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On September 05 2011 12:55 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:53 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 12:49 Doodsmack wrote:On September 05 2011 12:44 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 12:39 Chriscras wrote:On September 05 2011 12:37 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:
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I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it.
Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one. I'm not "clutching straws", what the fuck is wrong with you? "Having an effect on your family" IS NOT THE SAME AS "life-ruining". I completely agree with Destiny. The worst that Major and his Mom would go through would be hiring a lawyer. I doubt judicial resources would even be wasted on such a ridiculous lawsuit, it would never go to trial. Still wouldn't be cheap though... Have you actually seen some of the lawsuits that make it to court, ridiculous is the norm not the exception. Not true, you've probably read too many media stories about crazy lawsuits. Please peruse these lovely examples http://www.all-top-10-lists.com/7-top-stupid-lawsuits-that-won-big-money/2009/07/ Lol you're using that as evidence for the "norm" in the US legal system?
Fine, I'll just leave it at just google 'stupid lawsuits that won'. Not going to argue all night on tangential issue.
Edit: added the 'that won' part
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On September 05 2011 12:58 x6Paramore wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:03 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 05 2011 11:42 x6Paramore wrote:On September 05 2011 11:35 Vendor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2011 10:52 x6Paramore wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 10:51 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 10:45 x6Paramore wrote:On September 05 2011 10:33 TitleRug wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! thanks for the explanation Give me a fucking break. First of all, if they aren't paying for you to go to MLG, they can't afford to hire a lawyer to sue you in the first place. Second of all, you probably can't get sued because there are a ton of ways to get out of it. Third, and this is probably most important of all, the only reason they would ever sue you is for damages. These damages would have to cover the amount of money they use to sue you (hiring a lawyer that they can't afford) and not to mention, you would have to have money in the first place. Given that you are all gamers playing 9-5 for months on end (as mentioned in your post), I doubt you have any fucking money whatsoever. So therefore "lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued" is a fucking load of shit. Walk away from the clan if you feel like it, seriously. You are assuming that they can't afford to send people to MLG as opposed to WON'T send people there, big difference. In other words, they most likely do have the money to spend, they just don't want to spend it unless they needed to, eg legal action. Trust me... even if this ever went to being sued. Nobody would win. No one has to win, depending on how the contracts are written they defiantly would have the legal right to sue you as a player if you tried to leave your contract. Of course no one would win but it would come down to loss of money. A company that makes tons of money vs a gamer who makes very little. The company could make life very difficult for a gamer due to this. You seem to be under the impression that sixjax has money. I'm sorry ^_^. Please find one piece of information that says they dont. The part where this is empty. http://sixjaxgaming.com/page/sponsor
Having sponsors doesnt mean that they have money. Same as not having sponsors doesnt mean they dont.
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On September 05 2011 12:51 ReignFayth wrote:
what good would that do sixjax anyway? if they actually do sue one of their previous member, everybody is just gonna turn their back on sixjax and their organization goes down the drain....
so they'd do this out of spite?
The people who run Sixjax would threaten Major privately in hopes he would continue to represent them publicly.
It makes complete sense from a last resort negotiating standpoint, happens all the time. Obviously they were just threats though since they announced his "release" in the OP of this thread :|
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On September 05 2011 12:59 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:55 Doodsmack wrote:On September 05 2011 12:53 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 12:49 Doodsmack wrote:On September 05 2011 12:44 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 12:39 Chriscras wrote:On September 05 2011 12:37 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:
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My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one. I'm not "clutching straws", what the fuck is wrong with you? "Having an effect on your family" IS NOT THE SAME AS "life-ruining". I completely agree with Destiny. The worst that Major and his Mom would go through would be hiring a lawyer. I doubt judicial resources would even be wasted on such a ridiculous lawsuit, it would never go to trial. Still wouldn't be cheap though... Have you actually seen some of the lawsuits that make it to court, ridiculous is the norm not the exception. Not true, you've probably read too many media stories about crazy lawsuits. Please peruse these lovely examples http://www.all-top-10-lists.com/7-top-stupid-lawsuits-that-won-big-money/2009/07/ Lol you're using that as evidence for the "norm" in the US legal system? Fine, I'll just leave it at just google 'stupid lawsuits'. Not going to argue all night on tangential issue.
i did and most "stupid lawsuits" got dismissed
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I don't get why people are surprised that people sue for breaching a contract. If there wasn't a penalty for breaking your contract, that would sort of defeat the point of having one.
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On September 05 2011 12:57 stormchaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:55 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:On September 05 2011 12:50 stormchaser wrote:
If you get sued by a company that can throw money away, they have nothing to lose. I don't care about the terms used (like destiny is arguing), whether the case is life-ruining or not, that is ridiculous. But is sixjax wealthy enough to throw money away? I seriously doubt that That I don't know either, but from looking at their website, they have a similar business model as lockerz. Also a company i wouldn't trust.
Indeed. Unless more internet-browsing people are, for lack of a better term, more stupid than I previously believed, I don't see either of those sites making a huge profit from their dealings
I'd wager most of their stuff is 'bought' by their own bots -.-
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On September 05 2011 12:53 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:49 Doodsmack wrote:On September 05 2011 12:44 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 12:39 Chriscras wrote:On September 05 2011 12:37 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:
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It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard.
