Why 1/1/1 is considered to be imbalanced in Korea - Page 27

On August 22 2011 09:12 Heavenly wrote:
I think stealing the gas forces one more marine before the reactor or something, doesn't really matter that much.

On August 22 2011 09:12 PPTouch wrote:


Maybe not by much, but something is better than nothing

On August 22 2011 09:08 Jinivus wrote:

When I say considered OP I don't mean by a random bronze guy on the strategy forum. I mean strats like 5 rax reaper and deathball that were generally accepted to be insanely abusive and needing of tweaks.

On August 22 2011 08:53 Markwerf wrote:
I think the fundamental problem here is just that terran can't be scouted easily (they can hide their tech builds or whatever quite easily). That combined with the fact the orbital can fly makes T really strong when they force the game into a 1 base vs 1 base situation.

I suspect one of these two changes will be coming up fairly soon:
- orbital commands can't lift anymore. Makes the dreaded inbase expansion easier to scout as they have to float out earlier and nerfs the 1 basing somewhat.
- marine health down to 40, combat shields gives them 55.

I probably expect the latter change to be it, marine based pressure maps has been too strong on small maps basically for the entire game and a simple nerf to the unupgraded marine will fix this. In return they could even buff the research time for combat shield a little bit if neccesary imo. On big maps this change should hardly matter anyway.

On August 22 2011 09:11 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:


so you want protoss to be able to fast expo, scout everything and be safe to all terran allins?

lol

On August 22 2011 09:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Imbalance changes every month. But nobody ever learns.

On August 22 2011 09:11 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:


so you want protoss to be able to fast expo, scout everything and be safe to all terran allins?

lol

On August 22 2011 09:23 Gentso wrote:
Man this game has been out for a year. This is just another imbalance "FOTM". It'll be solved soon(ish). I haven't played in forever but it seems like Protoss might want to start opening with stargate for now.

On August 22 2011 09:23 Jayrod wrote:

except what does terran scout when they decide to 1/1/1 all in? Don't worry I'll wait...

This game should be about scouting and adapting and when BOTH players are doing so it can lead to mind games, innovative strategies, and close games. Terrans can decide pre-game theyre going to 1/1/1 and have an absurd success rate. If scouted, still near impossible to hold. The 1/1/1 is not a reactive build at all. Its a precise and well timed build that is designed to beat 90% of all protoss builds. Who wouldnt roll the dice with those odds?

On August 22 2011 09:02 monitor wrote:
I think one major factor people aren't considering is maps- they can fix imbalances. For example, if we were to take away 1-2 mineral patches (reduce from 8 to 7 or 6) in the main, then 1base would be less effective because you couldn't get as much income when saturated.

On August 22 2011 09:24 Aookami wrote:
i think that a 30-40 sec delay on siege tech would fix this, allowing the protoss to get more units and not causing any disturb in the current state of the game (there are no builds that are countered by siege tech (like a 4gate is countered by immortals))

EDIT: typo