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HuK definitely deserves to be on the list especially if Naniwa is there. Not to forget Puzzle. 
But other than that, i liked your writing. Glad you have some optimism left lol! I was a bit "shocked" that MC lost, even though i knew he is having a little slump, but still should have beaten Monster in my eyes. I'm not that sad about Alicias lost. Select fanboy and he deserved his win.
Definitely waiting for HerOs, Sages and SaSe's performance!
On September 19 2011 21:15 KinQuh wrote:
Bro you forgot Mana.
Read the text. This seems to be completely focusing on GSL and Protosses there.
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On September 19 2011 22:04 TedJustice wrote:
Once the patch hits, we'll see some new protoss macro champion who uses warp prisms and techs to carriers in a non-cheesy way.
You heard it here first.
Once the patch hits everyone will allin with Immortals you mean.
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On September 19 2011 21:51 Kipsate wrote:
We need a revolutionist, and Liquid_Hero is pretty enough to do that.
cuz hes on Liquid ? I like this guy but he hasnt impressed me with any fresh way of playing protoss. Talking about revolution, coming in my mind is only Sage with his Bisu-esque play in his gstl allkill and JYP with his harass-based style last GSL. Puzzle, Huk is pretty good, pretty solid but they wont be able to do much with the current metagame. Hero is still kinda shaky.
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One range change wont make immortals immortal.
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On September 19 2011 21:58 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 21:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 19 2011 21:24 Talin wrote:HuK plays very similar to MC anyway, similar general style and mindset. Not something I'd put my money on right now. On September 19 2011 21:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 19 2011 20:39 Tommylew wrote:On September 19 2011 20:34 Anomandaris wrote:
Sase, Naniwa, Hero; you love for TL and the foreign community blinds you. They barely stand their own in code A.
. Hero has played well in GSTL so can do very well in Code A, Sase hasnt played in Code A yet, Nani played in last Code A, the DAY AFTER arriving in korea so no time to practice on korean server etc, so yeh judge him on this CODE A not the last one. EDIT, Could be wrong on Sase but I know if anything he wasnt ih korea for too long eithier. A week mamximun. Wtf? Hero gets destroyed in GSTL just about every time or isn't even sent out to begin with. I honestly have no idea where Hero has had success. He keeps failing to make it out of the ro32 in code A and he lost to a terran at dreamhack, albeit one of the best terrans in the foreign scene, but still not even in the top 20 terrans. I feel like JYP, Puzzle, Sage, and even Tassadar have had more impressive performances. Just because they don't appear in foreign tournaments to own foreigners doesn't mean they couldn't do the same as Hero. Results don't tell the whole story. I look at a lot of things, results, playstyle, quality of opponents. His playstyle is okay but nothing to drool over. Then if you look at his matches against the quality of opponents he's had to play it's pretty depressing. At least when Bomber and DRG were failing to qualify they were owning quality people in other tournaments. So you look at a lot of things, but in the end still end up talking about results and opponents.  I'm really not sure what you see in Puzzle or Tassadar that HerO doesn't have when it comes to his play alone. HerO's multitasking and micro is easily superior, and I'm not sure what part of his game would you consider to be worse (decision making perhaps, but that's got a lot to do with external factors like nerves etc). Looking at pure playing ability, I see JYP and HerO as the only players who seem to have the raw RTS skill to compete at the top in the future (and stay there as the game evolves, rather than falling off once their strategies have been figured out).
Any top level player can look good playing much worse players. JYP, Sage, Tassadar, and Puzzle give great performances when they're playing against the best of the best.
Nestea seriously looks like a chump when he plays against MMA or MVP, but then he plays against someone like Ensnare and looks like an unstoppable god. Better players will MAKE you play worse, it's not that they're choking.
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On September 19 2011 21:51 Kipsate wrote:
We need a revolutionist, and Liquid_Hero is pretty enough to do that.
Honestly, a few good games and the fact that his shirt color is blue, does not justify the hype and expectations placed on him. Puzzle is much more likely to be a Protoss hope, if there will ever be one.
