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Our Protoss Heroes (GSL Spoiler Alert)

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Astro-Penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
554 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 17:32:20
September 19 2011 09:17 GMT
#1
Edit: The honorable mention Protoss (mainly Huk and Puzzle) that I listed I feel are just as amazing but unfortaunley I wrote this up very late and was to tired to add them into the mix.

Its nothing new to learn that Protoss preformance has not been up to par as of late, in fact its reached an all time low in which Protoss have never before experienced within WoL. With top Protoss such as MC and Alicia falling to Code B Protoss hope has began to diminish and crumble and exceed beyond our reach.

Terran and zerg have won, MC's dedication, everything he fought for - undone. Any chance he gave at fixing our race dies with MC's loss. We bet it all on him. Monster took the best of us and tore him down. Protoss will lose hope of another Code S victory.

But they won't, they must not know of the others.

MC in Code B, Puzzle in a group of death? You can't sweep that up!

No but Protoss cannot abandon hope, Aiur needs its true hero.

No!

You either fall to Code B or live long enough to adapt to the metagame, they can do those things because they aren't QQers, they aren't MC or Alicia, they're innovaters, thats what they can be.

No, no they cant, they're not mainstream!

They're what Protoss needs them to be.

The terran and zerg will own them.

They'll abuse them they'll stomp them, set the ownage on them. Because sometimes losing is good, Sometimes we deserve more, Sometimes players deserve to have their mistakes rewarded for future gain.

Why are they trying new things?

Because we have to innovate.

But they aren't Code S.

Because they're the heroes that Protoss deserve but not the ones Code S have right now, so we'll ignore them, because they will practice, because they are not all inners, they are macro players, innovaters, Aiurs hope.

(Hopefully you guys understood the reference)

So who are these Protoss innovaters that I feel have recently began to outclass much of Code S and players like MC and Alicia. Each of these players I feel is just as capable as MC and Alicia if not more capable.

Liquid Hero

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This guys array of strategies is beyond a doubt one of the most expansive out of any Protoss. Constantly he is innovating and improving his unique playstyle. With tacticts such as Warp Prisms in his PvZ his understanding of this matchup will become a go to staple for the community to learn from and copy. He has demonstrated his micro through jaw dropping phoenix control, and shown us that he can preform equally well by preforming very fast and managing his macro superbly through great mechanics. Although his best results as of recent have been a Top 6 MLG Finish and a top 4 Dreamhack finish he is rapidly improving and surpassing many of our beloved Protoss heroes and I feel it wont be long until he claims the throne of the top Protoss. Not to mention this guy has a look of a champion, thats always a plus.


NSHoseoSage


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Unless you follow alot of ICCUP tournaments (I appologize for not recalling the new name) you will have only seen this guy mainly in the GSTL. Preforming an all kill on the FOU team against players such as SC and Leenock this guy has demonstrated insanely safe and solid play. His ability to play safe and react based on the information he has been given makes his play an ideal candidate to copy if you wish to maintain consistancy and not rely on risky playstyles that are very abundant within the GSL. In his games he has shown us a vast array of build and styles such as Phoenix Chargelot or simply new safe ways of progressing into a macro game. This guy beyond a doubt has poteintal to take a Code S victory if he continues on his path and please Artosis by making many observers.

TSLJYP

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This guy never really hit big until recently when making his way through Code A, his use of the Warp Prism in both PvT and PvZ have shown that Protoss can indeed macro and harass effectively at the same time. His use of High Templars as a form of harassment is a great example of how a Protoss can pressure and keep the zerg on his toes well taking a third. This guy is quickly sweeping the scene by demonstrating a very Brood War form of playstyle and showing us great and innovative macro games. If you were to ask Coach Lee who the best player on TSL was I'm almost 95% inclined to say he would respond with JYP. His matches through the Code A up and down truly demonstrated that he is deserving of our attention. Not to mention this guys blink stalker control is out of this world.


Sase


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A former Warcraft 3 Player Sase reigns from the foreigner community and has remained relatively unknown to the scene until very recently. Residing in Korea he is beyond a doubt practicing consistantly and working insanely hard as I can personally vouch I have seen him stream ladder games for 9 hours straight. With his own way of playing the game Sase demonstrates insane micro and is very innovative in his builds, (In fact i've seen him use carriers alot in PvZ). Combine this with his speed (This guys APM is actually insane) I feel Sase has what it takes to compete at the top. Maintaining top 50 in Korean GM this guy is without a doubt a force to be reckoned with and will make a huge splash if he continues to train as hard as he is.

DignitasNaniwa

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Yet another foreigner and former Warcraft 3 Player Naniwa has been a well known figure within the community for some time. Although he has been pretty vocal about his balance concerns Naniwa has demonstrated that he understands what it takes to be the best and he is willing to work towards that no matter what it takes. He constantly demonstrates a very good understanding of the metagame and because of this he is able to maintain success through his knowledge and hard work. Considering his skill level prior to Korea being almost up to par with many Code A and Code S players Naniwa with enough time will almost undoubtedly make it into Code S and snag a big tournament victory one day.

