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TheDiversion
Profile Joined August 2011
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:26:02
September 16 2011 23:22 GMT
#341
There goes my hopes that a foreigner is going to win, makes it worse that team Diginitas will be in Korea during the Tourney making it harder for one of the foreigners to win. ON TOP of which Hero' and MKP will be coming out of the open bracket and that's the koreans that we know of at the moment.. who knows how koreans FXOBoss will be sending to Orlando as well.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
September 16 2011 23:23 GMT
#342
Ouch...Mr. Control is out with a bang.
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
Jacob666
Profile Joined January 2011
United States285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:23:49
September 16 2011 23:23 GMT
#343
Predictions:

Pool A Pool B Pool C Pool D
Boxer Puma Rain MC
Drewbie Bomber Ret DRG
IdrA Sheth Hongun July
TLO Kiwikaki Slush Huk
Haypro InControl Machine Socke
minhbq299
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom566 Posts
September 16 2011 23:23 GMT
#344
On September 17 2011 08:13 minhbq299 wrote:
MC, Nestea, MVP is Code S champion several times, thus they should never go to Code A eventually they stop playing games and attending just for fun if GSL have a system like MLG, people on SotG like Artosis and Day9, Incontrol complain so much about the system in GSL code S, but I think that is much much better than the system in MLG, which most of them are working for and commenting in.
People like TLO, Haypro, Incontrol, Machine should be out for long time ago. I mean oh yeah, some people said they get high rank lol, they can not ranked LOWER than 28th because they are in POOL already, so stop excusing MLG system, and even look at this group, Group A is by far <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Group D or even B, maybe Incontrol make group B look weaker so.
Btw, I can take the underdog, lowest rated player in Group D, Socke, I think he can be the top favorite to win group A.

How is that system sound

Edit: Group C is kind of alright, Ret and Slush they are not bad I think but inconsistent, Rain is a beast actually, he is rank 1 in NA ladder for month with >86% winrate on GM (BcuzofuProS), even though he is not training in Korea anymore. Hongun may look bad in Code S, but he is still consistently Code S ro8 so he would be at least Rain level for sure, Machine single handily make that group look horrible )

Anyway, If you ban me for being unmanner or whatever, but I stated the true here and dont delete my post, put good argument or discussion with me other than ban me like some of abused mod here

Edit 2: oh I forgot how all the good players make a good run like Hero, Ganzi, NaDa, DeMusliM in previous MLG do not even get enough point to pool play, the pool would look much better if they replace some mediocre players.

SlayerS_Puzzle, oGsMC, Liquid'Hero, FXOz, ST.Parting, , NSHoseoJjakji, SlayerS_CoCa, DRG
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 16 2011 23:23 GMT
#345
On September 17 2011 08:17 Ryka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 08:15 kiy0 wrote:
The only real chance foreigners have is if IdrA somehow doesn't get cheesed in any of his pool play series. If he gets into the winners bracket semis, anything can happen.
Still, with MKP joining from the open bracket, along with Hero, Oz or HwangSin, it's safe to predict Koreans taking like 8 out of top 10 places.


They should take like all of the top 12 at least, almost none of the decent foreigners are attending!

Huk, Kiwi, Sheth, Idra (if he gets his head straight, but how likely is it?) can all place top 12 imo. I would add Socke too cause he is so good, but his group is just ridiculously hard. Huk will have an advantage (over Socke) just because he knows the Koreans in the group better. I don't see the group going much better for Huk than Socke though...

Also if Demuslim makes it up through the open bracket I can see him making some noise if the championship bracket falls in his favor a bit.
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Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
September 16 2011 23:24 GMT
#346
On September 17 2011 08:22 TheDiversion wrote:
There goes my hopes that a foreigner is going to win, makes it worse that team Diginitas will be in Korea during the Tourney making it harder for one of the foreigners to win. ON TOP of which Hero' and MKP will be coming out of the open bracket and that's of those that we know of at the moment.. who knows how koreans FXOBoss will be sending to Orlando as well.

It's ok...maybe one will make top 12. Be optimistic. xD
TheDiversion
Profile Joined August 2011
United States36 Posts
September 16 2011 23:24 GMT
#347
On September 17 2011 08:24 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 08:22 TheDiversion wrote:
There goes my hopes that a foreigner is going to win, makes it worse that team Diginitas will be in Korea during the Tourney making it harder for one of the foreigners to win. ON TOP of which Hero' and MKP will be coming out of the open bracket and that's of those that we know of at the moment.. who knows how koreans FXOBoss will be sending to Orlando as well.

It's ok...maybe one will make top 12. Be optimistic. xD


Haha, +1
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
September 16 2011 23:24 GMT
#348
On September 17 2011 08:04 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 08:00 Angelbelow wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:57 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:54 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.



Again. Will never happen. If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing. That is the foundation of what you do, and it cannot change on the fly. Hate us for bad seeding, fine. You would hate us more if we made changes at will.

What about the NBA switching balls mid-season after players complained about the new material? The NFL has made mid-season changes as well.


They changed balls because they were physically hurting the players.

Thats not an appropriate analogy.

How about the playoff series game number change? Stern announced they were going from bo5s to bo7s midseason.

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 08:03 huameng wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:57 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:54 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:52 Jibba wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:44 Jibba wrote:
MLG needs to be more flexible, and willing to fix their problems mid-season. I don't see any downside to eliminating and revamping the current point system.