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"More GG, More Skill.".. Just watched some WhiteRa's VODs to cheer me up. Protoss Hwaiting!!
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On September 19 2011 22:08 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 21:51 Kipsate wrote:
We need a revolutionist, and Liquid_Hero is pretty enough to do that. cuz hes on Liquid ? I like this guy but he hasnt impressed me with any fresh way of playing protoss. Talking about revolution, coming in my mind is only Sage with his Bisu-esque play in his gstl allkill and JYP with his harass-based style last GSL. Puzzle, Huk is pretty good, pretty solid but they wont be able to do much with the current metagame. Hero is still kinda shaky.
Hero's PvZ looked awesome vs IdrA and the concept was reminding me alot of Sage in GSTL (although you can argue IdrA is currently not up to par with his korean Zerg counterparts).
I want to see him develop more in televised matches, he has really great potential.
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Reality is that protoss does not play a role in the outcome of tournaments anymore. There is no point in playing protoss if you actually want to win something, since even players who are considered the absolute best in the world are not competitive anymore when they play protoss.
At this point, cultivating a romantic idea about someone eventually figuring out some magic playstyle that will change the metagame is basically just taking a big, warm and steaming shit on the principles of fair competition IMO.
Protoss needs either to be repaired or to be completely disallowed in official competition, as its really unfair for the athletes. In order to maximize their personal performance they need to ignore all balance issues and just continue practicing, which results in them getting fucked over pretty hard right now.
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Funny how a couple of the protoss heros you listed are balancer "whiners" themselves haha. Anyway what this comes down to is basically just a whining about the whiners post. Seriously is it impossible to admit there might be a problem? The protoss heros on the front page aren't even capable of being competitive vs high end code S zergs and terrans and they all basically rock 50 percent winrates like hongun and Alicia before them, so I don't really get why you expect anything to be accomplished. Protoss winrate is still in the tank, barely any are making out of Code A, and they aren't even competitive at the highest level. If you're a protoss player fan watching this game is just a sense of freaking dread that is 99% of the time realized.
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On September 19 2011 21:58 Talin wrote:So you look at a lot of things, but in the end still end up talking about results and opponents. I'm really not sure what you see in Puzzle or Tassadar that HerO doesn't have when it comes to his play alone. HerO's multitasking and micro is easily superior, and I'm not sure what part of his game would you consider to be worse (decision making perhaps, but that's got a lot to do with external factors like nerves etc).
Hero is terribly overrated on TL (understandable). It's quite irrelevant how good his play looks against foreigners, he's 4-13 in Korea. I don't want to write him down, he had some nice games against DRG, but he has to prove himself and his play in Korea.
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On September 19 2011 22:15 perestain wrote:
Reality is that protoss does not play a role in the outcome of tournaments anymore. There is no point in playing protoss if you actually want to win something, since even players who are considered the absolute best in the world are not competitive anymore when they play protoss.
At this point, cultivating a romantic idea about someone eventually figuring out some magic playstyle that will change the metagame is basically just taking a big, warm and steaming shit on the principles of fair competition IMO.
Protoss needs either to be repaired or to be completely disallowed in official competition, as its really unfair for the athletes. In order to maximize their personal performance they need to ignore all balance issues and just continue practicing, which results in them getting fucked over pretty hard right now.
Such a defeatist attitude. It might be a metagame thing or it might be imbalance but please stop being so damn negative and whiny. And the reason people are cultivating a romantic idea that someone will figure out a "magic playstyle" is because this is exactly what happened in BW.
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On September 19 2011 22:21 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 22:15 perestain wrote:
Reality is that protoss does not play a role in the outcome of tournaments anymore. There is no point in playing protoss if you actually want to win something, since even players who are considered the absolute best in the world are not competitive anymore when they play protoss.
At this point, cultivating a romantic idea about someone eventually figuring out some magic playstyle that will change the metagame is basically just taking a big, warm and steaming shit on the principles of fair competition IMO.