Honorable Mentions:
IMYonghwa
IMSeed
San
EGHuk
SlayersPuzzle
MVPGenius (Seriously this guy is so underrated)
NSHoseoTassadar

Conclusion:
Instead of people whinning about balance concerns I hope they can learn to support and acknowledge the Protoss players I have listed and learn from much of their playstyle and as personally I believe their new innovations will usher us in a strong macro style that can lead us to success and more stability.Just because our old go to Protoss are not preforming up to par as of late people have come to the conclusion that Protoss is underpowered, many are quick to blame balance instead of the players lack of will to change and adapt when things get tough. Although many of these old school Protoss players are very talented individuals I feel that because of their prior success with much easier tacticts they have fallen into a trap of living in the past instead of trying to progress forward. It's important to remember that with new tacticts comes learning and because of that it's vastly important for individuals to remember that although these new strategies and tacticts bring more loses, they are helping the Protoss metagame progress forward as a whole and push us away from our comfort zone, from our mistakes we can learn and in time and reach a much better metagame.

Dont lose hope, Protoss have alot of up and commers that can compete with even the likes of MC and entertain us with amazing games.

"More GG, More Skill." -Whitera

damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 09:24:42
September 19 2011 09:24 GMT
#2
very well written
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37022 Posts
September 19 2011 09:27 GMT
#3
Haha, nice write up. Aiur hwaiting! MC IN CODE B?! DA FUCK?!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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LtLolburger
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand365 Posts
September 19 2011 09:27 GMT
#4
I like your optimism Astro-Penguin, and I do hope you are right....
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane. -Philip K. Dick
SkaPunk
Profile Joined October 2010
United States471 Posts
September 19 2011 09:33 GMT
#5
Its a dark day.
Team Fallacy
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
September 19 2011 09:34 GMT
#6
Hero, Sage, and Sase gonna wreck Code A.... I believe !!!
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 09:35:38
September 19 2011 09:35 GMT
#7
lol good job on the Dark Knight poach. The question-response bit had me confused for a few moments, though.

My money's on Sage, or MC coming back out of code B with a vengeance next season. As much as I'd like to hope, though, I'm not sure we'll have a real shot at a GSL title before HotS.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12792 Posts
September 19 2011 09:39 GMT
#8
Puzzle will beat Bomber easily (one of the best TvPers :D) don't worry.
And HongUn is probably the best PvTer since he doesn't seem to lose it recently.
WriterMaru
AdelSC123
Profile Joined March 2010
France362 Posts
September 19 2011 09:39 GMT
#9
I hope that protoss doesn't get buffed anytime soon, i'd rather protoss come out of the dark age thanks to an awesome player (example bisu) than thanks to some stupid buff...

I really hope that hero will lead us to a brighter future
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 09:41:02
September 19 2011 09:40 GMT
#10
HongUn didn't even get a mention despite being the 2nd best toss of sc2 and arguably the best of the last few months? xD

We definitely need to be looking to the new blood for development at a time like this imo; they are far freer to play around and come up with new styles and builds, whereas the guys who already have had a spot in the GSL are presumably busy refining what works a lot of the time.
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
September 19 2011 09:40 GMT
#11
On September 19 2011 18:39 HellKey wrote:
I hope that protoss doesn't get buffed anytime soon, i'd rather protoss come out of the dark age thanks to an awesome player (example bisu) than thanks to some stupid buff...

I really hope that hero will lead us to a brighter future


We don't need buff'd, everyone else needs nerfed :p :D
Snitches get stiches
diddLY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States215 Posts
September 19 2011 09:40 GMT
#12
Sase is SO sick. Will be rooting for all the toss this season!
BjC
Profile Joined February 2011
England181 Posts
September 19 2011 09:41 GMT
#13
SaSe!!!! For Code A champion! He has the skill!
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
September 19 2011 09:42 GMT
#14
I can't help but feel that your excellent write-up is somehow undermined by the fact that quite a few of the players you listed, have publicly stated that they feel Protoss is weak. I can't see anyone emerging out of GSL without direct Blizzard interference due to how hilariously brutal PvT is currently. Maybe I'm just jaded, but yeah. I dunno.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 09:50:44
September 19 2011 09:50 GMT
#15
Well HerO is my new favorite protoss player, and he can also perform extraordinary sometimes. I hated (excuse me, HATED) his play vs Thorzain at DH Valencia, but that's another story. He has it in him to be a ..... hero.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
PrideNeverDie
Profile Joined November 2010
United States319 Posts
September 19 2011 09:52 GMT
#16
how is puzzle and tassadar only "honorable mentions"

that being said in Sage we trust!
If you want it bad enough you will find a way; If you don't, you will find an excuse
lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
September 19 2011 09:58 GMT
#17
You posted this too early. It remains to be seen whether any of those "heroes" will get past the ro32 - should've waited until then.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 19 2011 09:58 GMT
#18
Very well written post. HerO will break through soon. I know it.
TailsPrower
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada94 Posts
September 19 2011 09:58 GMT
#19
Protoss FIGHTING! Lets hope a new chosen one rises up and rips through Code A/Code S!
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
September 19 2011 10:01 GMT
#20
Lol, no Huk?

And I must say I love JYP from the moments I seen him dismantle DRG
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