And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys.
Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?)
ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one. I'm not "clutching straws", what the fuck is wrong with you? "Having an effect on your family" IS NOT THE SAME AS "life-ruining". I completely agree with Destiny. The worst that Major and his Mom would go through would be hiring a lawyer. I doubt judicial resources would even be wasted on such a ridiculous lawsuit, it would never go to trial. Still wouldn't be cheap though... Have you actually seen some of the lawsuits that make it to court, ridiculous is the norm not the exception. Not true, you've probably read too many media stories about crazy lawsuits. Please peruse these lovely examples http://www.all-top-10-lists.com/7-top-stupid-lawsuits-that-won-big-money/2009/07/
At least one of those is completely fictional that I can tell. Probably all of them knowing how notorious these types of stories are for being made up.
On the subject of being sued though I don't see why people are jumping to conclusions on either side. Without knowing what is in the contract its pretty useless to speculate about how much Sixjax could rightfully claim. Though even if it isn't much I can still think of a whole bunch of trumped up bullshit a shady company could come up with that would certainly ruin my life, and I'm no 14 year old. The legal fees are the real problem. Trust being sued is no joke, especially when its by someone way bigger than you, and when they can make a decently convincing case that you breached contract (assuming they carried through on their threat had one of the players left not been released).
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should there be another thread made regarding the whole suing revelation?
It seems like a serious topic we should call attention to
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lol sixjax what a fucking joke
I love it when they promise a million things to high potential players like Juan only to fail to deliver on all the important promises. Juan you deserve better! Goto korea and become the next FlaSh
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On September 05 2011 13:04 pbjsandwich wrote:
should there be another thread made regarding the whole suing revelation?
It seems like a serious topic we should call attention to
its not really serious imo until they sue. and even when they due they haev a right to sue if the contract was breached. Most esports teams dont sue players just for the simple fact they dont want bad publicity.
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On September 05 2011 12:53 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:49 Doodsmack wrote:On September 05 2011 12:44 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 12:39 Chriscras wrote:On September 05 2011 12:37 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:35 TheHova wrote:On September 05 2011 12:27 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 12:23 TechSC wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:
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It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard.
And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys.
Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?)
ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. My guess is he'd eluding to the fact that if a contract is broken, you can be sued. Being sued can definitely ruin your life and your families life. It depends on the terms of the contract. Just because you're being "sued" doesn't mean it will destroy your life. If I make a contract with you that you have to pay me $50 if I show up to your friend's birthday party, and then I skip out on it, you can't suddenly take me to court for $100000000000000 and my first-born son. I seriously doubt anything in any pro gaming contract would give a company enough lee-way to sue for any dramatic amount of money. You're clutching at straws here. Any sort of legal case is going to an effect on your family, and usually a negative one. I'm not "clutching straws", what the fuck is wrong with you? "Having an effect on your family" IS NOT THE SAME AS "life-ruining". I completely agree with Destiny. The worst that Major and his Mom would go through would be hiring a lawyer. I doubt judicial resources would even be wasted on such a ridiculous lawsuit, it would never go to trial. Still wouldn't be cheap though... Have you actually seen some of the lawsuits that make it to court, ridiculous is the norm not the exception. Not true, you've probably read too many media stories about crazy lawsuits. Please peruse these lovely examples http://www.all-top-10-lists.com/7-top-stupid-lawsuits-that-won-big-money/2009/07/
Why are you using the most extreme cases that don't reflect the majority of the court cases?
you are just proving him that you do read a lot on crazy lawsuits lol
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On September 05 2011 13:06 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 13:04 pbjsandwich wrote:
should there be another thread made regarding the whole suing revelation?
It seems like a serious topic we should call attention to its not really serious imo until they sue. and even when they due they haev a right to sue if the contract was breached. Most esports teams dont sue players just for the simple fact they dont want bad publicity.
the fact that they threaten players is what i'm more concerned about
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I have serious doubt over the credibility of the threat, but making a legal threat in the first place is bad behavior from the owner/manager, and if true, should be looked into.
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I dont know much about sixjax, but I thought they started going downhill since they dropped their wow division back in April(may)?. I don't think it was a sponsored team or something, I think it was just a couple of writers who were paid. Ahwell, gl to major hope he does better.
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On September 05 2011 13:07 pbjsandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 13:06 Falcor wrote:On September 05 2011 13:04 pbjsandwich wrote:
should there be another thread made regarding the whole suing revelation?
It seems like a serious topic we should call attention to its not really serious imo until they sue. and even when they due they haev a right to sue if the contract was breached. Most esports teams dont sue players just for the simple fact they dont want bad publicity. the fact that they threaten players is what i'm more concerned about
whats wrong with saying if your break your contract and leave we'll sue you? If you dont want to be bound to a team dont sign a long contract.
