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To3-Knee
Canada100 Posts
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:38 To3-Knee wrote: Not entirely related, but say a toss goes stargate opener and scouts a 1/1/1. What is the proper response? Forge + cannon at main and natural immediately? Is it fast enough to stop a cloaked banshee attack that usually comes before the 2 tank push? You need that money for units or they're going to easily siege you up and kill your natural. | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:24 jackalope1234 wrote: Well I've always just killed the terran while expoing and teching slower to ht by making more stalkers when they tried to do it vs me. Do you still want reps? The early pressure also is nice cause in some of my reps when there wasnt a bunker right away it makes them unable to get a reactor or slows the reactor as they need the extra marines and cant wait for a reactor to build. Yes, post as many replays as you can please, it's always useful for everyone =) btw, in the case of a 1gate FE into robot, does someone knows at what time/probe number is it better to stop making probes ? | ||
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hugedong
United States510 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:41 DertoQq wrote: Yes, post as many replays as you can please, it's always useful for everyone =) btw, in the case of a 1gate FE into robot, does someone knows at what time/probe number is it better to stop making probes ? 35 probes to produce off of 5 gates and the occasional immortal | ||
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Oldboysctv
Canada58 Posts
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:46 hugedong wrote: 35 probes to produce off of 5 gates and the occasional immortal better on 3 gaz like incontrol said or 2 gaz ? | ||
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ProxyZooZ
United States53 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:46 Oldboysctv wrote: this was really well written up, kinda reminds me of zerg and you have to do a coin toss to guess right it could be x or y. and if you guess wrong your dead. im glad i dont play protoss anymore cause i know i would have tons of trouble with this. i hope people can find a way around this build before blizzard has to change something, if they need too. ZvZ is what was mentioned as the coin toss ... what are the chances of two different races being a cointoss? Um,.. let me answer that, absolutely negligible. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:50 DertoQq wrote: better on 3 gaz like incontrol said or 2 gaz ? Two gas is just fine, you they go for a 2 port banshee you'll be needing three, but any standard 1/1/1 is survivable with 2 gas. The build is heavily focused on having a LOT of zealots and few stalker and only a couple sentrys. | ||
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To3-Knee
Canada100 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:40 Cyrak wrote: You need that money for units or they're going to easily siege you up and kill your natural. So what's a good response to cloaked banshees that are possible when a terran player goes 1/1/1? Puma attacked MC with a cloaked banshee before his push in his first IEM game. It seems like you can't really scout the research of scout so you are stuck either blind countering with some detection or you risk dying from cloaked banshee. If there are no detectors out, the loss mining time/loss of probes means you will not be able to hold the push at all since he'll reinforce much stronger than toss can with their wrecked economy. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:38 To3-Knee wrote: Not entirely related, but say a toss goes stargate opener and scouts a 1/1/1. What is the proper response? Forge + cannon at main and natural immediately? Is it fast enough to stop a cloaked banshee attack that usually comes before the 2 tank push? If you scout with your first two Phoenix, and see the Techlab researching, throw down a Robo. You're going to need mobile detection anyway if he actually gets Cloak, while a Forge and Cannons won't help you defend the push itself at all. You need to constantly check if he cancelled the Cloak too. If he does, you can cancel the Robo and continue making Gateway units and Phoenix, or you can let it finish and get 1-2 Immortals. Not entirely sure which is better in general, it depends on his specific unit mix. | ||
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ProxyZooZ
United States53 Posts
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Aletheia27
United States267 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:53 ProxyZooZ wrote: ZvZ is what was mentioned as the coin toss ... what are the chances of two different races being a cointoss? Um,.. let me answer that, absolutely negligible. ZvZ is a cointoss? Better tell nestea he's been playing the matchup wrong. | ||
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ProxyZooZ
United States53 Posts
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PPTouch
99 Posts
On August 24 2011 10:11 ProxyZooZ wrote: did i mention that cannons is best defense structure in the game ... hands down no contest you underestimate the power of the planetary fortress combatex would be disapponted with you | ||
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ProxyZooZ
United States53 Posts
On August 24 2011 10:11 Aletheia27 wrote: ZvZ is a cointoss? Better tell nestea he's been playing the matchup wrong. it was mentioned as a coin toss ("it was called a cointoss" by idra btw) and I never agreed with that statement btw. Nestea has adapted his play since that statement due to changes to the zerg race .. and i would cuss you out right now if i could cause you are trolling | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On August 24 2011 10:11 ProxyZooZ wrote: did i mention that cannons is best defense structure in the game ... hands down no contest They're not so good against siege tanks though which is what this all-in incorporates. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On August 24 2011 10:11 ProxyZooZ wrote: did i mention that cannons is best defense structure in the game ... hands down no contest Best for what? Spines and Bunkers are strictly superior at defending frontal attacks. You could argue that cannons are better for defending expos against harassment, but a PF with turrets is better at doing that too. They're also quite bad against Terran drops and Mutalisks. They're versatile enough for the constantly gas starved PvZ Toss to plant them at outlying expos, but don't see much play in PvP and TvP. My most recent piece of wisdom about Cannons, is that having 4 of them around the mineral line isn't enough to stop 4 Hellions from killing 20 Probes. | ||
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ProxyZooZ
United States53 Posts
On August 24 2011 10:19 Toadvine wrote: Best for what? Spines and Bunkers are strictly superior at defending frontal attacks. You could argue that cannons are better for defending expos against harassment, but a PF with turrets is better at doing that too. They're also quite bad against Terran drops and Mutalisks. They're versatile enough for the constantly gas starved PvZ Toss to plant them at outlying expos, but don't see much play in PvP and TvP. My most recent piece of wisdom about Cannons, is that having 4 of them around the mineral line isn't enough to stop 4 Hellions from killing 20 Probes. Versatile proves my point, call me a man who cherishes nonspecializing (but that only makes me more human... and better at strats providing how little info we all get T.T) | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6230 Posts
On August 24 2011 10:11 ProxyZooZ wrote: did i mention that cannons is best defense structure in the game ... hands down no contest They're actually pretty awful against everything, dude. Their advantage is their versatility; they shoot both air and ground, and detect. That's pretty much it. They can't be salvaged like bunkers, or moved like spines and spores, and they have less dps than any of the other true static D. Plus they can be depowered. They have their uses, but there's no way you can declare they're the best as if it's axiomatic. | ||
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To3-Knee
Canada100 Posts
On August 24 2011 10:09 ProxyZooZ wrote: How in hell does an observer wreck your economy ... a robo bay can always be beneficial in the early game as long as you make the proper units (and observers scout btw). Observers cost very little minerals so if anything is destroyed it is your army and not your economy ... /or just build hallucination if you are to kewl for a robo bay You misread, did you read the whole post at all? Observer isn't going to wreck your economy. A cloaked banshee with no observer or cannons is going to wreck your economy. | ||
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