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Onox
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1072 Posts
September 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#301
Didn't realize this many koreans were going, christ. This is going to be crazy to watch.
Ansalem
Profile Joined November 2010
564 Posts
September 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#302
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.

It's the same kind of rigidity NASL showed last season when they used the wrong map, and forced everyone to play out a bad map for 2 weeks. Adherence to rules and regulations should only go so far. As an admin, it's your call to make if you want to adjust. If you're uncomfortable with it, you could even ask every pool participant if they would mind. I guarantee you'll get 100% yes, for reforming the system mid-season.


Something to consider is that because of the way rank points work, it was important for players to continue attending every MLG to keep their pool places until finals. This means players may have passed on other events or had to spend less time practicing for bigger prize pool events. Teams also payed hundreds or thousands of dollars to send their players to every event to keep those positions when they may not have sent them long distance for a chance just to win $5k without the additional importance of gathering points. It's not just that it would seem unfair to players who are performing badly and still have stayed in pool play because of the current design. Others would be unfairly affected as well.
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
September 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#303
Group A: Group of inconsistency. Any of these players could go top 4, or any could place 25th.
Group B: Group of potential. Solid overall, and not any easy games.
Group C: Group of meh, why watch?
Group D: Group of DEATH. Probably the hardest MLG group ever?
I'm a gooner.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
September 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#304
On September 17 2011 07:54 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.



Again. Will never happen. If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing. That is the foundation of what you do, and it cannot change on the fly. Hate us for bad seeding, fine. You would hate us more if we made changes at will.

This has been a standing policy since 2003. Next year will be the first time in MLG history that a calendar year will be treated as multiple seasons. Unfortunately this year, 2011, is not afforded that luxury.

What a load of unqualified statements. "If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing." Seriously? What about every single major sport on the world? If something is going awfully wrong, they change it. A simple seeding revamp doesn't disadvantage ANYONE except the people who clearly don't deserve a pool play seed. Tell me what is unfair about punishing someone going 0-5 3 tournaments in a row. You say we would hate you if you made changes at will. You mean, like the GSL exchange program - that seems like a random change that was introducing 4 overpowered players into the tournament.

Fix what ain't broke but please please fix what is broken into pieces.
EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
September 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#305
All i hope is the 1.4patch is out by orlando so MLG might probably release the replays :D
if play random i can't call any race imba?
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:15:19
September 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#306
Idra always gets the easiest groups somehow.

Wonder if Incontrol is already preparing his familiar "I'm so disappointed in myself for losing every game, next time I will make up for this performance" yadayada speech yet >,>
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
September 16 2011 23:07 GMT
#307
On September 17 2011 08:04 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 07:54 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.



Again. Will never happen. If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing. That is the foundation of what you do, and it cannot change on the fly. Hate us for bad seeding, fine. You would hate us more if we made changes at will.

This has been a standing policy since 2003. Next year will be the first time in MLG history that a calendar year will be treated as multiple seasons. Unfortunately this year, 2011, is not afforded that luxury.

I get where you're coming from, but just sticking with a clearly flawed system because 'that's how you do things' doesn't show much initiative. Yes, you might be compromising your principals, but if it makes it better for 99% of the people out there, why would you not take the leap and change things up? It's not a good thing to have 0 room for flexibility. For example, let's say you guys make a similar mistake next season and things look similar to how it is now (no plan or system is 100% foolproof). That would mean we would have another year of MLGs with a broken system.

