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Legace
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden342 Posts
September 16 2011 23:01 GMT
#281
Aw, korean top 8 this time.
Hopefully HuK kan inch his way into the top 8 atleast.
Hibzy
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom445 Posts
September 16 2011 23:02 GMT
#282
Can't wait to see how many bunkers Boxer builds vs IdrA!
"Uhh, I just have an insanely good sense of fashion." -TLO
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
September 16 2011 23:02 GMT
#283
On September 17 2011 08:00 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 07:57 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:54 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.



Again. Will never happen. If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing. That is the foundation of what you do, and it cannot change on the fly. Hate us for bad seeding, fine. You would hate us more if we made changes at will.

What about the NBA switching balls mid-season after players complained about the new material? The NFL has made mid-season changes as well.


They changed balls because they were physically hurting the players.

Thats not an appropriate analogy.


A more appropriate analogy would be the NBA making changes to their playoff schedule even after the seedings have been set. If that were to happen, chaos would ensue.
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Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
September 16 2011 23:03 GMT
#284
Well, if anyone can make non-Korean trained pros look decent in Group D, it's Socke. But still, roll on next circuit.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 16 2011 23:03 GMT
#285
Lol wow 1) Idras group is super ez cept boxer
2) incontrols group is impossible lol

and wow socke is still seeded even though he hasn't been to mlg since dallas? wowowowowow
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
September 16 2011 23:03 GMT
#286
On September 17 2011 08:02 Hibzy wrote:
Can't wait to see how many bunkers Boxer builds vs IdrA!

He should nuke him. It better happen.
HunterK
Profile Joined April 2011
Argentina68 Posts
September 16 2011 23:03 GMT
#287
WTF pool D!!!
huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
September 16 2011 23:03 GMT
#288
On September 17 2011 07:57 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 07:54 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.



Again. Will never happen. If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing. That is the foundation of what you do, and it cannot change on the fly. Hate us for bad seeding, fine. You would hate us more if we made changes at will.

What about the NBA switching balls mid-season after players complained about the new material? The NFL has made mid-season changes as well.


If the NFL sees that a 5-9 team is tied for 1st place in their division, they don't switch them out with a random 9-5 team from some other division to make sure there isn't a blowout in the playoffs. You cannot make a system like MLG did, which highly influences the choices teams make, (to come to as many MLGs as possible, especially the really soft first one) and then abandon it because it isn't giving you the results you want. Sometimes you have to stick with your bad decisions, because to do otherwise would, while giving you a better product for most people, ruin your credibility and trustworthiness.

Certainly MLG is comfortable changing maps and such, which is more in line with your analogy IMO.
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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
September 16 2011 23:03 GMT
#289
LOL @ Pool D.

That is the most laughably stacked group I've ever seen compared to its competition.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
September 16 2011 23:04 GMT
#290
On September 17 2011 07:56 MLG_Adam wrote:
Remember there are quite a few sharks in the Open Bracket. 'Easy' pools might be thrown a curve ball based on how it plays out.

Post a list of top confirmed open bracket players soon please :D.

I heard whispers of WhiteRA :O, FXO supposed to be sending Koreans too?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:06:30
September 16 2011 23:04 GMT
#291
On September 17 2011 08:00 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 07:57 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:54 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.



Again. Will never happen. If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing. That is the foundation of what you do, and it cannot change on the fly. Hate us for bad seeding, fine. You would hate us more if we made changes at will.

What about the NBA switching balls mid-season after players complained about the new material? The NFL has made mid-season changes as well.


They changed balls because they were physically hurting the players.

Thats not an appropriate analogy.

How about the playoff series game number change? Stern announced they were going from bo5s to bo7s midseason.

On September 17 2011 08:03 huameng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 07:57 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:54 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.



Again. Will never happen. If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing. That is the foundation of what you do, and it cannot change on the fly. Hate us for bad seeding, fine. You would hate us more if we made changes at will.

What about the NBA switching balls mid-season after players complained about the new material? The NFL has made mid-season changes as well.


If the NFL sees that a 5-9 team is tied for 1st place in their division, they don't switch them out with a random 9-5 team from some other division to make sure there isn't a blowout in the playoffs. You cannot make a system like MLG did, which highly influences the choices teams make, (to come to as many MLGs as possible, especially the really soft first one) and then abandon it because it isn't giving you the results you want. Sometimes you have to stick with your bad decisions, because to do otherwise would, while giving you a better product for most people, ruin your credibility and trustworthiness.

Certainly MLG is comfortable changing maps and such, which is more in line with your analogy IMO.

That is only if you view it as a single season to begin with, which I'm arguing is the initial mistake. Every major tournament uses placement from past events to determine seeds/invitations to future events. They just don't connect them in this way. DH is the perfect example.
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Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
September 16 2011 23:04 GMT
#292
Pool D is a fucking nightmare. Poor Socke
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
September 16 2011 23:04 GMT
#293
Go Machine!

They may take away your life but they will never take away your POOL PLACEMENT!!!!!!


Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
September 16 2011 23:04 GMT
#294
Group A is so piss weak.

Group D is insane...
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 16 2011 23:04 GMT
#295
On September 17 2011 07:54 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.



Again. Will never happen. If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing. That is the foundation of what you do, and it cannot change on the fly. Hate us for bad seeding, fine. You would hate us more if we made changes at will.

This has been a standing policy since 2003. Next year will be the first time in MLG history that a calendar year will be treated as multiple seasons. Unfortunately this year, 2011, is not afforded that luxury.

I get where you're coming from, but just sticking with a clearly flawed system because 'that's how you do things' doesn't show much initiative. Yes, you might be compromising your principals, but if it makes it better for 99% of the people out there, why would you not take the leap and change things up? It's not a good thing to have 0 room for flexibility. For example, let's say you guys make a similar mistake next season and things look similar to how it is now (no plan or system is 100% foolproof). That would mean we would have another year of MLGs with a broken system.

With only 2 events to go, yeah it's probably too late to change things now, but I hope you guys are more open-minded about mending the rules mid-season next year.
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Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
September 16 2011 23:05 GMT
#296
Wow, going to be such a sick high level play championship bracket
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Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
September 16 2011 23:05 GMT
#297
I know for a fact there was a rule change in Halo: Reach about gametypes directly before MLG Raleigh... which ended up changing how ties were resolved between teams... which affected which team took first place in a pool at MLG Raleigh.

So, there is precedent to change rules mid-season, but I agree it's a bad idea to do so.
Remaker12
Profile Joined June 2011
United States105 Posts
September 16 2011 23:05 GMT
#298
Pool D... I'm getting nose bleeds just looking at it.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9014 Posts
September 16 2011 23:05 GMT
#299
No news about Hongun going to MLG?
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
September 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#300
I agree that it'd be very disrespectful to the player for MLG to change the rules now... They should just have thought of a better system in the first place and let's hope that next year we'll see some improvements about this all.

To all those saying that pool A is super easy... yeah it's clearly the easiest this time around, but Boxer and IdrA both are top players who could cause a surprise in this event! Never count out the emperor, just remember last time he was there, The others will obviously get rolled, but again it's not their fault, the system of ranking is to blame here.
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