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On September 05 2011 13:07 Primadog wrote:
I have serious doubt over the credibility of the threat, but making a legal threat in the first place is bad behavior from the owner/manager, and if true, should be looked into.
yeah i question it too
but that's a serious accusation by 2 former players. It really should be looked into imo
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On September 05 2011 13:04 pbjsandwich wrote:
should there be another thread made regarding the whole suing revelation?
It seems like a serious topic we should call attention to
I don't think a thread based on hearsay is warranted, especially without an incident to discuss.
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On September 05 2011 12:58 x6Paramore wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:03 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 05 2011 11:42 x6Paramore wrote:On September 05 2011 11:35 Vendor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2011 10:52 x6Paramore wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 10:51 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 10:45 x6Paramore wrote:On September 05 2011 10:33 TitleRug wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! thanks for the explanation Give me a fucking break. First of all, if they aren't paying for you to go to MLG, they can't afford to hire a lawyer to sue you in the first place. Second of all, you probably can't get sued because there are a ton of ways to get out of it. Third, and this is probably most important of all, the only reason they would ever sue you is for damages. These damages would have to cover the amount of money they use to sue you (hiring a lawyer that they can't afford) and not to mention, you would have to have money in the first place. Given that you are all gamers playing 9-5 for months on end (as mentioned in your post), I doubt you have any fucking money whatsoever. So therefore "lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued" is a fucking load of shit. Walk away from the clan if you feel like it, seriously. You are assuming that they can't afford to send people to MLG as opposed to WON'T send people there, big difference. In other words, they most likely do have the money to spend, they just don't want to spend it unless they needed to, eg legal action. Trust me... even if this ever went to being sued. Nobody would win. No one has to win, depending on how the contracts are written they defiantly would have the legal right to sue you as a player if you tried to leave your contract. Of course no one would win but it would come down to loss of money. A company that makes tons of money vs a gamer who makes very little. The company could make life very difficult for a gamer due to this. You seem to be under the impression that sixjax has money. I'm sorry ^_^. Please find one piece of information that says they dont. The part where this is empty. http://sixjaxgaming.com/page/sponsor
sixjax is the company that sponsors the team. similar to FXOpen sponsoring team FXO. They have money  sixjax.com is the sponsor O_o
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On September 05 2011 13:08 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 13:07 pbjsandwich wrote:On September 05 2011 13:06 Falcor wrote:On September 05 2011 13:04 pbjsandwich wrote:
should there be another thread made regarding the whole suing revelation?
It seems like a serious topic we should call attention to its not really serious imo until they sue. and even when they due they haev a right to sue if the contract was breached. Most esports teams dont sue players just for the simple fact they dont want bad publicity. the fact that they threaten players is what i'm more concerned about whats wrong with saying if your break your contract and leave we'll sue you? If you dont want to be bound to a team dont sign a long contract.
I agree, I don't see the issue.
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On September 05 2011 12:36 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 12:33 TheHova wrote:On September 05 2011 12:17 Destiny wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 Skew wrote:On September 05 2011 06:07 Mordiford wrote:On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote:
lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in? Just to stir up some stupid drama? It's not my place to tell you the specifics of why players on Sixjax don't like it, but to point out the fact that MajOr isn't the only one that is unhappy. So certain folks acting like he got removed because of the SEA shit or because he clan hops is a retard. And I guess I should say it's to do with Sixjax specifically, not Evoli or Artosis. How anyone could NOT like either of those guys. Basically we have a lot of "progamers" spending 9-5s months on end practicing SC2 for our enjoyment, and they're taken advantage of by companies (teams) that don't even PRETEND to give a shit. Yea, maybe it's not their place to. Sixjax isn't the only one to blame though, but with the recent incidents it just solidifies how fucking little they care. They basically get free advertising for .50 cents an hour (think about that) with the only promise that the players would get to go to a single LAN event to grow their names, and then they're like "Ahhhhh shit we forgot about that event guys, but at least we pay you in monopoly money to make up for it! And here's a free shirt with our retarded ass logo to go with it so you can brag about doing something and not getting paid for it!" Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life (nah that part had to be made up right?) ESPORTS! I don't know much about your history with sixjax because I don't really follow this stuff, not too much, but you CANNOT make claims like "Oh and even though we don't do shit for you, if you try to leave we'll ruin you and your family's life" without something serious to back it up. It's pretty irresponsible/drama-inciting with little to no factual information behind it. Either elaborate more on this or stay out of these kinds of threads. I'm pretty sure being sued is ruining yours and your family's life. I'm pretty sure you're 14 years old and $500 sounds like an incredible sum of money to you, but being sued is not ruining someone's life. Please, if you have no idea what you're talking about, refrain from making these kinds of comments. There's NO possible way that a contract that involves a $300/month salary and free travel to "some" paid events would ever result in someone getting sued for a life-changing amount of money. Just because it sounds life-changing to someone in high school doesn't mean it would ruin someone's life.
Major was given salary and sent to events. The K might stip. that if breached he'd have to pay back some salary + what it cost sj to send him to events. Could be plenty of ks. You make quite a bit of cash, but to Major and his family 3-5k might be huge.
Now, whether that penalty would hold up in court would be a whole nother issue. But fighting it would probably cost even more.
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