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On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money.
You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one.
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On September 05 2011 12:20 hydra21 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:10 Doodsmack wrote:
If Sixjax really is threatening to sue their players for leaving, they need to be outted hardcore and boycotted by the community. Know what's funny? All of you are buying into what skew said. Do any of you remember the fact they released skew from his contract and this was the announcement? "As of today Alex 'Skew' Brola will no longer be representing Sixjax Gaming. Though Skew is a fantastic player, and a good friend, his wants and vision as a player differed from our wants and vision as a team. After many conversations on the matter both parties realized it would be in everyone's best interest to release him. The entire Sixjax Gaming organization wishes him the best as his Starcraft II career continues elsewhere." They had a conversation, and they realized he wanted different things and they let him go does that sound anything like what he describes now? And by the way, even if it is true, are you kidding me regarding them not having the right to sue players if they violate their contracts? What's the point of even having a contract at that point? Are you seriously that clueless? Do you not get there is money involved in all of this? This isn't a freaking hobby
It's not about having the right to sue, it's about using threats as an intimidation tactic when your prospects of a successful lawsuit are slim and/or such lawsuit wouldn't be worth the time and money. The question is whether they're creating an atmosphere of fear with their threats (as Skew suggested, although admittedly he has not backed it up). I should have clarified more in my post, in which case you hopefully wouldn't have resorted to exaggerations like "do you really not know that you can be sued if you break a contract???".
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On September 05 2011 12:33 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. I'm pretty sure being sued is ruining yours and your family's life.
I'm pretty sure you're 14 years old and $500 sounds like an incredible sum of money to you, but being sued is not ruining someone's life.
Please, if you have no idea what you're talking about, refrain from making these kinds of comments.
There's NO possible way that a contract that involves a $300/month salary and free travel to "some" paid events would ever result in someone getting sued for a life-changing amount of money. Just because it sounds life-changing to someone in high school doesn't mean it would ruin someone's life.
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On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one.
I'm not "clutching straws", what the fuck is wrong with you?
"Having an effect on your family" IS NOT THE SAME AS "life-ruining".
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Another thing that has to be considered is that MajOr and his family probably cannot afford to hire an attorney and probably do not have a strong grasp of the legal system. Even if the contract was legally in MajOr's favor (And lets be honest its probably not) if he were to go to court with SixJax without an attorney while they did, he would probably lose. Also, public defendants are very hit or miss, mainly being miss. Most of them suck dick or don't care about their clients. Not to mention, how would it go down, US court? International court? There's plenty of things that could happen and for a young kid getting sued is pretty life-changing/ending.
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On September 05 2011 12:27 sixjaxMajor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. skew is right he was in sixjax and he had to witness many time i was threated to be sued if i leave the team
thanks for your side of the story
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On September 05 2011 12:37 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one. I'm not "clutching straws", what the fuck is wrong with you? "Having an effect on your family" IS NOT THE SAME AS "life-ruining".
I completely agree with Destiny.
The worst that Major and his Mom would go through would be hiring a lawyer. I doubt judicial resources would even be wasted on such a ridiculous lawsuit, it would never go to trial.
Still wouldn't be cheap though...
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On September 05 2011 12:34 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:30 Primadog wrote:
Being sued is life-ruining, Destiny. Not really. Terminal cancer or going to jail is life-ruining. Being sued for whatever-thousands of dollars is just shitty. Although threatening to sue someone is a shitty way to do business.
I won't go into my life story, since that's way off topic, but here's a case of some TL kid got (threatened) sued http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=261229
Of course, the circumstances are different: while the counterparty in boon's situation simply wants some money, sixjax (according to skew and major) wants to ruin the kids life through court. In that case, they will certainly drag the shit out if they want to. Let me do the simple math for you, $350/hr court cost, $150/hr office cost. If sixjax wants to play ugly, they can drag the case up for two weeks. The in-court fees can easily go over 100 hours and out-of-court will double that amount. Even if sixjax lost, the legal fees would be in the tens of thousands. If sixjax wants to play dirty and use the court as a weapon, as alluded to by skew and major.
That, will be life-ruining. Not even considering all the mental and familial strain all these will result.