Protoss needs either to be repaired or to be completely disallowed in official competition, as its really unfair for the athletes. In order to maximize their personal performance they need to ignore all balance issues and just continue practicing, which results in them getting fucked over pretty hard right now.
Such a defeatist attitude. It might be a metagame thing or it might be imbalance but please stop being so damn negative and whiny. And the reason people are cultivating a romantic idea that someone will figure out a "magic playstyle" is because this is exactly what happened in BW.
How can I not be negative considering the fact that as a viewer the experience is completely ruined for me. I'm suffocated by GomTvTvTvT and everytime I see a match with a protoss in GSL I know they are gonna lose. It's completely depressing. There's a growing amount of people in GSL who just don't even lose vs Protoss.
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On September 19 2011 22:21 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 22:15 perestain wrote:
Reality is that protoss does not play a role in the outcome of tournaments anymore. There is no point in playing protoss if you actually want to win something, since even players who are considered the absolute best in the world are not competitive anymore when they play protoss.
At this point, cultivating a romantic idea about someone eventually figuring out some magic playstyle that will change the metagame is basically just taking a big, warm and steaming shit on the principles of fair competition IMO.
Protoss needs either to be repaired or to be completely disallowed in official competition, as its really unfair for the athletes. In order to maximize their personal performance they need to ignore all balance issues and just continue practicing, which results in them getting fucked over pretty hard right now.
Such a defeatist attitude. It might be a metagame thing or it might be imbalance but please stop being so damn negative and whiny. And the reason people are cultivating a romantic idea that someone will figure out a "magic playstyle" is because this is exactly what happened in BW.
that's not a good example as there never was a protoss bonjwa, protoss has by far the least amount of MSL/OSL titles and the only time toss race was dominating lasted like 5 months haha.
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Here are the last 5 games of the top 13 Protosses in Korea by ELO. Note that this was made before JYP's games today, so give him another 2 wins (and the best record of the list):
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what the hell... why does no one take hong un into consideration? hes like always doing well on gsl while every other protoss just falls and dies and everyone just ignores him! -_-
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On September 19 2011 22:08 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 21:51 Kipsate wrote:
We need a revolutionist, and Liquid_Hero is pretty enough to do that. cuz hes on Liquid ? I like this guy but he hasnt impressed me with any fresh way of playing protoss. Talking about revolution, coming in my mind is only Sage with his Bisu-esque play in his gstl allkill and JYP with his harass-based style last GSL. Puzzle, Huk is pretty good, pretty solid but they wont be able to do much with the current metagame. Hero is still kinda shaky.
Naah its not that
He is pretty.
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Maybe Jangbi will switch to SC2....? ;0)
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On September 19 2011 22:26 ondik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 22:21 karpo wrote:On September 19 2011 22:15 perestain wrote:
Reality is that protoss does not play a role in the outcome of tournaments anymore. There is no point in playing protoss if you actually want to win something, since even players who are considered the absolute best in the world are not competitive anymore when they play protoss.
At this point, cultivating a romantic idea about someone eventually figuring out some magic playstyle that will change the metagame is basically just taking a big, warm and steaming shit on the principles of fair competition IMO.
Protoss needs either to be repaired or to be completely disallowed in official competition, as its really unfair for the athletes. In order to maximize their personal performance they need to ignore all balance issues and just continue practicing, which results in them getting fucked over pretty hard right now.
Such a defeatist attitude. It might be a metagame thing or it might be imbalance but please stop being so damn negative and whiny. And the reason people are cultivating a romantic idea that someone will figure out a "magic playstyle" is because this is exactly what happened in BW. that's not a good example as there never was a protoss bonjwa, protoss has by far the least amount of MSL/OSL titles and the only time toss race was dominating lasted like 5 months haha.
Precisely: out of 60 MSL/OSL tournaments protoss players won 13. Even though the common opinion was that imbalances lied more in the maps than the races itself, toss was always considered very easy race to play at lower leves but the hardest to play at absolute top level.
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