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Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
August 18 2011 21:12 GMT
#141
If support by Blizzard means tournaments like Blizzcon stuff with their horrible map pool I actually don't want any more of that.
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Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
August 18 2011 21:12 GMT
#142
If Sc2 was free to play, I doubt many more people would be playing it. It's just not casual friendly. Blizzard got their money when you purchased the game, I don't think they care at all how many people are playing it. Activision/Blizzard will probably never truly support and advertise their competitive scene, doesn't give them enough money (which is all they care about pretty much). Not that I blame them, they are a business.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
August 18 2011 21:15 GMT
#143
OP has a point. The Battle.net client imbedded into SC2 would open a lot people's eyes if all the big tourneys, showings, etc were shown just by logging into the game. Now wouldn't that be something special? It's true.

Instead there's really not a whole lot to see.
Canada
Keifru
Profile Joined November 2010
United States179 Posts
August 18 2011 21:15 GMT
#144
On August 19 2011 05:07 Narfinger wrote:
Other points:
As far as I know the Dota 2 stuff was horrible. Audio quality abissimal, constant lag und drops. And of course commentators who are pro Dota players commentating for pro Dota players. I at least had a horrible experience. Starting with hero select screen, which I didn't recognize, no audio and the little audio there was, didn't help me at all to understand what was going on.

The audio has improved (still pretty bad imo though), and while there isn't a list of champions in-game as they choose, its a 1:1 port of DotA so WYSIWYG. You can check hero specifics below the game stream (I remember it having little descriptions of the heroes and such)

As to the lag/drops, that was not because of the game/client. It was because they weren't prepared to handle 2.7million viewers. That's why after awhile all but the english streams were shut down, and some people were split onto Own3d streams as well.
Conflict is the gadfly of thought. It stirs us to observation and memory. It instigates us to invention. It shocks us out of sheeplike passivity, and sets us at noting and contriving. - John Dewey
D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
August 18 2011 21:15 GMT
#145
On August 19 2011 06:12 Pufftrees wrote:
If Sc2 was free to play, I doubt many more people would be playing it. It's just not casual friendly. Blizzard got their money when you purchased the game, I don't think they care at all how many people are playing it. Activision/Blizzard will probably never truly support and advertise their competitive scene, doesn't give them enough money (which is all they care about pretty much). Not that I blame them, they are a business.


But SC2 is free to play, via Starter Edition.
Canada
mrafaeldie12
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil537 Posts
August 18 2011 21:17 GMT
#146
The thing is,blizzard already has our money.
"..it all comes thumbling down thumbling down thumblin down"
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32159 Posts
August 18 2011 21:18 GMT
#147
On August 19 2011 05:04 Aurdon wrote:
Simply answer. Blizzard doesn't have to do more.

With their two eSports titles SC2 and WoW(yeah I know), Blizzard is the undisputed champion of their genres. No other titles even come close to these titles in respect to fanbase, sales, or sheer rabid enthusiasm for these games.

The other companies do not dominate their genres. Valve and Riot are gearing up for a no holds barred battle for the hearts and minds of gamers in the MOBA genre. They are throwing around tons of money to gain publicity and market share in a very competitive market. That's why they are pouring tons of money into the scene.

Blizzard doesn't have to pour money into the scene. People are knocking down their door to play their games.


This is the main reason. Like promoting major tournies on their site and in game seems like a low effort, low cost thing, but beyond that, why sink money into it?

Blizzard gains little. No amount of money is going to spur a sizable enough rush to buy the game (the main revenue stream). Increasing the prize pool isn't going to sudden cause a ton of large, $5k pool+ tournies to come up so they can get income through the advertising sharing.
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dLKnighT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada735 Posts
August 18 2011 21:18 GMT
#148
The word is doesn't*.
Znoz
Profile Joined January 2011
Latvia127 Posts
August 18 2011 21:21 GMT
#149
And don't look at amount of players watching or playing game - it will not make your game worse or other game better.
Btw i remember wc3 time, when words "go play dota noob" was like taunt on player with bad game and micro control. Sometimes i think that f2p Moba games are like filters, that take players who don't like hard games. And i don't remember any of my friends, who came from dota to wc3, not from wc3 to dota... so, play sc2 , be 1337 :3
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
August 18 2011 21:29 GMT
#150
Tychus' face on the post log in screen. Its important.
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LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 21:34:53
August 18 2011 21:29 GMT
#151
You just have to ask yourself, is it better for a child to stand without the help from their parents or a child who is spoon fed and held up every step of the way from their parents.

but i do think you have a good point. however i think it's better for the community to do these things.
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
August 18 2011 21:33 GMT
#152
On August 19 2011 03:12 Jerokar wrote:
Additionally, they provide NEXT TO NO INFORMATION or advertisement for ongoing major tournaments.

Er...

http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/blog/3336786#blog
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3348312#blog
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3263879#blog

etc. etc.

Also, for their Battle.net NA Invitational, they had Day[9] and JP commentate, consequently cross-promoting both MLG and day9.tv...