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On September 05 2011 12:37 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one. I'm not "clutching straws", what the fuck is wrong with you? "Having an effect on your family" IS NOT THE SAME AS "life-ruining".
Depends on the family, you don't know their situation, financially or otherwise. Even if they were only sued for say a grand, that could be their entire life savings. Getting legal representation and going thru the whole legal process will wipe that out, specially if they lose. Then what, all their money is gone. Seems to be life ruining to me.
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On September 05 2011 12:40 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:34 Defacer wrote:On September 05 2011 12:30 Primadog wrote:
Being sued is life-ruining, Destiny. Not really. Terminal cancer or going to jail is life-ruining. Being sued for whatever-thousands of dollars is just shitty. Although threatening to sue someone is a shitty way to do business. I won't go into my life story, since that's way off topic, but here's a case of some TL kid got (threatened) sued http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=261229Of course, the circumstances are different: while the counterparty in boon's situation simply wants some money, sixjax (according to skew and major) wants to ruin the kids life through court. In that case, they will certainly drag the shit out if they want to. Let me do the simple math for you, $350/hr court cost, $150/hr office cost. If sixjax wants to play ugly, they can drag the case up for two weeks. The in-court fees can easily go over 100 hours and out-of-court will double that amount. Even if sixjax lost, the legal fees would be in the tens of thousands. If sixjax wants to play dirty and use the court as a weapon, as alluded to by skew and major. That, will be life-ruining.
LOL Primadog you have certainly been watching a lot of court dramas haven't you 
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On September 05 2011 12:39 Chriscras wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:37 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one. I'm not "clutching straws", what the fuck is wrong with you? "Having an effect on your family" IS NOT THE SAME AS "life-ruining". I completely agree with Destiny. The worst that Major and his Mom would go through would be hiring a lawyer. I doubt judicial resources would even be wasted on such a ridiculous lawsuit, it would never go to trial. Still wouldn't be cheap though...
depending on the money involved it might even just make it to small claims(usually max is 5-10k) depending where you live.
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On September 05 2011 12:39 Chriscras wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:37 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one. I'm not "clutching straws", what the fuck is wrong with you? "Having an effect on your family" IS NOT THE SAME AS "life-ruining". I completely agree with Destiny. The worst that Major and his Mom would go through would be hiring a lawyer. I doubt judicial resources would even be wasted on such a ridiculous lawsuit, it would never go to trial. Still wouldn't be cheap though...
Have you actually seen some of the lawsuits that make it to court, ridiculous is the norm not the exception.
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On September 05 2011 12:43 Chriscras wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:40 Primadog wrote:On September 05 2011 12:34 Defacer wrote:On September 05 2011 12:30 Primadog wrote:
Being sued is life-ruining, Destiny. Not really. Terminal cancer or going to jail is life-ruining. Being sued for whatever-thousands of dollars is just shitty. Although threatening to sue someone is a shitty way to do business. I won't go into my life story, since that's way off topic, but here's a case of some TL kid got (threatened) sued http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=261229Of course, the circumstances are different: while the counterparty in boon's situation simply wants some money, sixjax (according to skew and major) wants to ruin the kids life through court. In that case, they will certainly drag the shit out if they want to. Let me do the simple math for you, $350/hr court cost, $150/hr office cost. If sixjax wants to play ugly, they can drag the case up for two weeks. The in-court fees can easily go over 100 hours and out-of-court will double that amount. Even if sixjax lost, the legal fees would be in the tens of thousands. If sixjax wants to play dirty and use the court as a weapon, as alluded to by skew and major. That, will be life-ruining. LOL Primadog you have certainly been watching a lot of court dramas haven't you
I wish. Been through these shit way too many times. It sucks balls.
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On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one.
Small claims court cases where the amount of money doesn't exceed $1500 or so don't necessarily have an affect on your family. It's hard to imagine that Sixjax has a claim to a substantial amount of damages as a result of a broken contract. The only thing I can think of is lost advertising revenue as a result of not getting exposure from that player at tournaments, but it would be too difficult to prove that lost revenue. It's such a tenuous connection - player wears sixjax shirt/plugs sixjax at MLG tournament in which that player finished 56th --> fan visits sixjax.com and spends money because of that player's promotion. How does Sixjax quantify that lost revenue in court - did they see a bump in site activity following previous MLGs that they can use a benchmark? Highly unlikely. Maybe if teams get a piece of players' stream ad income, Sixjax would have more of a leg to stand on in a lawsuit, but I doubt that's the case and even if it is, it's probably not enough to justify a lawsuit.
