||
|
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:15 Vendor wrote: That is a pretty bad example and also not a contract. So you are using a strange series of events to say taking legal action against a breach of contract is extortion? Nothing forced him to sign the contract at all, it was all his decision and assuming it was written properly (probably not) coL would have every right to exercise legal action, if a person is not ready for such consequences then don't sign it's really that simple. I did point out that it was not a contract so you need to read better. Regardless, I can breach international contacts all day and everything will be OK. I probably would break contracts with coL just for fun. I say good for him, like I said good for him when Destiny broke his contact and I cheered for Kiwikaki and Slush when they refused to join coL. | ||
|
D.Devil
Germany227 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:05 Paladia wrote: The thing one realizes from this is that esports could use its own court of arbitration at some point. It is basically a few (legally trained) people that all parties agree upon will decide any breaches or disputes. As such, a verdict is very fast, cannot be appealed, is hidden from the public and is often cheaper (due to its speed). It is how it is done in sports, they have their own court of arbitration. It isn't related to what KeSPA is doing and has nothing to do with the game or management in itself, it just settles legal disputes. Why would esports need its own court of arbitration? You can just use the CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport), in fact the G7 Teams standard contracts worked this way, and I'm sure many contracts still do today. | ||
|
Serpico
4285 Posts
| ||
|
CEO
Sweden16 Posts
| ||
|
Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:18 Eisenheim wrote: Are you kidding ? Posting on TL for hundred pages of troll/rage/bash. it's not "being so calm", it's immature/amateur. everything is posted on tl? for a good reason this is the major "news" outlet for sc2 | ||
|
VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:15 Frostler wrote: I lol'd at them making him one of the highest paid players. Honestly his results are not that impressive, this seems like an attempt to join the "we're paying a ton of money because we're legit" club that EG recently joined. They're essentially taking a risk. Stephano has proven that he can play like a monster, even taking down MMA in a best of 3 recently, something not even NesTea could do, or even come close to. However, he doesn't have much LAN experience, so to me it looks like coL was basically going "We'll send you to MLG, and if you do well, we'll get you to Korea for GSL November." | ||
|
Mortal
2943 Posts
Kind of shit behaviour by Steph and Mill. Hopefully this can all be fixed relatively quickly. | ||
| ||