Sure, Blizzard might not be promoting IEM, but to say they provide next to no information/advertisement for ongoing major tournaments is patently untrue. They might not cover everything, but whatever.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
Narfinger
Profile Joined April 2011
53 Posts
August 18 2011 21:35 GMT
#153
On August 19 2011 06:15 Keifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 05:07 Narfinger wrote:
Other points:
As far as I know the Dota 2 stuff was horrible. Audio quality abissimal, constant lag und drops. And of course commentators who are pro Dota players commentating for pro Dota players. I at least had a horrible experience. Starting with hero select screen, which I didn't recognize, no audio and the little audio there was, didn't help me at all to understand what was going on.

The audio has improved (still pretty bad imo though), and while there isn't a list of champions in-game as they choose, its a 1:1 port of DotA so WYSIWYG. You can check hero specifics below the game stream (I remember it having little descriptions of the heroes and such)

As to the lag/drops, that was not because of the game/client. It was because they weren't prepared to handle 2.7million viewers. That's why after awhile all but the english streams were shut down, and some people were split onto Own3d streams as well.

I just want to reply to this shortly, even if this is slightly offtopic.
Yeah they could have improved it but the first impression is always the one that last. Furthermore, I have no clue about the genre at all. I did never play Dota, LoL or HoN. And my simple question is: Why didn't they want me in their Dota2 boat? Is this big tournament only for the people who will anyway switch? I guess so.
But I should mention, I am not really interested in this game. I had an evening to spent and looked if this is perhaps something interesting to watch.
I am a noob, don't listen to me.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 18 2011 21:38 GMT
#154
bw did sooooooooooooo well in korea without help from blizzard. bw scene at its prime was bigger than all of current esports put together.

now blizzard has ties with all of broadcasts and whatnot and because of that i guess its not as good as it can be

get out blizzard!

:3
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
August 18 2011 21:41 GMT
#155
On August 19 2011 06:12 Pufftrees wrote:
If Sc2 was free to play, I doubt many more people would be playing it. It's just not casual friendly. Blizzard got their money when you purchased the game, I don't think they care at all how many people are playing it. Activision/Blizzard will probably never truly support and advertise their competitive scene, doesn't give them enough money (which is all they care about pretty much). Not that I blame them, they are a business.

W-what? SC2 has a "casual" mode for their single-player campaign (which is easy as balls to complete), a lot of easy-to-achieve achievements, many community-made (and now even some Blizzard-made) custom games for casuals, and even their competitive ladder is designed to give players an even match, no matter their skill level.

The only non-casual part of SC2 is attempting to reach the top of the ladder, which is the most competitive aspect that the game delivers. You can't have "casual competitive" -- that doesn't even make sense. If that isn't your cup of tea, there's a billion other casual aspects to SC2 that you can enjoy. o_O

As for supporting and advertising the SC2 competitive scene, Blizzard is a direct partner for the GSL (notice their logo over everything), the SC2 blog posts I linked to in my previous post, and even the Battle.net Invitational, which includes prize pools just for the regional qualifiers.

You guys aren't making any sense to me.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
August 18 2011 21:46 GMT
#156
On August 19 2011 06:38 jinorazi wrote:
bw did sooooooooooooo well in korea without help from blizzard. bw scene at its prime was bigger than all of current esports put together.

now blizzard has ties with all of broadcasts and whatnot and because of that i guess its not as good as it can be

get out blizzard!

:3

Compare the popularity of the SC2 pro-scene right now compared to one year after SC1 was released. I'll give you three guesses as to which one is bigger, and the first two don't count.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
August 18 2011 21:50 GMT
#157
LoL is not steady like SC. When they first started SC1 i don't think prize pool is big at all. But look at the growth of esport and SC2, I think it's better to grow this way. But a lil bigger prize pools can make it more interesting
rawrjaaaaay
Profile Joined March 2011
United States426 Posts
August 18 2011 21:51 GMT
#158
I think it's because Blizzard doesn't really need to put their own money into it because it's already become incredibly popular. The eSports of Starcraft 2 is arguably better than LoL's and HoN's, so why should Blizzard need to put any more into the scene. Maybe in the coming years if the MOBA games start taking over eSports, and leave Starcraft 2 behind (which I don't think will happen), then Blizzard will put in their own money. As of now, it's not necessary.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
August 18 2011 21:52 GMT
#159
They are already organising a tournament for it (huge prizes, amazing casters,etc. ) which I feel is already alot.You have to remember that this isn't their only game and that they aren't trying to create a competitive scene, so this isn't as important to them as it is to Riot/Valve. Hence I think they should do a little more but not too much, simply because they have other things to promote.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 18 2011 21:54 GMT
#160
On August 19 2011 06:46 stormfoxSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 06:38 jinorazi wrote:
bw did sooooooooooooo well in korea without help from blizzard. bw scene at its prime was bigger than all of current esports put together.

now blizzard has ties with all of broadcasts and whatnot and because of that i guess its not as good as it can be

get out blizzard!

:3

Compare the popularity of the SC2 pro-scene right now compared to one year after SC1 was released. I'll give you three guesses as to which one is bigger, and the first two don't count.


are you seriously making that comparison?

hmmm how about, how long would sc2 needed to take off if there was no bw pro scene?
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