With only 2 events to go, yeah it's probably too late to change things now, but I hope you guys are more open-minded about mending the rules mid-season next year.


next year has shorter seasons iirc
My Casts: www.youtube.com/Shaetan
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
September 16 2011 23:07 GMT
#308
Pool D is so insane... 3 Koreans, HuK and Socke who isn't exactly bad either. If MKP comes through the Open Bracket in this group it would be so sick.
It seems that the Korean domination will go on, the only Question ist who will be 1st and who will gain his Code S spot.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
September 16 2011 23:07 GMT
#309
is hero going to mlg again?

please say yes.
JohnnyBlaze420
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia814 Posts
September 16 2011 23:08 GMT
#310
man this is gonna be hype such a stacked pool!
.lets get weird
DTBeyond
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany12 Posts
September 16 2011 23:10 GMT
#311
SOCKE U CAN DO IT!
Spaceneil8
Profile Joined February 2011
United States317 Posts
September 16 2011 23:10 GMT
#312
On September 17 2011 08:05 Corrik wrote:
I know for a fact there was a rule change in Halo: Reach about gametypes directly before MLG Raleigh... which ended up changing how ties were resolved between teams... which affected which team took first place in a pool at MLG Raleigh.

So, there is precedent to change rules mid-season, but I agree it's a bad idea to do so.

But that's specific to the rules of a certain game. The seeding and points affects all of mlg's games and the only reason it isn't working as intended is because players that place highly don't return for the next event in sc2. It works pretty well in all of the other games.
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
September 16 2011 23:10 GMT
#313
On September 17 2011 08:10 DTBeyond wrote:
SOCKE U CAN DO IT!

hmmmm nope he cant
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Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:12:18
September 16 2011 23:11 GMT
#314
On September 17 2011 08:06 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 07:54 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.



Again. Will never happen. If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing. That is the foundation of what you do, and it cannot change on the fly. Hate us for bad seeding, fine. You would hate us more if we made changes at will.

This has been a standing policy since 2003. Next year will be the first time in MLG history that a calendar year will be treated as multiple seasons. Unfortunately this year, 2011, is not afforded that luxury.

What a load of unqualified statements. "If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing." Seriously? What about every single major sport on the world? If something is going awfully wrong, they change it. A simple seeding revamp doesn't disadvantage ANYONE except the people who clearly don't deserve a pool play seed. Tell me what is unfair about punishing someone going 0-5 3 tournaments in a row. You say we would hate you if you made changes at will. You mean, like the GSL exchange program - that seems like a random change that was introducing 4 overpowered players into the tournament.

Fix what ain't broke but please please fix what is broken into pieces.


NFL stayed with their playoff system even when the Seahawks made it in at 7-9 due to the rules. Changing rules midseason is fucked up. They know the system is messed up, they are fixing it for next year.

edit: the GSL LXP didn't remove players from pool spots it was an addition to the pool structure.
My Casts: www.youtube.com/Shaetan
Skipton
Profile Joined December 2010
United States707 Posts
September 16 2011 23:11 GMT
#315
No HerO in pools X_X
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 16 2011 23:11 GMT
#316
Group D is sick sick!

Gonna love watching those matches.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
September 16 2011 23:11 GMT
#317
On September 17 2011 07:26 closter wrote:
MC needs that code S spot

omg i didnt even realize that - i hope he wins the tournament and is back in code S next season
Long live the Boss Toss!
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
September 16 2011 23:11 GMT
#318
On September 17 2011 08:10 Spaceneil8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 08:05 Corrik wrote:
I know for a fact there was a rule change in Halo: Reach about gametypes directly before MLG Raleigh... which ended up changing how ties were resolved between teams... which affected which team took first place in a pool at MLG Raleigh.

So, there is precedent to change rules mid-season, but I agree it's a bad idea to do so.

But that's specific to the rules of a certain game. The seeding and points affects all of mlg's games and the only reason it isn't working as intended is because players that place highly don't return for the next event in sc2. It works pretty well in all of the other games.


The seeding isn't working in regards to SC2 because SC2 incorporated the LXP with Koreans during the middle of the season.

A seeding change in SC2 would be no different than adding the Korean LXP. Again, though, I must stress that I agree with not changing it midseason.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:12:20
September 16 2011 23:12 GMT
#319
Why the f*ck are BoxeR and IdrA always in the same pool...

Gogo BoxeR~!.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Sanchez_
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:12:49
September 16 2011 23:12 GMT
#320
On September 17 2011 08:04 Highways wrote:
Group A is so piss weak.

Group D is insane...

Pretty much lol, put any player from A in D and they'd be very lucky to top 3
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