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On September 05 2011 12:44 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:43 Chriscras wrote:On September 05 2011 12:40 Primadog wrote:On September 05 2011 12:34 Defacer wrote:On September 05 2011 12:30 Primadog wrote:
Being sued is life-ruining, Destiny. Not really. Terminal cancer or going to jail is life-ruining. Being sued for whatever-thousands of dollars is just shitty. Although threatening to sue someone is a shitty way to do business. I won't go into my life story, since that's way off topic, but here's a case of some TL kid got (threatened) sued http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=261229Of course, the circumstances are different: while the counterparty in boon's situation simply wants some money, sixjax (according to skew and major) wants to ruin the kids life through court. In that case, they will certainly drag the shit out if they want to. Let me do the simple math for you, $350/hr court cost, $150/hr office cost. If sixjax wants to play ugly, they can drag the case up for two weeks. The in-court fees can easily go over 100 hours and out-of-court will double that amount. Even if sixjax lost, the legal fees would be in the tens of thousands. If sixjax wants to play dirty and use the court as a weapon, as alluded to by skew and major. That, will be life-ruining. LOL Primadog you have certainly been watching a lot of court dramas haven't you I wish. Been through these shit way too many times. It sucks balls.
Well then, for you to have gone to trial on multiple occasions I feel very sorry for you 
But you must have been dealing with legal issues far beyond what Major's contract with Sixjax contained. Especially if Sixjax couldn't even be bothered to pay for Juan's travel.
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On September 05 2011 12:40 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:34 Defacer wrote:On September 05 2011 12:30 Primadog wrote:
Being sued is life-ruining, Destiny. Not really. Terminal cancer or going to jail is life-ruining. Being sued for whatever-thousands of dollars is just shitty. Although threatening to sue someone is a shitty way to do business. I won't go into my life story, since that's way off topic, but here's a case of some TL kid got (threatened) sued http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=261229Of course, the circumstances are different: while the counterparty in boon's situation simply wants some money, sixjax (according to skew and major) wants to ruin the kids life through court. In that case, they will certainly drag the shit out if they want to. Let me do the simple math for you, $350/hr court cost, $150/hr office cost. If sixjax wants to play ugly, they can drag the case up for two weeks. The in-court fees can easily go over 100 hours and out-of-court will double that amount. Even if sixjax lost, the legal fees would be in the tens of thousands. If sixjax wants to play dirty and use the court as a weapon, as alluded to by skew and major. That, will be life-ruining. Not even considering all the mental and familial strain all these will result.
Sixjax is not a gigantic corporation with a team of bored lawyers on retainer, and former SJ players will not need to hire full-time legal counsel to handle anything they might reasonably take to small claims court; what are you going on about?
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the only thing I could think of is that Sixjax had penalty clause for breaking contract early and it's some exorbitant amount.
don't forget court costs etc, in some cases you have to also cover plaintiff's costs too, but I might be wrong don't quote me on that part.
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Ya, I doubt sixjax will really go to trial over these petty contracts. However, if they are even intimating such, then that's a serious problem that should be call out on and the community should look into.
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On September 05 2011 12:44 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:39 Chriscras wrote:On September 05 2011 12:37 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one. I'm not "clutching straws", what the fuck is wrong with you? "Having an effect on your family" IS NOT THE SAME AS "life-ruining". I completely agree with Destiny. The worst that Major and his Mom would go through would be hiring a lawyer. I doubt judicial resources would even be wasted on such a ridiculous lawsuit, it would never go to trial. Still wouldn't be cheap though... Have you actually seen some of the lawsuits that make it to court, ridiculous is the norm not the exception.
Not true, you've probably read too many media stories about crazy lawsuits.
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If you get sued by a company that can throw money away, they have nothing to lose. I don't care about the terms used (like destiny is arguing), whether the case is life-ruining or not, that is ridiculous.
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