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New dogs are good to see tho, because MC has fallen hard... Like most protoss.
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
New dogs are good to see tho, because MC has fallen hard... Like most protoss. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 19 2011 20:39 Tommylew wrote: Hero has played well in GSTL so can do very well in Code A, Sase hasnt played in Code A yet, Nani played in last Code A, the DAY AFTER arriving in korea so no time to practice on korean server etc, so yeh judge him on this CODE A not the last one. EDIT, Could be wrong on Sase but I know if anything he wasnt ih korea for too long eithier. A week mamximun. Wtf? Hero gets destroyed in GSTL just about every time or isn't even sent out to begin with. I honestly have no idea where Hero has had success. He keeps failing to make it out of the ro32 in code A and he lost to a terran at dreamhack, albeit one of the best terrans in the foreign scene, but still not even in the top 20 terrans. I feel like JYP, Puzzle, Sage, and even Tassadar have had more impressive performances. Just because they don't appear in foreign tournaments to own foreigners doesn't mean they couldn't do the same as Hero. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On September 19 2011 20:52 tubs wrote: While I can respect your optimism, I can't really agree with this post at all. Nothing matters until one of these up and comers actually wins a Korean tournament. Who cares if some build works against lesser opponents when the true test is if it works against somebody like IMMvp or IMNestea. Too many people also don't realize that the Chargelot/Prism/Phoenix strategy that Sage uses is from oGsMC. Sage himself even admitted in an interview that is where he got the build from. The OP is being WAAAAY too dismissive of MC. He's in a slump. Everybody slumps in a while. Actually almost every popular protoss strategy has been derived from MC in some way or another. I think JYP, Hero and Sage appear to be using storm drops to the point where it looks like it's their thing, but MC was doing it first. He was basically they guy who popularised x gate timing pushes. Forge Fast expands. Air vs Terran. Air harass vs Zerg. The Warp Prism templar ship. Mass sentry expands. Etc. He's definitely in a slump, but he's not to be looked away from for inspiration. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On September 19 2011 21:21 Itsmedudeman wrote: Wtf? Hero gets destroyed in GSTL just about every time or isn't even sent out to begin with. I honestly have no idea where Hero has had success. He keeps failing to make it out of the ro32 in code A and he lost to a terran at dreamhack, albeit one of the best terrans in the foreign scene, but still not even in the top 20 terrans. I feel like JYP, Puzzle, Sage, and even Tassadar have had more impressive performances. Just because they don't appear in foreign tournaments to own foreigners doesn't mean they couldn't do the same as Hero. Results don't tell the whole story. | ||
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CoMMoDuS
Germany507 Posts
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SC2MKP
Singapore28 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 19 2011 21:24 Talin wrote: HuK plays very similar to MC anyway, similar general style and mindset. Not something I'd put my money on right now. Results don't tell the whole story. I look at a lot of things, results, playstyle, quality of opponents. His playstyle is okay but nothing to drool over. Then if you look at his matches against the quality of opponents he's had to play it's pretty depressing. At least when Bomber and DRG were failing to qualify they were owning quality people in other tournaments. | ||
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
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9001
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Russano
United States434 Posts
On September 19 2011 21:33 althaz wrote: In which matchup exactly does Huk play like MC? Do you mean PvZ where Huk usually goes blink and MC always goes Stargate? Or PvT where Huk usually goes for earlyish Colossi and MC more frequently goes for storm 1st instead? Or do you mean PvP where they both go one of the handful of viable builds? Huks play definately reminds me alot of MCs, altho not nearly as much recently. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
if you are a good player playing a risky style, ofcourse youre going to have fluctuations in league placement. | ||
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idkju
Canada51 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On September 19 2011 20:19 bittman wrote: Lovely attitude. Bet you think TheBest and Rain are terrible players too, since your adjective of "terrible" is based on what has been, not what could be. There are a lot of players who were gimmicky as hell, and have really looked strong since copping a slap to the face. Protoss heroes obviously aren't going to be coming from "what has been", but rather "what could be". If you personally are looking for a hero, don't be picky if one appears and you don't like him because he looked bad in the past. MC used to be the toss hero, and people thought he was laughable in Brood War. Take what you get, don't act entitled =P lol, of course they are terrible. I mean sure, they're much better than me and better than most of foreigners pros, but we are talking here about the top korean level. Actually comparing hongun to rain is pretty accurate. Thing is, Hongun could be considered top5 toss in the world. Rain can't be considered even top20 terran. Imagine you have no MVP, Bomber, Taeja, MMA, Ryung, Puma, Nada, Ganzi, MKP, SC............ and your fate depends on TheBest and Rain. Would you feel good? Yea, I know your point is it's important what they show in the future and you're right. But this is exactly why I don't like hongun, trickster and genius, while I love Sage and JYP who have yet to show some real results. Many months ago Hongun was hyped a lot by artosis who said he had the best PvZ in the world. I remember I really liked his play, but despite some good results, he didn't really progress as a player. He still goes for some old allins, sometimes mix in a new one, wins few games, loses few games. Mediocre player at best. There's no sign of a revolutionary style in his play, unlike Sage and JYP. If he's lucky, he may hang on in GSL for a while, but he's not the one to change current state of protoss. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Veclada
742 Posts
On September 19 2011 21:51 Kipsate wrote: We need a revolutionist, and Liquid_Hero is pretty enough to do that. you say so because he's in liquid? | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On September 19 2011 21:49 MilesTeg wrote: I'm shocked by the pessimism of a lot of Protoss fans here. MC was just overrated and frankly never THAT good, I'm sure someone else will emerge as the best Protoss and show everyone how it's meant to be played. Comparing MC to any other Protoss player tends to make the other player look kinda bad. He's still the best Protoss player around. If *anyone* else was having any sort of success you might have a point, but they aren't. Metagame or balance, Protoss is just absolutely awful right now. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On September 19 2011 21:30 Itsmedudeman wrote: I look at a lot of things, results, playstyle, quality of opponents. His playstyle is okay but nothing to drool over. Then if you look at his matches against the quality of opponents he's had to play it's pretty depressing. At least when Bomber and DRG were failing to qualify they were owning quality people in other tournaments. So you look at a lot of things, but in the end still end up talking about results and opponents. I'm really not sure what you see in Puzzle or Tassadar that HerO doesn't have when it comes to his play alone. HerO's multitasking and micro is easily superior, and I'm not sure what part of his game would you consider to be worse (decision making perhaps, but that's got a lot to do with external factors like nerves etc). Looking at pure playing ability, I see JYP and HerO as the only players who seem to have the raw RTS skill to compete at the top in the future (and stay there as the game evolves, rather than falling off once their strategies have been figured out). | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
You heard it here first. | ||
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