I doubt the players hurt by it would complain.



We would never announce a rule and qualification set and change it mid season. It would not be fair to those that competed at the beginning under those rules.

Next year we are revamping the seeds completely.

Yes, that's why you need to be more flexible. I understand that you view the entire circuit as a season, and that each junction in it should be 100% equal, but that's not how anyone else views it and it holds your product back. We get an inferior product (worse pool play) because of it.

You have a bad point system. You have a relatively small prize pool. It's a new event, not game 5 of a 5 game season. You should make the jump and correct those shortcomings. No one from game/events 1-4 will seriously complain about improvements being made mid-season.



Again. Will never happen. If you cannot rest on your rules, you have nothing. That is the foundation of what you do, and it cannot change on the fly. Hate us for bad seeding, fine. You would hate us more if we made changes at will.

What about the NBA switching balls mid-season after players complained about the new material? The NFL has made mid-season changes as well.


If the NFL sees that a 5-9 team is tied for 1st place in their division, they don't switch them out with a random 9-5 team from some other division to make sure there isn't a blowout in the playoffs. You cannot make a system like MLG did, which highly influences the choices teams make, (to come to as many MLGs as possible, especially the really soft first one) and then abandon it because it isn't giving you the results you want. Sometimes you have to stick with your bad decisions, because to do otherwise would, while giving you a better product for most people, ruin your credibility and trustworthiness.

Certainly MLG is comfortable changing maps and such, which is more in line with your analogy IMO.

That is only if you view it as a single season to begin with, which I'm arguing is the initial mistake. Every major tournament uses placement from past events to determine seeds/invitations to future events. They just don't connect them in this way. DH is the perfect example.


BTW, I agree with your points too and I see where youre coming from. I also think the system is flawed and guys like Machine, Inc, TLO, haypro should be out already. I just think it would be even worse if they changed their system mid way. Theyve already announced plans to fix them next year so theyre obviously aware of it as well. And I dont think the seeding has hurt the results in anyway, the most deserving players always hit up top 8.

It does suck for people like Demulism and Hero to not get pool play but all of that will change.

You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
September 16 2011 23:25 GMT
#349
Good line up cant wait to be there to watch this
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Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
September 16 2011 23:25 GMT
#350
my favorite matches:
1. Puma vs Bomber
2. MC vs Dongregu
3. Huk vs MC
4. July vs DongreGu

and the super epic of epic match.........
TLO VS BOXER!!!!!!!!!!
esports
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
September 16 2011 23:25 GMT
#351
puma vs bomber And mc vs drg!
group d ftw
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
September 16 2011 23:26 GMT
#352
MLG is officially becoming mini-GSL, code-S drop-out's rescue mission. Not necessarily a bad thing, I guess, but we will have to see what happens next year.
TheDiversion
Profile Joined August 2011
United States36 Posts
September 16 2011 23:26 GMT
#353
I think MLG needs to have 4 streams now for this action!
Luftmensch
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
277 Posts
September 16 2011 23:27 GMT
#354
If Idra doesn't get 1st in group A, he should no longer be considered a top player.
Group B is pretty good (the only underdog is Incontrol).
Group C should be decided between Ret and HongUn.
Group D is sick! Sick I tell you!
You are now breathing manually
tsango
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia214 Posts
September 16 2011 23:28 GMT
#355
On September 17 2011 08:13 minhbq299 wrote:
MC, Nestea, MVP is Code S champion several times, thus they should never go to Code A eventually they stop playing games and attending just for fun if GSL have a system like MLG, people on SotG like Artosis and Day9, Incontrol complain so much about the system in GSL code S, but I think that is much much better than the system in MLG, which most of them are working for and commenting in.
People like TLO, Haypro, Incontrol, Machine should be out for long time ago. I mean oh yeah, some people said they get high rank lol, they can not ranked LOWER than 28th because they are in POOL already.


Interesting point, it's funny the GSL system gets so much criticism when MLG's own ranking system is as bad as it is.

With that being said, group D... damn.

It's good to see such a strong showing by the Koreans too, so we should end up with some really good games to watch :D

HongUn FIGHTING!!!
If you dont like something, then that should be reason enough to try and change it
phanto
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden708 Posts
September 16 2011 23:28 GMT
#356
Group A = Group of roflmao. Definitely B-division players compared to the other groups.
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
September 16 2011 23:28 GMT
#357
On September 17 2011 08:26 TheDiversion wrote:
I think MLG needs to have 4 streams now for this action!


I agree, I want to see every single Group D game for obvious reasons, and have little interest in A+C.
Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
September 16 2011 23:30 GMT
#358
idras got a pretty ez group. Lets hope he can make something happen this MLG!
4 Corners in a day.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
September 16 2011 23:30 GMT
#359
On September 17 2011 06:54 Choboo wrote:
Worst MLG ever. Seriously without Naniwa, Sjow and Select foreigners have no chance. The only European on that list except for the liquid guys is Socke T__T gg wp Koreans...

wtf lol? Huk had been the highest ranked foreign player at almost every single mlg (except the one idra did well in. So maybe you should revise, unless you consider him a korean.
~~~Liquid Fighting (SC2)~~~
lizzard_warish
Profile Joined June 2011
589 Posts
September 16 2011 23:30 GMT
#360
I dont understand the pool system, when incontrol goes 0-5 in groups, will he FINALLY be unseeded?
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